August 8th, 2013 IRC Meeting - Revision history

Jokeefe at 03:26, 2 February 2018

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	== Participants ==		== Participants ==

	* Bluestreak, Lucia Fiero~~, Medway~~		* Bluestreak, Lucia Fiero
	* Igel, William Fleurant, Arlington		* Igel, William Fleurant, Arlington
	* jokeefe, James O'Keefe, Somerville		* jokeefe, James O'Keefe, Somerville
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	[9:16pm] jokeefe: Agenda at http://masspirates.org/wiki/August_8th,_2013_IRC_Meeting		[9:16pm] jokeefe: Agenda at http://masspirates.org/wiki/August_8th,_2013_IRC_Meeting
	[9:16pm] Bluestreak: I am in Medford		[9:16pm] Bluestreak: I am in Medford
	[9:16pm] Bluestreak: Lucia Fiero ~~Medway~~/Medford		[9:16pm] Bluestreak: Lucia Fiero REDACTED/Medford
	[9:16pm] jokeefe: how was the security talk, Bluestreak? And thanks for going to it!		[9:16pm] jokeefe: how was the security talk, Bluestreak? And thanks for going to it!
	[9:17pm] Igel- left the chat room. (Quit: Bye)		[9:17pm] Igel- left the chat room. (Quit: Bye)

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	* ANONinMASS		* ANONinMASS
			* JCFiero
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Jokeefe at 02:18, 9 August 2013

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	[10:17pm] jokeefe: any objections?		[10:17pm] jokeefe: any objections?
	[10:17pm] kit: nope		[10:17pm] kit: nope
			[10:17pm] gregg: kit: very well stated
			[10:17pm] gregg: interesting perspective
			[10:18pm] jokeefe: ok, we are done for the evening. thanks all!

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	[10:11pm] kit: a similar (and actually harder) issue is what happens if you say "corporations have no constitutional rights"		[10:11pm] kit: a similar (and actually harder) issue is what happens if you say "corporations have no constitutional rights"
	[10:11pm] kit: It would be totally reasonable to have a regime where that's true, and corporations have rights given to them by statute only		[10:11pm] kit: It would be totally reasonable to have a regime where that's true, and corporations have rights given to them by statute only
			[10:12pm] kit: but at present, we rely on the constitution for some corporate rights that are actually useful, like twitter's ability to challenge a subpoena for your information
			[10:12pm] kit: or the ACLU's ability not to have its files searched willy-nilly
			[10:13pm] kit: finally, as far as I know it's been the US Supreme Court applying the federal constitution to strike down anti-corruption laws, so I don't know that amending the Mass constitution would help
			[10:13pm] jokeefe: yes, since it was a Federal law clerk who made corps. people to begin with
			[10:14pm] jokeefe: <vastly simplifying>
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			[10:14pm] jokeefe: so basically, we need to think long and hard about this proposed amendment
			[10:15pm] kit: Those are the things I wanted to say. I really care a lot about the $ in politics issue, but had to stop working with some orgs that were reckless in their amendment language
			[10:15pm] jokeefe: thanks for the perspective, kit.
			[10:15pm] srevilak joined the chat room.
			[10:15pm] kit: yes, think carefully about the language, but I also don't yet see the case for changing the _state_ constitution
			[10:15pm] Mars left the chat room. (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
			[10:16pm] jokeefe: but, we are past our time, and it is time to adjourn. motion to adjourn, any seconds?
			[10:16pm] Kendra: second
			[10:16pm] gregg: seconds
			[10:16pm] mashe: seconded
			[10:17pm] srevilak: aye
			[10:17pm] jokeefe: any objections?
			[10:17pm] kit: nope

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	[9:54pm] jokeefe: BTW: I recommend - The Non-Designer's Design Book by Robin Williams		[9:54pm] jokeefe: BTW: I recommend - The Non-Designer's Design Book by Robin Williams
	[9:55pm] jokeefe: anyone know of a media list we could start ours off of?		[9:55pm] jokeefe: anyone know of a media list we could start ours off of?
			[9:56pm] srevilak: http://wiki.occupyboston.org/wiki/List_of_National_Media_Contacts
			[9:56pm] JCFiero: no... started making a small alternaive media list for Bluestreak before the Cam thing but never got very far
			[9:57pm] jokeefe: thanks, srevilak
			[9:58pm] srevilak: jokeefe: they're all national, but maybe we can grow into them
			[9:58pm] jokeefe: Bluestreak / JCFiero - if I send you the ones I have, would you compile a list with what srevilak gave and what you have?
			[10:00pm] JCFiero: <jokeefe> ok assuming you have quite a good list of local MSM contacts..
			[10:00pm] jokeefe: it is a start
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			[10:01pm] jokeefe: hi passstab
			[10:01pm] passstab: hi jokeefe
			[10:02pm] jokeefe: pass stab, you in PA right?
			[10:02pm] jokeefe: dang autocorrect
			[10:03pm] Bluestreak: OK guys... I am going to sign off, if you don't mind. Thanks for attending JCFiero I hope you can stay until the end!
			[10:03pm] Bluestreak: Goodnight, all.
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			[10:03pm] JCFiero: nite bb
			[10:04pm] passstab: jokeefe, correct
			[10:04pm] jokeefe: do you know Mars?
			[10:04pm] passstab: um, hi Mars ?
			[10:05pm] jokeefe: Mars is also in PA
			[10:05pm] Kendra: nite
			[10:05pm] jokeefe: just making introductions
			[10:05pm] jokeefe: that is pretty much what I have on the agenda since we need to find people to lead up tasks
			[10:05pm] jokeefe: anything else folks want to bring up?
			[10:05pm] passstab: Mars, #papp
			[10:06pm] kit: did the passmassamendment discussion happen?
			[10:07pm] jokeefe: is Terra here?
			[10:07pm] jokeefe: or are you familiar with it?
			[10:07pm] passstab: jokeefe, thanks
			[10:08pm] jokeefe: yr welcome
			[10:08pm] kit: I am familiar with the constitutional issues at the federal level and I have concerns about the proposed amendment
			[10:09pm] kit: You have to be really careful about this stuff, where you're changing fundamental elements of the bill of rights
			[10:09pm] kit: Eventually people came up with reasonable things, like the Sanders amendment
			[10:09pm] jokeefe: here is the proposed amendment if folks want to read it - http://passmassamendment.wikispaces.com/The+Language
			[10:09pm] kit: but if you just say "money is not free speech, the legislature can regulate it without constitutional safeguards" ... you have issues
			[10:10pm] kit: an extreme case being a law saying you can only donate to incumbents, or to the two major parties
			[10:10pm] kit: you need to build in content and viewpoint neutrality
			[10:10pm] jokeefe: very good point
			[10:11pm] kit: a similar (and actually harder) issue is what happens if you say "corporations have no constitutional rights"
			[10:11pm] kit: It would be totally reasonable to have a regime where that's true, and corporations have rights given to them by statute only

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	[9:34pm] jokeefe: great, JCFiero		[9:34pm] jokeefe: great, JCFiero
	[9:34pm] JCFiero: hi K		[9:34pm] JCFiero: hi K
			[9:35pm] Igel: arright.
			[9:35pm] jokeefe: JCFiero / lgel, think we can get the areas sorted out by next Thursday?
			[9:38pm] JCFiero: can try ... should be well into it..
			[9:38pm] jokeefe: thanks
			[9:38pm] Bluestreak: Jason will be home next week
			[9:38pm] Bluestreak: I will help make sure it gets doe
			[9:38pm] Bluestreak: done
			[9:38pm] jokeefe: BTW: Looks like SilentMail is closing as well - http://silentcircle.wordpress.com/2013/08/09/to-our-customers/
			[9:38pm] jokeefe: thanks, Bluestreak
			[9:39pm] jokeefe: i'll talk with js0000 about setting up the voter reg app
			[9:39pm] Igel: hi kit
			[9:39pm] JCFiero: are they being threatened with injunctions/penalties if they refuse to turn over data/encryption keys etc. to the govt?
			[9:39pm] jokeefe: 3.7 Min materials for College Groups - what do we need to add?
			[9:40pm] jokeefe: no, JCFiero - they are being preemptive
			[9:40pm] JCFiero: ok.
			[9:40pm] jokeefe: SMTP sends in plain text.
			[9:41pm] jokeefe: though contents can be encrypted - PGP as srevilak will show us
			[9:43pm] Igel: some clients are lame too -- they keep your IP address/computername in the message (mozilla thunderbird)...
			[9:43pm] Igel: dunno... i couldnt figure a way to prevent that.
			[9:44pm] srevilak: Igel: first received header will contain your public IP. No way to get around that, aside from using an anonymizer
			[9:44pm] srevilak: Nothing any MUA can do about that
			[9:45pm] Igel: Shidash: the boston globe reporter was asking about getting pgp set up... so she would never reveal sources etc.
			[9:45pm] jokeefe: materials for College Groups - what do we need to add? we have fliers, sign up sheets - http://masspirates.org/blog/help-build-the-party/organize/
			[9:45pm] Shidash: lgel: What boston globe reporter?
			[9:46pm] Igel: at transparency toolkit talk... she was accross from me?
			[9:46pm] Shidash: lgel: Do you mean the NECIR reporter?
			[9:46pm] Igel: ooh, way off.
			[9:46pm] Bluestreak: Magiie
			[9:46pm] Bluestreak: Mulvelhille
			[9:46pm] Bluestreak: Maggioe Mulvvehill
			[9:46pm] Bluestreak: was her name
			[9:46pm] Shidash: I'll help her get PGP setup. She needs more than PGP, she needs stuff for storing documents too
			[9:46pm] Bluestreak: Maggie Mulvehill
			[9:46pm] Bluestreak: Dinking only coffee... really
			[9:47pm] JCFiero: Scrumpy here...8)
			[9:47pm] Igel: yeah she did mention that...
			[9:48pm] Igel: hmmph. alright off topic but yeah
			[9:49pm] jokeefe: anyone recommend graphic designers, besides those we know about?
			[9:50pm] Igel: i look forward to it... i use mailx all the time..
			[9:50pm] JCFiero: graphic designers for?..
			[9:50pm] Bluestreak: Blue said she was happy to help
			[9:50pm] Bluestreak: anytime
			[9:50pm] Bluestreak: <3
			[9:50pm] Igel: the more graphic designers the better
			[9:50pm] JCFiero: yea.. Gregg Grubb might lend a hand if I ask nicely
			[9:51pm] srevilak: jokeefe: graphic designers for flyers and such?
			[9:51pm] kit: At Berkman we've been thinking of doing a legal / technical resource for journalists to protect their info and sources. We have a legal referral network of attorneys willing to help out for free or reduced fees. Is there anything like that for technologists?
			[9:51pm] Bluestreak: jpokeefe JCFiero Doc says "Hi!"
			[9:51pm] kit: the referral network, I mean
			[9:51pm] Bluestreak: Off topic sry
			[9:51pm] jokeefe: agreed lgel, the more the better
			[9:52pm] jokeefe: yes, srevilak
			[9:52pm] jokeefe: good idea kit
			[9:52pm] srevilak: jokeefe: I may know someone. Will talk to her next week
			[9:52pm] mashe: I can recommend a graphic designr or two
			[9:52pm] jokeefe: Hi, back to Doc, Bluestreak
			[9:52pm] Igel: same
			[9:53pm] jokeefe: mashe, srevilak, please ask if they are willing to help. many hands make light work, after all
			[9:54pm] jokeefe: BTW: I recommend - The Non-Designer's Design Book by Robin Williams
			[9:55pm] jokeefe: anyone know of a media list we could start ours off of?

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			[9:02pm] jokeefe: agenda at http://masspirates.org/wiki/August_8th,_2013_IRC_Meeting
			[9:02pm] jokeefe: starting with ids
			[9:02pm] jokeefe: Jamie O'Keefe, Somerville
			[9:03pm] gregg: Gregg Housh, Malden
			[9:03pm] srevilak: Steve Revilak, presently in Brooklyn
			[9:03pm] jokeefe: BTW: here is the video os srevilak at the BRICnic last Sunday - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2HJMSwIlcE&feature=youtu.be&t=510
			[9:04pm] srevilak: will I be embarrassed to watch it?
			[9:04pm] gregg: fyi, I will not know anything about my availability for the next couple weeks until tomorrow
			[9:04pm] gregg: my mom had a heart attack late last night and is still in the ICU in Dallas
			[9:04pm] gregg: so I might have to go down there
			[9:04pm] srevilak: gregg: sorry to hear
			[9:05pm] gregg: That and lavabit have made today a stressful day.
			[9:05pm] jokeefe: oh man, very sorry to hear it. Hope she makes a swift recovery
			[9:05pm] Igel- joined the chat room.
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			[9:05pm] jokeefe: hi lgel
			[9:05pm] Igel-: Yaar
			[9:06pm] Igel-: ...on the Droid
			[9:06pm] Mars: M Williams - currently: PA
			[9:06pm] jokeefe: not sure srevilak, just got it. hopefully not since I was going to post it to the blog.
			[9:06pm] jokeefe: Ok, so a subset of the upcoming events is up on the agenda
			[9:07pm] Igel-: Hey J... What's up
			[9:07pm] jokeefe: agenda at http://masspirates.org/wiki/August_8th,_2013_IRC_Meeting
			[9:07pm] srevilak: jokeefe: sure, go ahead and put it up
			[9:08pm] mashe: Marc Shepard, MA
			[9:08pm] jokeefe: we have been asked to do a cryptoparty and propose 1-2 workshops at Digital Media Conference in October. so keep in mind workshop/panel ideas
			[9:09pm] jokeefe: we need people to work the table at Freedom Rally, 9/14 & 15
			[9:10pm] Shidash: M. C. McGrath, Boston
			[9:10pm] jokeefe: srevilak - you are talking with MM about the videos this weekend, yes?
			[9:10pm] mashe: I can commit me +1 both days for the freedom rally.
			[9:11pm] srevilak: jokeefe: out of town this weekend. So, following weekend
			[9:11pm] jokeefe: ok, thanks, srevilak
			[9:11pm] jokeefe: Thanks mashe. Bluelustreak is going and I can make Sunday at least. Will put a post up soon.
			[9:11pm] Igel-: 2days ... Thats a first
			[9:11pm] jokeefe: yes, hope it works out.
			[9:12pm] jokeefe: August Tasks
			[9:12pm] jokeefe: - Research what qualifies as an acceptable signature and other ballot access requirements - anyone willing to do some research?
			[9:13pm] gregg: Tallyfox will be completed and ready for us to start using tomorrow btw.
			[9:13pm] gregg: ill get people setup with accounts then.
			[9:13pm] Kendra joined the chat room.
			[9:14pm] srevilak: howdy, Kendra
			[9:14pm] jokeefe: thanks gregg. hi Kendra
			[9:14pm] Kendra: Hi
			[9:14pm] jokeefe: So that answers Research DB & Community Site
			[9:15pm] jokeefe: Kendra, any luck getting a list of the colleges in Mass. and what their requirements are to start a Pirate group?
			[9:15pm] Bluestreak joined the chat room.
			[9:15pm] jokeefe: hi Bluestreak
			[9:15pm] Bluestreak: Hey
			[9:15pm] Kendra: Can I mail you something sometime tomorrow. I am out of time.
			[9:15pm] Kendra: Out of town that is.
			[9:16pm] jokeefe: Great, thanks, Kendra!
			[9:16pm] jokeefe: Agenda at http://masspirates.org/wiki/August_8th,_2013_IRC_Meeting
			[9:16pm] Bluestreak: I am in Medford
			[9:16pm] Bluestreak: Lucia Fiero Medway/Medford
			[9:16pm] jokeefe: how was the security talk, Bluestreak? And thanks for going to it!
			[9:17pm] Igel- left the chat room. (Quit: Bye)
			[9:17pm] Igel: re
			[9:17pm] Bluestreak: Awesome
			[9:17pm] Bluestreak: I asked to speak for a few minutes and they were happy to accomodates
			[9:17pm] Bluestreak: me
			[9:18pm] Bluestreak: I let everyone know that we have crypotparties
			[9:18pm] Bluestreak: (Im at a starbucks)
			[9:18pm] Bluestreak: and EVERYOEN took flyers
			[9:18pm] Bluestreak: there was like 70 ppl there
			[9:18pm] Bluestreak: They were all interested
			[9:19pm] srevilak: Bluestreak: that's great
			[9:19pm] Bluestreak: I made them laugh. Basically I killed. Enough info?
			[9:19pm] jokeefe: fantastic!
			[9:20pm] jokeefe: Has JCFiero talked with js0000 about making a district map of Mass?
			[9:22pm] Igel: i can scrape google for all edu/location/other in mass.
			[9:22pm] JCFiero joined the chat room.
			[9:22pm] jokeefe: that would be most helpful, lgel. When would you be able to do it?
			[9:23pm] Igel: now,
			[9:23pm] jokeefe: perfect. did you see http://nces.ed.gov/globallocator/ ?
			[9:23pm] gregg: also
			[9:23pm] gregg: http://www.univsource.com/ma.htm
			[9:24pm] JCFiero: hi, I must have been booted.. I have a poor connection. you asked about MassGIS?..this is Jason Fiero in NJ atm
			[9:24pm] Igel: oh... this is it.
			[9:24pm] jokeefe: lgel, nces.ed.gov gets a lot more things that would be useful to know about. say if we want to have meetings in libraries.
			[9:25pm] jokeefe: I would only grab places that are grades 9 and above, though.
			[9:26pm] jokeefe: JCFiero, yes MassGIS
			[9:26pm] JCFiero: yea, I didn't see your question I was disconnected
			[9:27pm] JCFiero: I've checked it out and it seems to have the reources/data layers in question so that I can work with David to divide the State into 7 areas for us to manage
			[9:28pm] Igel: is there an overlay of districts ?
			[9:28pm] JCFiero: then we can tie that to the universities and decide what schools to target .. other than the obvious ones
			[9:28pm] JCFiero: \yea
			[9:28pm] Igel: i can make a google map overlay or use geoip...
			[9:29pm] JCFiero: they have data layers for everything ..
			[9:29pm] jokeefe: that would be great, lgel
			[9:29pm] jokeefe: JCFiero - 9 areas would be a good start, easily divides into 27
			[9:29pm] jokeefe: can be divided into 27
			[9:29pm] JCFiero: ok 9 then
			[9:30pm] jokeefe: thanks
			[9:30pm] Igel: JCFiero: can i email you so i can contrib to this
			[9:31pm] jokeefe: JCFiero / lgel, you know how to contact each other?
			[9:31pm] JCFiero: aye
			[9:33pm] kit joined the chat room.
			[9:33pm] srevilak: ahoy, kit
			[9:33pm] kit: (ahoy everyone)
			[9:34pm] jokeefe: ahoy kit!
			[9:34pm] Mars: hey kit
			[9:34pm] jokeefe: great, JCFiero
			[9:34pm] JCFiero: hi K

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	## 8/24 CryptoParty, 1pm - 3pm - [http://www.encuentro5.org e5], Boston - 9 Hamilton Place at Park st next to the Orpheum		## 8/24 CryptoParty, 1pm - 3pm - [http://www.encuentro5.org e5], Boston - 9 Hamilton Place at Park st next to the Orpheum
	## Freedom Rally, September 14 & 15 - Need organizers, announcement for volunteers		## Freedom Rally, September 14 & 15 - Need organizers, announcement for volunteers
			## Constitution Day Speakout, September 17, Boston
	# Post-convention tasks		# Post-convention tasks
	# August Tasks http://piratenpad.de/SKwdoMqk26		# August Tasks http://piratenpad.de/SKwdoMqk26

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	# August Tasks http://piratenpad.de/SKwdoMqk26		# August Tasks http://piratenpad.de/SKwdoMqk26
	## Research what qualifies as an acceptable signature and other ballot access requirements		## Research what qualifies as an acceptable signature and other ballot access requirements
	## Research DB (Gregg)		## Research DB & Community Site (Gregg)
	## Get a list of the colleges in Mass. and what their requirements are to start a Pirate group (Kendra)		## Get a list of the colleges in Mass. and what their requirements are to start a Pirate group (Kendra)
	## Identify dates and requirements for 2014 Town & 2013 City elections		## Identify dates and requirements for 2014 Town & 2013 City elections

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	## Develop draft platform / planks		## Develop draft platform / planks
	## Media strategy		## Media strategy
			# [http://passmassamendment.wikispaces.com/The+Language PassMassAmendment]
	== Participants ==		== Participants ==