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<p>Created page with &quot;== Agenda == 1. SOPA/PIPA/oh my 2. Pirate Conference in February == Quick Notes / Summaries Re Proposed Bills to be Discussed: == None == Attending == * jokeefe - James O...&quot;</p> <p><b>New page</b></p><div>== Agenda ==<br /> <br /> 1. SOPA/PIPA/oh my<br /> <br /> 2. Pirate Conference in February<br /> <br /> == Quick Notes / Summaries Re Proposed Bills to be Discussed: ==<br /> <br /> None<br /> <br /> == Attending ==<br /> <br /> * jokeefe - James O'Keefe, Somerville<br /> * Occupationally<br /> * kate_m<br /> * SplendidSpoon<br /> * GenKreton<br /> <br /> == Summary ==<br /> <br /> 1. SOPA/PIPA/oh my. Action items are:<br /> <br /> a. Summarize to six points<br /> b. Update links in the site to simplify getting to our anti-Net censorship page<br /> c. Get new posters designed<br /> d. Get fliers designed<br /> e. Teach more people to speak out about these laws<br /> f. Get folks on radio and tv<br /> g. hand out flyers?<br /> <br /> 2. Pirate Conference in February<br /> <br /> a. we need to invite sympathetic groups<br /> b. Topics include the kind of stuff we were talking about for the pirate picnic last year<br /> <br /> == Meeting Minutes ==<br /> <br /> &lt;nowiki&gt;<br /> [21:28] == jokeefe [d1062906@gateway/web/freenode/ip.209.6.41.6] has joined #masspirates<br /> [21:28] == mode/#masspirates [+ns] by rowling.freenode.net<br /> [21:36] == Occupationally [3285f613@gateway/web/freenode/ip.50.133.246.19] has joined #masspirates<br /> [21:36] &lt;Occupationally&gt; well well, quite the rowdy room<br /> [21:37] &lt;@jokeefe&gt; hi!<br /> [21:38] &lt;@jokeefe&gt; people trickle in<br /> [21:38] &lt;Occupationally&gt; :)<br /> [21:40] &lt;@jokeefe&gt; how are things?<br /> [21:45] == kate_m [ad30c148@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.48.193.72] has joined #masspirates<br /> [21:45] &lt;kate_m&gt; hey guys<br /> [21:45] &lt;kate_m&gt; I am sick as hell right now, so sorry if I ramble or vanish<br /> [21:46] &lt;Occupationally&gt; Hello<br /> [21:47] &lt;@jokeefe&gt; no problem, getting under the weather myself<br /> [21:48] &lt;@jokeefe&gt; The agenda is SOPA/PIPA/oh my and the Pirate Conference in Feb<br /> [21:48] == SplendidSpoon [~lpespisa@pool-71-174-55-152.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #masspirates<br /> [21:48] &lt;@jokeefe&gt; hi!<br /> [21:48] &lt;SplendidSpoon&gt; Hey sorry Im late was in shower too long 8)<br /> [21:49] &lt;@jokeefe&gt; np, in this weather it is understandable<br /> [21:49] &lt;kate_m&gt; hey splendide<br /> [21:49] &lt;SplendidSpoon&gt; Hai<br /> [21:49] &lt;@jokeefe&gt; I'll start with intro- James O'Keefe, Somerville, feel free to give what you want, since this does get logged as meeting minutes<br /> [21:50] &lt;SplendidSpoon&gt; Lauren, Boxboro<br /> [21:51] &lt;kate_m&gt; Kate, Malden<br /> [21:53] &lt;@jokeefe&gt; So the agenda is fighting SOPA, Pfc Manning/David House trials and the Pirate Conference in Feb. I put together a draft task list here - https://docs.google.com/document/d/10AFmKxwjRjpVKxm8pgxg-qFSf-P4a9mFUB3BYvTQYUg/edit?hl=en_US&amp;pli=1<br /> [21:54] &lt;kate_m&gt; Does MPP have any concrete plans for events?<br /> [21:55] &lt;kate_m&gt; I have several anons bitching at me to have something to do<br /> [21:56] &lt;@jokeefe&gt; We had our anti-PIPA rally, but haven't planning anything more yet. Having one anti-SOPA rally for every Congressperson would be good.<br /> [21:56] == GenKreton [~kreton@c-71-232-147-231.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has joined #masspirates<br /> [21:56] &lt;kate_m&gt; I think having a serious flyer run and rally scheduled somewhere would help<br /> [21:56] &lt;@jokeefe&gt; hi GenKreton<br /> [21:57] &lt;kate_m&gt; SOPA hasn't gotten any traction in the media<br /> [21:57] &lt;GenKreton&gt; SplendidSpoon: :P<br /> [21:57] &lt;SplendidSpoon&gt; Yes, more in advance too<br /> [21:57] &lt;GenKreton&gt; hi jokeefe<br /> [21:57] &lt;GenKreton&gt; SplendidSpoon: just spammed this in our occupy boston channel<br /> [21:57] &lt;SplendidSpoon&gt; Hi GenKreton, we have our weekly Mass Pirate Party meeting here<br /> [21:57] &lt;SplendidSpoon&gt; (They were discussed IP laws)<br /> [21:57] &lt;@jokeefe&gt; Yes, we were rushed on the last one and should have waited longer. Didn't know how long we would have.<br /> [21:57] &lt;SplendidSpoon&gt; It seemed relevent<br /> [21:58] &lt;@jokeefe&gt; welcome, GenKreton, feel free to id yourself as much as you feel comfortable<br /> [21:58] &lt;SplendidSpoon&gt; The vote is late January?<br /> [21:58] &lt;kate_m&gt; vote could be this week<br /> [21:59] &lt;kate_m&gt; they're keeping it all in the air like the worthless douchenozzles they are<br /> [21:59] &lt;SplendidSpoon&gt; what am I thinking of then in late Jan....<br /> [22:00] &lt;SplendidSpoon&gt; And it seems only internet-based media covers the issue<br /> [22:01] &lt;@jokeefe&gt; Senate vote is looking like it will be done by 1/24, Reid has it as the first order of business.<br /> [22:02] &lt;SplendidSpoon&gt; What if (unlikely) they make amendments<br /> [22:02] &lt;@jokeefe&gt; For the new folks, please look at the task list and see what other things we need. it is at https://docs.google.com/document/d/10AFmKxwjRjpVKxm8pgxg-qFSf-P4a9mFUB3BYvTQYUg/edit?hl=en_US&amp;pli=1<br /> [22:02] &lt;SplendidSpoon&gt; and it becomes less dangerous<br /> [22:03] &lt;SplendidSpoon&gt; Lets say every issue was hypothetically address through amendments, is it possible for this bill to not suck?<br /> [22:03] &lt;@jokeefe&gt; The OPEN bill still could be used to starve sites like wikileaks of cash.<br /> [22:03] &lt;SplendidSpoon&gt; in which case would we stop being against it? Or is it just such a train-wreck it's unlikely that'll happen?<br /> [22:04] &lt;@jokeefe&gt; DMCA went too far, anything more screws up the open internet<br /> [22:04] &lt;@jokeefe&gt; Of course, I don't think it will get watered down.<br /> [22:05] &lt;SplendidSpoon&gt; Yes probably not<br /> [22:07] &lt;@jokeefe&gt; A rally could work, but what we need is a campaign of action: people fliering, getting on the radio/tv, letters to the editor, etc.<br /> [22:07] &lt;@jokeefe&gt; I do think a rally could be part of that<br /> [22:07] &lt;kate_m&gt; I agree<br /> [22:08] &lt;kate_m&gt; I think education needs to be a priority, since most people who don't get their news from internet sources haven't even heard about SOPA yet<br /> [22:09] &lt;kate_m&gt; and even I'm not sure exactly what it covers, I just know it's a pile of bad shit<br /> [22:09] &lt;SplendidSpoon&gt; We have info packet right?<br /> [22:09] &lt;@jokeefe&gt; SOPA - http://www.masspirates.org/blog/dontcensorthenet/information-packet-for-house-members-regarding-sopa/<br /> [22:10] &lt;SplendidSpoon&gt; Yes<br /> [22:10] &lt;kate_m&gt; someone with an attention span give me a tl;dr?<br /> [22:10] &lt;kate_m&gt; my brain's not working<br /> [22:10] &lt;@jokeefe&gt; PIPA/CFSA - http://www.masspirates.org/blog/dontcensorthenet/information-packet-for-senators-regarding-pipa-and-cfsa/<br /> [22:10] &lt;@jokeefe&gt; np<br /> [22:10] &lt;SplendidSpoon&gt; Could we set up like a table somewhere<br /> [22:11] &lt;SplendidSpoon&gt; and man it and pass out copies of these and answer questions or something? I don't know I have free time coming up lol<br /> [22:13] &lt;@jokeefe&gt; of course<br /> [22:13] &lt;SplendidSpoon&gt; I have like all next week off woohho<br /> [22:13] &lt;@jokeefe&gt; cool<br /> [22:14] &lt;@jokeefe&gt; anyone know when the Senate gets back in session?<br /> [22:16] &lt;SplendidSpoon&gt; lol do they have a calender online somewhere?<br /> [22:16] &lt;SplendidSpoon&gt; (If they were Pirates they would)<br /> [22:17] &lt;kate_m&gt; http://www.senate.gov/pagelayout/legislative/one_item_and_teasers/2011_schedule.htm<br /> [22:17] &lt;kate_m&gt; dates listed are scheduled breaks<br /> [22:17] &lt;kate_m&gt; I think<br /> [22:17] &lt;SplendidSpoon&gt; that was 2011 though<br /> [22:17] &lt;kate_m&gt; it's still 2011<br /> [22:18] &lt;kate_m&gt; and there are dates in december where they should be in session<br /> [22:18] &lt;@jokeefe&gt; http://www.senate.gov/pagelayout/legislative/one_item_and_teasers/2012_schedule.htm<br /> [22:18] &lt;kate_m&gt; did they announce that they're adjourned already?<br /> [22:18] &lt;SplendidSpoon&gt; oh I see<br /> [22:18] &lt;SplendidSpoon&gt; the SOPA markup hearing adjourned<br /> [22:19] &lt;SplendidSpoon&gt; http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/updates/2896<br /> [22:19] &lt;@jokeefe&gt; Nope, Wednesday the hearing continues<br /> [22:20] &lt;SplendidSpoon&gt; oh this is old news heh<br /> [22:20] &lt;kate_m&gt; so, jokeefe<br /> [22:20] &lt;SplendidSpoon&gt; Well @EFFLive will livetweet it Im sure<br /> [22:20] &lt;kate_m&gt; do you think you could get me like 6 talking points on SOPA?<br /> [22:21] &lt;kate_m&gt; I could make up some flyers and we could link to your page on it?<br /> [22:22] &lt;@jokeefe&gt; Yes<br /> [22:22] &lt;@jokeefe&gt; there is a bullet point list at http://www.masspirates.org/blog/2011/11/16/speak-up-against-censorship-of-the-internet-today/<br /> [22:22] &lt;@jokeefe&gt; more than six<br /> [22:22] &lt;kate_m&gt; Sir, know that I am saying this with love<br /> [22:23] &lt;kate_m&gt; you suck at summarizing things<br /> [22:24] &lt;@jokeefe&gt; LOL It evolved to &quot;Don't censor the net&quot;<br /> [22:24] &lt;@jokeefe&gt; far reaching law.<br /> [22:24] &lt;kate_m&gt; yeah, I know how it is<br /> [22:24] &lt;@jokeefe&gt; I'll get you a five point summary<br /> [22:24] &lt;@jokeefe&gt; shouldn't be more than three points generally<br /> [22:25] &lt;kate_m&gt; six gives me a chance to do a series of flyers :)<br /> [22:25] &lt;@jokeefe&gt; okey dokey<br /> [22:26] &lt;kate_m&gt; but, basically we're looking at killing user-generated content and encouraging false copyright takedowns<br /> [22:26] &lt;kate_m&gt; right?<br /> [22:27] &lt;SplendidSpoon&gt; Without due process!<br /> [22:27] &lt;@jokeefe&gt; aye<br /> [22:28] &lt;kate_m&gt; &quot;Justin Bieber sang covers on You Tube and became famous. If SOPA passes, when you sing covers on You Tube you'll become a criminal.&quot;<br /> [22:28] &lt;@jokeefe&gt; all to prop up the profits of an industry that doesn't want to innovate<br /> [22:28] &lt;@jokeefe&gt; yes<br /> [22:28] &lt;@jokeefe&gt; take a look at the posters at http://www.masspirates.org/blog/2011/12/01/released-dec-6th-rally-posters/<br /> [22:29] &lt;kate_m&gt; yay posters!<br /> [22:29] &lt;SplendidSpoon&gt; I like the censored one<br /> [22:30] &lt;@jokeefe&gt; I would put up two next to one another so if one didn't catch you the other would<br /> [22:32] &lt;@jokeefe&gt; So if the Senate isn't back until the 24th and doesn't consider PIPA before that, then when should we do a rally?<br /> [22:33] &lt;kate_m&gt; I think getting on some flyering right away would be good one way or the other<br /> [22:33] &lt;kate_m&gt; if you can get people thinking about these things right before the holidays, they'll bring it up with the families at christmas<br /> [22:33] &lt;SplendidSpoon&gt; Hmmm good point<br /> [22:33] &lt;kate_m&gt; which gets more of the older, less tech-savvy crows involved in the conversation<br /> [22:33] &lt;kate_m&gt; crowd<br /> [22:34] &lt;@jokeefe&gt; anyone have a radio/tv show list?<br /> [22:34] &lt;@jokeefe&gt; I would think that getting on a few talk radio shows would help.<br /> [22:35] &lt;SplendidSpoon&gt; Yes probably<br /> [22:35] &lt;SplendidSpoon&gt; But I don't know anyone :(<br /> [22:35] &lt;kate_m&gt; gregg might be able to help<br /> [22:35] &lt;kate_m&gt; he's dealing with his virtual machines acting up at the moment<br /> [22:35] &lt;@jokeefe&gt; sorry to hear they are acting up<br /> [22:36] &lt;@jokeefe&gt; that would be great if he could suggest a few people to approach<br /> [22:38] &lt;@jokeefe&gt; So immediate action items I have are:<br /> [22:38] &lt;@jokeefe&gt; 1) Summarize to six points<br /> [22:39] &lt;@jokeefe&gt; 2) Get new posters designed<br /> [22:39] &lt;@jokeefe&gt; 3) Get fliers designed<br /> [22:39] &lt;@jokeefe&gt; 4) Teach more people to speak out about these laws<br /> [22:39] &lt;@jokeefe&gt; 5) Get folks on radio and tv<br /> [22:39] &lt;kate_m&gt; 6) hand out flyers?<br /> [22:40] == Occupationally [3285f613@gateway/web/freenode/ip.50.133.246.19] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds]<br /> [22:41] &lt;@jokeefe&gt; yes, but we are almost into XMas/New Years so not sure how many will be willing to do so. <br /> [22:41] &lt;SplendidSpoon&gt; I will be around to do so<br /> [22:41] &lt;SplendidSpoon&gt; As in hand out flyers with people and stuff<br /> [22:42] &lt;@jokeefe&gt; thanks!<br /> [22:42] &lt;@jokeefe&gt; We should encourage people hand them out, but I want to make sure we call our list and id people who can help<br /> [22:42] &lt;kate_m&gt; I'll bet we can get one flyer run organized this week<br /> [22:43] &lt;@jokeefe&gt; wonderful!<br /> [22:43] &lt;SplendidSpoon&gt; Count me in, especially next week. Can't do much Sat or Sun though hehe<br /> [22:45] &lt;@jokeefe&gt; I'll work with Henry, Jeanne and Clay about updating the posters to be focus not on a rally, but on calling their reps &amp; senators<br /> [22:45] &lt;@jokeefe&gt; kate, what do you see on the flier?<br /> [22:45] &lt;@jokeefe&gt; just the issues or what folks should do?<br /> [22:47] &lt;kate_m&gt; What I'd be doing would be make some simple, one issue quarter-sheets with a link to the MPP url<br /> [22:48] &lt;kate_m&gt; more important to get them talking about the issue right now than telling them to yell at senators<br /> [22:50] &lt;kate_m&gt; (please feel free to question the sick person's judgment)<br /> [22:50] &lt;SplendidSpoon&gt; Nah it makes sense<br /> [22:50] &lt;SplendidSpoon&gt; Should be a URL and action point like &quot;For more&quot; or &quot;To see what you can do&quot;<br /> [22:51] &lt;@jokeefe&gt; Good point, Kate. For a link, we have been using - http://www.masspirates.org/blog/dontcensorthenet/ I'll get you a QRcode as well.<br /> [22:52] &lt;kate_m&gt; is there any way the /blog/ part could go away?<br /> [22:53] &lt;kate_m&gt; less parts = more actual direct visitors<br /> [22:53] &lt;kate_m&gt; sad but true<br /> [22:53] &lt;@jokeefe&gt; doncensorthenet.masspirates.org ?<br /> [22:54] &lt;kate_m&gt; or MassPirates.org/DontCensorTheNet<br /> [22:55] &lt;@jokeefe&gt; let me see what I can do<br /> [22:56] &lt;kate_m&gt; permalinks in the wpadmin section<br /> [22:57] &lt;@jokeefe&gt; I just setup a 301 redirection from MassPirates.org/DontCensorTheNet to http://www.masspirates.org/blog/dontcensorthenet/<br /> [22:57] &lt;@jokeefe&gt; Let me check on the WPadmin change<br /> [22:57] &lt;kate_m&gt; 301 works just as well<br /> [22:59] &lt;kate_m&gt; So, conference stuff?<br /> [22:59] &lt;@jokeefe&gt; Yes<br /> [23:00] &lt;@jokeefe&gt; seemed like the time we needed to get together as a large group, educate folks, make decisions and socialize<br /> [23:01] &lt;@jokeefe&gt; looking at location, date and schedule<br /> [23:03] &lt;kate_m&gt; are there enough mass pirates for it?<br /> [23:03] &lt;kate_m&gt; or are you going to be inviting sympathetic groups :)<br /> [23:05] &lt;@jokeefe&gt; we need to invite sympathetic groups<br /> [23:06] &lt;kate_m&gt; okay, well you know we're good for reaching out to the anons<br /> [23:06] &lt;kate_m&gt; do you have a month in mind?<br /> [23:06] &lt;@jokeefe&gt; Feb<br /> [23:07] &lt;@jokeefe&gt; Looking at a college/univ/church/democracy center/etc.<br /> [23:07] &lt;@jokeefe&gt; networking needed of course<br /> [23:08] &lt;@jokeefe&gt; computer that is<br /> [23:11] &lt;@jokeefe&gt; recommendations welcome<br /> [23:11] &lt;kate_m&gt; no idea, really<br /> [23:14] &lt;@jokeefe&gt; thanks<br /> [23:14] &lt;@jokeefe&gt; any suggestions for talks?<br /> [23:15] &lt;kate_m&gt; Basically dust off the kind of stuff we were talking about for the pirate picnic last year?<br /> [23:15] &lt;@jokeefe&gt; good point<br /> [23:15] &lt;kate_m&gt; probably try to get some experienced Pirates to come and speak, or at least some established third party candidates<br /> [23:15] &lt;@jokeefe&gt; yes<br /> [23:16] &lt;@jokeefe&gt; some good how tos would also help<br /> [23:19] &lt;@jokeefe&gt; I have nothing more to add. anyone else?<br /> [23:19] &lt;SplendidSpoon&gt; Nope sounds good<br /> [23:24] &lt;@jokeefe&gt; good night folks<br /> [23:24] &lt;SplendidSpoon&gt; Nighty night<br /> [23:26] &lt;kate_m&gt; night</div>

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