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		<title>Jokeefe at 18:41, 27 December 2012</title>
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		<title>Jokeefe: Created page with &quot;== Agenda ==  # Discussion of locations for our next conference(s)  == Quick Notes / Summaries Re Proposed Bills to be Discussed: ==   == Participants ==  * srevilak - Steve Revi...&quot;</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Created page with &amp;quot;== Agenda ==  # Discussion of locations for our next conference(s)  == Quick Notes / Summaries Re Proposed Bills to be Discussed: ==   == Participants ==  * srevilak - Steve Revi...&amp;quot;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;New page&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div&gt;== Agenda ==&lt;br /&gt;
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# Discussion of locations for our next conference(s)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Quick Notes / Summaries Re Proposed Bills to be Discussed: ==&lt;br /&gt;
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== Participants ==&lt;br /&gt;
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* srevilak - Steve Revilak&lt;br /&gt;
* jokeefe - James O'Keefe, Somerville&lt;br /&gt;
* davidd - David, Netherlands&lt;br /&gt;
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Observers:&lt;br /&gt;
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* cmal&lt;br /&gt;
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=== Pirate Info Conference ===&lt;br /&gt;
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Qualities we need in a site for a conference:&lt;br /&gt;
# We will probably get more people this year, so adequate space.  At least 100 people.&lt;br /&gt;
# Good location that is easy to get to and accessible to people with disabilities&lt;br /&gt;
# Good access to internet and electrical outlets&lt;br /&gt;
# Good lighting&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
srevilak sent out what he discovered about the costs/availability of the locations we discussed.  jokeefe also sent out the notes from last year.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Plans hinge on what we want to do and how many people we think will attend.&lt;br /&gt;
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== Meeting Minutes ==&lt;br /&gt;
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[12:41] &amp;lt;@srevilak&amp;gt; wow, did I lose track of time&lt;br /&gt;
[12:57] &amp;lt;@srevilak&amp;gt; I'll toss out a few questions, re: conference&lt;br /&gt;
[12:58] &amp;lt;@srevilak&amp;gt; and hope that jokeefe checks back in :)&lt;br /&gt;
[12:58] &amp;lt;@srevilak&amp;gt; I assume one day, either Saturday or Sunday&lt;br /&gt;
[12:58] &amp;lt;@srevilak&amp;gt; good or bad assumption?&lt;br /&gt;
[12:58] &amp;lt;@jokeefe&amp;gt; hi&lt;br /&gt;
[12:59] &amp;lt;@jokeefe&amp;gt; hi&lt;br /&gt;
[12:59] &amp;lt;@jokeefe&amp;gt; you there?&lt;br /&gt;
[12:59] &amp;lt;@srevilak&amp;gt; yup&lt;br /&gt;
[12:59] &amp;lt;@jokeefe&amp;gt; good&lt;br /&gt;
[12:59] &amp;lt;@jokeefe&amp;gt; I am just cleaning&lt;br /&gt;
[13:00] &amp;lt;@srevilak&amp;gt; day off?&lt;br /&gt;
[13:00] &amp;lt;@jokeefe&amp;gt; yes&lt;br /&gt;
[13:00] &amp;lt;@jokeefe&amp;gt; until the 2nd&lt;br /&gt;
[13:00] &amp;lt;@jokeefe&amp;gt; one perk of the company I work for&lt;br /&gt;
[13:01] &amp;lt;@srevilak&amp;gt; Good for you.  I'm having a quiet day at work&lt;br /&gt;
[13:01] &amp;lt;@srevilak&amp;gt; cleaning is a good thing to do on the days off&lt;br /&gt;
[13:02] &amp;lt;@srevilak&amp;gt; have a moment to chat about conference planning?&lt;br /&gt;
[13:03] &amp;lt;@jokeefe&amp;gt; sure&lt;br /&gt;
[13:04] &amp;lt;@srevilak&amp;gt; Are we looking at one day on a weekend?  Or something else&lt;br /&gt;
[13:04] &amp;lt;@jokeefe&amp;gt; I just emailed out the space notes from the 2012 conference&lt;br /&gt;
[13:05] &amp;lt;@jokeefe&amp;gt; We had talked about two confs each of a one day duration&lt;br /&gt;
[13:05] &amp;lt;@srevilak&amp;gt; (reading notes)&lt;br /&gt;
[13:05] &amp;lt;@jokeefe&amp;gt; I have found with the GRP that two days is both too much and not enough&lt;br /&gt;
[13:06] &amp;lt;@jokeefe&amp;gt; too much for people's interest, and not enough time to get everything done.&lt;br /&gt;
[13:08] &amp;lt;@srevilak&amp;gt; I see.  In that case, two one-day conferences makes sense&lt;br /&gt;
[13:08] &amp;lt;@srevilak&amp;gt; Sevan (bsod?) is also looking at a space in Roxbury&lt;br /&gt;
[13:08] &amp;lt;+davidd&amp;gt; http://events.ccc.de/congress/2012/Fahrplan/day_2012-12-27.en.html&lt;br /&gt;
[13:09] &amp;lt;@jokeefe&amp;gt; Interesting.  BTW: Sevan != bsod&lt;br /&gt;
[13:10] &amp;lt;@jokeefe&amp;gt; hi davidd&lt;br /&gt;
[13:10] &amp;lt;@srevilak&amp;gt; jokeefe: thanks for info&lt;br /&gt;
[13:10] &amp;lt;+davidd&amp;gt; hi mister okeefe&lt;br /&gt;
[13:10] &amp;lt;@srevilak&amp;gt; davidd: 20:30 lecture looks interesting&lt;br /&gt;
[13:10] &amp;lt;+davidd&amp;gt; 20:30 is in 40 minutes from now&lt;br /&gt;
[13:10] &amp;lt;+davidd&amp;gt; central european time&lt;br /&gt;
[13:11] &amp;lt;+davidd&amp;gt; they have lots of interesting stuff&lt;br /&gt;
[13:11] &amp;lt;+davidd&amp;gt; today is day one&lt;br /&gt;
[13:11] &amp;lt;@srevilak&amp;gt; Next week, you can tell us What Happens When Telling the Truth about Secret US Government Power Becomes a Crime&lt;br /&gt;
[13:11] &amp;lt;@srevilak&amp;gt; :)&lt;br /&gt;
[13:11] &amp;lt;+davidd&amp;gt; it isnt a crime yet?&lt;br /&gt;
[13:12] &amp;lt;@jokeefe&amp;gt; depends who tells it.&lt;br /&gt;
[13:12] &amp;lt;@jokeefe&amp;gt; it would seem.&lt;br /&gt;
[13:13] &amp;lt;@srevilak&amp;gt; And they can always find a way to turn it in to a crime.  I was interested in hearing international perspective&lt;br /&gt;
[13:13] &amp;lt;@srevilak&amp;gt; but I digress&lt;br /&gt;
[13:14] &amp;lt;@jokeefe&amp;gt; BHCC may be the most reasonable of the ones you researched, srevilak&lt;br /&gt;
[13:14] &amp;lt;@srevilak&amp;gt; ok.  How many hours (what times) are we looking at?&lt;br /&gt;
[13:14] &amp;lt;@jokeefe&amp;gt; Our 1st conference made money, but IIRC all of the GRP conferences lost money&lt;br /&gt;
[13:15] &amp;lt;+davidd&amp;gt; bradley manning is sent to the proverbial goelag in siberia&lt;br /&gt;
[13:15] &amp;lt;@srevilak&amp;gt; GRP?&lt;br /&gt;
[13:15] &amp;lt;@jokeefe&amp;gt; Green-Rainbow Party&lt;br /&gt;
[13:15] &amp;lt;@srevilak&amp;gt; kthx&lt;br /&gt;
[13:15] &amp;lt;@jokeefe&amp;gt; yes, davidd&lt;br /&gt;
[13:16] &amp;lt;@jokeefe&amp;gt; For BHCC it depends on what the other fees are&lt;br /&gt;
[13:16] &amp;lt;@srevilak&amp;gt; I have rate sheet @ home.&lt;br /&gt;
[13:16] &amp;lt;@jokeefe&amp;gt; So, probably 10am-6pm, with a concert/fundraiser from 7pm-10pm&lt;br /&gt;
[13:17] &amp;lt;@srevilak&amp;gt; Most venues wanted dates&lt;br /&gt;
[13:18] &amp;lt;@jokeefe&amp;gt; The Community Church seemed reasonable, but no wheelchair access and we would need to bring in our own wifis&lt;br /&gt;
[13:18] &amp;lt;@srevilak&amp;gt; Community church is wheelchair accessible.  They have an elevator that lets out in the space&lt;br /&gt;
[13:19] &amp;lt;@srevilak&amp;gt; Attended a meeting where one fellow came up in a motorized wheelchair&lt;br /&gt;
[13:19] &amp;lt;@jokeefe&amp;gt; oh good&lt;br /&gt;
[13:20] &amp;lt;@srevilak&amp;gt; CCB Congregation Directory, Linda Jenkins, is a really good person.&lt;br /&gt;
[13:20] &amp;lt;@jokeefe&amp;gt; parking would be a pain, but rates might not be as bad on a Saturday&lt;br /&gt;
[13:20] &amp;lt;@srevilak&amp;gt; s/Directory/Director/&lt;br /&gt;
[13:23] &amp;lt;@srevilak&amp;gt; when do we want to pick dates for the event?&lt;br /&gt;
[13:23] &amp;lt;@jokeefe&amp;gt; We are fairly flexible on that score.&lt;br /&gt;
[13:23] &amp;lt;@srevilak&amp;gt; ok&lt;br /&gt;
[13:24] &amp;lt;@jokeefe&amp;gt; Probably want at least three month lead time depending on what we are doing&lt;br /&gt;
[13:24] &amp;lt;+davidd&amp;gt; how many people do you expect/want to come?&lt;br /&gt;
[13:24] &amp;lt;@jokeefe&amp;gt; if just pirates doing policy, then we could limit it to a keynote/end conf speakers and just have break out sessions.&lt;br /&gt;
[13:25] &amp;lt;@jokeefe&amp;gt; we had about 40+ people last time.&lt;br /&gt;
[13:25] &amp;lt;@jokeefe&amp;gt; I believe we want to double/triple it.&lt;br /&gt;
[13:25] &amp;lt;+davidd&amp;gt; what is the median driving time for people to get there?&lt;br /&gt;
[13:26] &amp;lt;@srevilak&amp;gt; 100+ seems like a reasonable goal&lt;br /&gt;
[13:26] &amp;lt;@jokeefe&amp;gt; Could take some of the talks folks did for cryptoparty + others and have that in one set of sessions.&lt;br /&gt;
[13:26] &amp;lt;+davidd&amp;gt; in other words the balance between time in the car and time on the conf&lt;br /&gt;
[13:27] &amp;lt;@srevilak&amp;gt; (driving time) for someone in the area, probably 30-45 minutes by public transit&lt;br /&gt;
[13:27] &amp;lt;@jokeefe&amp;gt; good question, davidd.  max time is about 2:30hrs from farthest reaches.&lt;br /&gt;
[13:27] &amp;lt;@jokeefe&amp;gt; majority probably in 30-45 min&lt;br /&gt;
[13:27] &amp;lt;+davidd&amp;gt; ok, that is very nice&lt;br /&gt;
[13:27] &amp;lt;@jokeefe&amp;gt; Could do see about doing an indiegogo campaign.  Pick a date and see how much we get.  Then we know the baseline as to how many will be there.&lt;br /&gt;
[13:28] &amp;lt;@jokeefe&amp;gt; because they prepaid.&lt;br /&gt;
[13:28] &amp;lt;+davidd&amp;gt; do you have any speakers in mind yet, and how busy is their schedule?&lt;br /&gt;
[13:28] &amp;lt;@srevilak&amp;gt; given two conf.  Would it be worthwhile to do one conf in Boston, and one in Springfield/Worcester&lt;br /&gt;
[13:29] &amp;lt;@jokeefe&amp;gt; as long as both have similar structure, I would think&lt;br /&gt;
[13:29] &amp;lt;@srevilak&amp;gt; I'll let jokeefe speak to speakers&lt;br /&gt;
[13:30] &amp;lt;@jokeefe&amp;gt; we would need to brainstorm that.&lt;br /&gt;
[13:31] &amp;lt;@srevilak&amp;gt; 3 mth lead time is probably good for working out all the logistics&lt;br /&gt;
[13:31] &amp;lt;@jokeefe&amp;gt; Would be good to have local folks and if two speakers, one man and one woman.&lt;br /&gt;
[13:31] &amp;lt;@jokeefe&amp;gt; yes&lt;br /&gt;
[13:33] &amp;lt;+davidd&amp;gt; in my experience the turnout is very dependent on good announcements&lt;br /&gt;
[13:33] &amp;lt;+davidd&amp;gt; starting far in advance, but many repetitions&lt;br /&gt;
[13:34] &amp;lt;@srevilak&amp;gt; I'll have to clock back in to work.  jokeefe: see you Sunday?&lt;br /&gt;
[13:34] &amp;lt;+davidd&amp;gt; up until the event&lt;br /&gt;
[13:34] &amp;lt;+davidd&amp;gt; good work srevilak&lt;br /&gt;
[13:34] &amp;lt;+davidd&amp;gt; have fun&lt;br /&gt;
[13:34] &amp;lt;@srevilak&amp;gt; davidd: good point, and thx&lt;br /&gt;
[13:34] &amp;lt;@jokeefe&amp;gt; yes, srevilak, I'll have the list&lt;br /&gt;
[13:34] &amp;lt;@jokeefe&amp;gt; happy work.&lt;br /&gt;
[13:35] &amp;lt;@jokeefe&amp;gt; thanks for the suggestions, davidd.&lt;br /&gt;
[13:35] &amp;lt;+davidd&amp;gt; and you too jokeefe, keep up the good work&lt;br /&gt;
[13:35] &amp;lt;@jokeefe&amp;gt; thanks&lt;br /&gt;
[13:35] &amp;lt;+davidd&amp;gt; i am just trying to help brainstorm without telling you what and how to do&lt;br /&gt;
[13:35] &amp;lt;+davidd&amp;gt; just asking some important questions&lt;br /&gt;
[13:36] &amp;lt;+davidd&amp;gt; and your anwsers should lead you to what to do&lt;br /&gt;
[13:37] &amp;lt;@jokeefe&amp;gt; though direct examples are very worthwhile, of course&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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