June 12th, 2012 IRC Meeting - Revision history

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Jokeefe at 17:27, 12 June 2012

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 .  Moving this meeting to Thursdays & to pirateirc.
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 [13:18] <jokeefe> no details
 [13:19] <jokeefe> thanks on running with a parade doc

Jokeefe at 17:24, 12 June 2012

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-.  Public Policy Question Status
+.  Parade Action Items
-.  National Party News
+Erix will write a proposal on how to deal with future parades.
-.  Moving this meeting to Thursdays
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 [13:15] <erixoltan> Let me email it to you.
 [13:15] <jokeefe> thanks!

Jokeefe at 17:16, 12 June 2012

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	[13:12] <jokeefe> great		[13:12] <jokeefe> great
	[13:13] <jokeefe> also, do you have the list of the films you added at the film fest. i think what we last had is out of date and it would be good to finally post the links to what we showed.		[13:13] <jokeefe> also, do you have the list of the films you added at the film fest. i think what we last had is out of date and it would be good to finally post the links to what we showed.
			[13:15] <erixoltan> yes I do have a list.
			[13:15] <erixoltan> Let me email it to you.
			[13:15] <jokeefe> thanks!

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	* jokeefe - James O'Keefe, Somerville		* jokeefe - James O'Keefe, Somerville
	* SplendidSpoon - Lauren Pespisa, Boxboro/Cambridge		* SplendidSpoon - Lauren Pespisa, Boxboro/Cambridge
			* erixoltan - Erik Zoltan, Framingham
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Jokeefe at 17:14, 12 June 2012

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	* Need to post a blog update with pics.		* Need to post a blog update with pics.
	* Will ask Chris to finish the statement he wrote a draft for		* Will ask Chris R. to finish the statement he wrote a draft for

	4. Moving this meeting to Thursdays		4. Moving this meeting to Thursdays

Jokeefe at 17:14, 12 June 2012

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	[13:07] <jokeefe> Sean is a sysadmin and said he is interested in the hackathon		[13:07] <jokeefe> Sean is a sysadmin and said he is interested in the hackathon
	[13:08] <jokeefe> version 2.0 is coming out in late june so if we get 1.0 installed before then upgrading should hopefully not be that much of an ordeal		[13:08] <jokeefe> version 2.0 is coming out in late june so if we get 1.0 installed before then upgrading should hopefully not be that much of an ordeal
			[13:09] <erixoltan> great. I think that would be a great priority to have. I also think we should keep track of exactly what we do, because all the other state parties want this too as does the USPP.
			[13:09] <jokeefe> aye
			[13:09] <jokeefe> do sundays work for you?
			[13:10] <jokeefe> week nights would be difficult I would think
			[13:10] <erixoltan> I can make an effort to be available whenever it is, because it's important. Sundays are no worse than anything else.
			[13:11] <erixoltan> Actually during normal business hours is easiest but don't post that on the chat transcript.........
			[13:11] <jokeefe> Was thinking about doing it in person
			[13:12] <erixoltan> sure we should at least get started in person.
			[13:12] <jokeefe> great
			[13:13] <jokeefe> also, do you have the list of the films you added at the film fest. i think what we last had is out of date and it would be good to finally post the links to what we showed.

Jokeefe at 17:09, 12 June 2012

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	[12:59] <jokeefe> which do you all think is more important?		[12:59] <jokeefe> which do you all think is more important?
	[13:00] <erixoltan> both		[13:00] <erixoltan> both
			[13:00] <erixoltan> what kind of resources do we have for a hackathon?
			[13:00] <erixoltan> actually liquid feedback is more impt.
			[13:01] <erixoltan> if we can be successful
			[13:02] <jokeefe> we have a server, the sourcecode and people
			[13:02] <erixoltan> Do we have PostgresSQL? I hear you need that.
			[13:03] <erixoltan> I think a site administrator type of person would be very useful to have, more than developers etc.
			[13:04] <erixoltan> Personally I would probably have an easier time rewriting liquid feedback for a new platform than installing it...
			[13:07] <jokeefe> yes we have access to postgres
			[13:07] <jokeefe> Sean is a sysadmin and said he is interested in the hackathon
			[13:08] <jokeefe> version 2.0 is coming out in late june so if we get 1.0 installed before then upgrading should hopefully not be that much of an ordeal

Jokeefe at 17:00, 12 June 2012

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	[12:35] <erixoltan> had to rush back from dr. appt.		[12:35] <erixoltan> had to rush back from dr. appt.
	[12:35] <jokeefe> no problem		[12:35] <jokeefe> no problem
			[12:36] <jokeefe> agenda & transcript at http://masspirates.org/wiki/index.php?title=June_12th,_2012_IRC_Meeting
			[12:36] <jokeefe> we are pretty much through it
			[12:37] <erixoltan> k
			[12:37] <jokeefe> did amanda contact you?
			[12:37] <erixoltan> about what?
			[12:37] <jokeefe> about whether you wanted to be co-chair of the nat part constiution committee?
			[12:38] <erixoltan> yes I did get an email about that.
			[12:38] <erixoltan> I definitely want to be on that committee, as it's the only one I signed up for.
			[12:40] <jokeefe> Would you be able to make the PNC meeting this week?
			[12:40] <erixoltan> yes
			[12:41] <erixoltan> I thought you did a great job of giving the MA state update, and would love to get any details I can use for the update though.
			[12:41] <erixoltan> You were very thorough.
			[12:42] <jokeefe> thanks
			[12:42] <jokeefe> I don't see any minutes posted
			[12:43] <jokeefe> to email at least
			[12:43] <erixoltan> They had an email with a link to the wiki page that contains minutes and a full transcript.
			[12:46] <jokeefe> good
			[12:46] <erixoltan> Sorry I can't find it now for some reason.
			[12:47] <jokeefe> no problem, it took longer than all of us probably wanted, but I felt the point of transparency was important.
			[12:48] <jokeefe> they were concerned that the winners would be biased if they saw who voted against them.
			[12:48] <erixoltan> I think there is a good argument both ways.
			[12:49] <erixoltan> it's a tough question.
			[12:49] <jokeefe> yes. at least the ballot is ranked
			[12:49] <erixoltan> But I agree with you that we should model the value of open government and transparency that we are advocating.
			[12:50] <jokeefe> though if they are doing it, then the threshold is only 1/3 for each of the two winners and not two majorities.
			[12:50] <jokeefe> STV-PR is like that
			[12:50] <jokeefe> ++ erix
			[12:50] <erixoltan> What's STV-PR?
			[12:50] <jokeefe> Single Transferable Vote - Proportional Representation
			[12:51] <erixoltan> aah
			[12:51] <jokeefe> Cambridge uses it for local elections.
			[12:51] <jokeefe> Ireland and Northern Ireland also uses it as does New Zealand for many local elections
			[12:51] <jokeefe> Malta too, i think
			[12:51] <erixoltan> So if you have two chairs, it's the top 2 vote getters and each person only votes for 1 candidate?
			[12:52] <jokeefe> no you rank the candidates and then count the number of first preference votes
			[12:53] <jokeefe> If anyone has the 1/3 threshold [ 1/(num cands + 1) ], then they are in.
			[12:53] <erixoltan> ok, and if not then do you factor in second-preference rankings?
			[12:53] <jokeefe> over votes for a successful candidate get randomly assigned to their 2nd place. votes with out a candidate, get assigned to their 2nd place, and the process repeats
			[12:54] <jokeefe> http://www.eoni.org.uk/index/faqs/pr-stv-voting-system-faqs.htm
			[12:54] <erixoltan> hopefully there is a computer program to figure it out.
			[12:54] <jokeefe> http://www.environ.ie/en/Publications/LocalGovernment/Voting/FileDownLoad,1895,en.pdf
			[12:54] <jokeefe> oh there is
			[12:54] <jokeefe> free too
			[12:54] <jokeefe> let me find it
			[12:55] <jokeefe> fairvote.org is also a good site for this
			[12:56] <jokeefe> as is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_transferable_vote
			[12:57] <erixoltan> OK so the PNC decided to use this last week?
			[12:57] <jokeefe> yes.
			[12:57] <jokeefe> see http://www.openstv.org/ for an open version
			[12:58] <erixoltan> awesome thanks
			[12:59] <jokeefe> so two other party events to plan for besides the lunch: a sunday meeting, a hackathon to get liquid feedback up
			[12:59] <jokeefe> which do you all think is more important?
			[13:00] <erixoltan> both

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	[12:25] <jokeefe> I suggest leaving the vote up to Erik since he has a better knowledge of the folks involved.		[12:25] <jokeefe> I suggest leaving the vote up to Erik since he has a better knowledge of the folks involved.
	[12:26] <jokeefe> does that make sense?		[12:26] <jokeefe> does that make sense?
			[12:27] <SplendidSpoon> yea
			[12:27] <SplendidSpoon> sorry being distracted by coworkers
			[12:27] <SplendidSpoon> but yea that's fine
			[12:28] <jokeefe> ok, someone txt'd that they are running late to the meeting. not sure who though
			[12:30] <SplendidSpoon> OK
			[12:31] <jokeefe> Reminder: the pirate lunch poll is still open - http://www.doodle.com/m4hepdwkeu2zftib
			[12:31] <SplendidSpoon> Did we ever decide if we were gonna switch irc server?
			[12:32] <jokeefe> formally, maybe. seems like the right thing to do.
			[12:33] <SplendidSpoon> Yea
			[12:33] <jokeefe> pirateirc?
			[12:33] <SplendidSpoon> Yea that seems like a good idea
			[12:33] <jokeefe> all pirates in one basket
			[12:33] <jokeefe> :-)
			[12:33] <SplendidSpoon> yea
			[12:34] <jokeefe> would you set it up? i guess you me and Erik as admins
			[12:34] <SplendidSpoon> I have no idea how....
			[12:34] <SplendidSpoon> I mean I'm pretty sure anyone can create a room on the fly and then they are OP but I never do that
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			[12:35] <SplendidSpoon> Don't know all the IRC commands
			[12:35] <erixoltan> hi, sorry to be so late.
			[12:35] <erixoltan> had to rush back from dr. appt.
			[12:35] <jokeefe> no problem