May 22nd, 2018 IRC Meeting - Revision history

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	== Participants ==		== Participants ==

			* jokeefe: James O’Keefe, Somerville
			* Pirate_Joe: Joseph Onoroski,Lowell
			* hvxgr_: Tom Rodman / Milwaukee


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			[9:00pm] jokeefe: Agenda: https://masspirates.org/wiki/May_22nd,_2018_IRC_Meeting
			[9:00pm] jokeefe: ids
			[9:00pm] jokeefe: James O’Keefe, Somerville
			[9:01pm] Pirate_Joe: Joseph Onoroski,Lowell
			[9:01pm] hvxgr_: Tom Rodman / Milwaukee
			[9:03pm] jokeefe: Anything to add?
			[9:03pm] jokeefe: I added the Oppose the Protect and Serve Act of 2018?
			[9:04pm] hvxgr_: How about a quick explanation/comparison of civi crm vs nationbuilder (I'm sorta being forced to learn nationbuilder).
			[9:05pm] jokeefe: ok
			[9:05pm] jokeefe: CiviCRM is libre software that you own and deploy on a server you control
			[9:06pm] jokeefe: all the data is under your control
			[9:06pm] jokeefe: nationbuilder is offered by a third party. You pay for the service. Less maintenance, but they get to use your data.
			[9:06pm] jokeefe: features are similar.
			[9:07pm] jokeefe: is that enough of an explantion?
			[9:07pm] hvxgr_: Does it support the "mail blast" approach where peoples clicks in response to mass emailings update a people or event datbase?
			[9:07pm] jokeefe: Yes
			[9:07pm] jokeefe: We use it for our mailing list and events campaigns etc.
			[9:08pm] hvxgr_: I suggested civicrm, and would lean that way, but two groups I'm involved with went w/ nb.
			[9:08pm] jokeefe: Yeah noticed that Greens tend to do that.
			[9:08pm] hvxgr_: That's enough/thx.
			[9:08pm] jokeefe: Review - Joe any thoughts on the video
			[9:09pm] Pirate_Joe: I have not had time to watch it but I enjoyed making it.
			[9:10pm] Pirate_Joe: I am sorry that I had to play devils advocate but that would be easier if we had some guess that did not share our point of view
			[9:11pm] Pirate_Joe: having a nice long vid was a nice change since we were able to hit a lot of points though
			[9:11pm] jokeefe: Good to have views challenged.
			[9:11pm] jokeefe: I like shorter videos myself, but it was fun.
			[9:11pm] jokeefe: Decisions/Endorsements
			[9:11pm] Pirate_Joe: I have my son until late today but tomorrow I'll have a change to review and send out the challenges
			[9:12pm] jokeefe: Thanks.
			[9:12pm] jokeefe: The House voted for the Protect and Serve Act of 2018. I believe that everyone in the MA delegation voted for it.
			[9:13pm] jokeefe: It would make police a protected class if they are harmed.
			[9:13pm] jokeefe: https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/5698
			[9:14pm] jokeefe: It looks like another tool prosecutors can use to get people to plea instead of going to trial
			[9:14pm] jokeefe: It is pretty short
			[9:15pm] jokeefe: only applies to Federal law enforcement officers
			[9:15pm] Pirate_Joe: just wait, it will filter down
			[9:16pm] jokeefe: DEA, FBI, marshall service, etc.
			[9:16pm] jokeefe: no doubt. wouldn’t take a lot of edits to change it to apply more broadly
			[9:16pm] jokeefe: though that might make it more subject to challenge, maybe
			[9:16pm] Pirate_Joe: thing is that it's a good deal of pointless laws, since attacking anyone is illegal
			[9:17pm] Pirate_Joe: like the difference between a yellow light and a red. They actually mean the same thing on the books
			[9:17pm] jokeefe: yeah, but it increases the punishment
			[9:18pm] jokeefe: thoughts on opposing it?
			[9:18pm] Pirate_Joe: we could but
			[9:19pm] Pirate_Joe: it's a bit pointless. It's more of a law that is in place so that it looks like congress is doing something, at least that's my take away from it
			[9:19pm] Pirate_Joe: quick, look busy, the boss is watching
			[9:19pm] Pirate_Joe: crime vs fed agents is pretty low tbh
			[9:20pm] jokeefe: I expect it will be used especially by Sessions DOJ
			[9:21pm] Pirate_Joe: I'm sure there will be some that exploit it. I am opposed to it though since I am fully against pointless laws
			[9:23pm] Pirate_Joe: The point of law is to be a social contract to be upheld by all citizens. If we make it so convoluted that know one understands it then everyone will be breaking it
			[9:26pm] jokeefe: sounds like you should write the statement
			[9:27pm] Pirate_Joe: lol, I still owe you a statement from an old one we opposed
			[9:29pm] jokeefe: Think this is more pressing
			[9:29pm] Pirate_Joe: Not sure exactly when I can get to it, but if you want me to do it I will
			[9:30pm] jokeefe: Even if it is we oppose because the point of law is to be a social contract to be upheld by all citizens. If we make it so convoluted that know one understands it then everyone will be breaking it. …
			[9:30pm] jokeefe: short and sweet
			[9:31pm] jokeefe: send to the list and we can edit it and decide next meeting?
			[9:31pm] Pirate_Joe: I am against protecting any one group anyways. We ALL should be protected together no matter race, sex, sexual pref, etc
			[9:31pm] Pirate_Joe: Mind if I send it to you?
			[9:31pm] Pirate_Joe: Let you get in some last minute edits if required?
			[9:33pm] jokeefe: ok
			[9:34pm] Pirate_Joe: Ok, I should be able to work on it after I get to the video tomorrow night
			[9:34pm] jokeefe: ok
			[9:34pm] jokeefe: Projects
			[9:35pm] jokeefe: Bunch of statements in progress, plus two Malt wrote that I will get up on the site.
			[9:35pm] jokeefe: Video Newsletter - When should we have the next one and what form should it take?
			[9:37pm] Pirate_Joe: We should do the next few as small videos, 5 to 10 minutes
			[9:37pm] Pirate_Joe: I was thinking of doing a crypto vid next on the basic of internet safety
			[9:38pm] Pirate_Joe: Things that all kids should know about protecting themselves online
			[9:39pm] jokeefe: sounds good. Could refine my slides from the mos cryptoparty
			[9:39pm] jokeefe: but keep it focused on a few topics
			[9:39pm] Pirate_Joe: The first one we really should do the basics for kids online.
			[9:40pm] Pirate_Joe: Then more advanced stuff like what sites to buy from and which ones you shouldn't. etc.
			[9:40pm] jokeefe: will put up a list of things to discuss and email for review
			[9:41pm] Pirate_Joe: Sounds good.
			[9:42pm] jokeefe: will promote the Party Conference survey more in the next email newsletter
			[9:43pm] Pirate_Joe: ok
			[9:44pm] jokeefe: that is all I have for now
			[9:45pm] jokeefe: anything to add?
			[9:45pm] Pirate_Joe: I have something that I realized from the vid last night
			[9:45pm] Pirate_Joe: We have cars that stop even if you fail to do so in time
			[9:45pm] Pirate_Joe: Then why do we have ubers running people over?
			[9:46pm] Pirate_Joe: Just a thought, I have nothing else to add
			[9:46pm] Pirate_Joe: Motion to Adjourn?
			[9:47pm] jokeefe: they disabled the volvo’s anti-crash feature and their software was tuned to ignore too many false positives
			[9:47pm] jokeefe: 2nd
			[9:47pm] jokeefe: all in favor?
			[9:47pm] hvxgr_: aye
			[9:47pm] Pirate_Joe: Aye
			[9:47pm] jokeefe: aye
			[9:47pm] jokeefe: let me find the link
			[9:47pm] Pirate_Joe: Thanks
			[9:48pm] jokeefe: https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2018/05/report-software-bug-led-to-death-in-ubers-self-driving-crash/
			[9:48pm] jokeefe: “Sensors detected Elaine Herzberg, but software reportedly decided to ignore her"
			[9:48pm] jokeefe: I’ll post the notes


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Jokeefe at 01:05, 23 May 2018

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	== Decisions/Endorsements ==		== Decisions/Endorsements ==

	* Oppose the [http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2018/roll188.xml ~~Protect and Serve Act of 2018~~]?		* Oppose the [https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/5698 Protect and Serve Act of 2018]? - [http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2018/roll188.xml Entire MA Delegation voted for it].

	== Projects ==		== Projects ==

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			* Oppose the [http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2018/roll188.xml Protect and Serve Act of 2018]?

	== Projects ==		== Projects ==

Jokeefe at 18:05, 22 May 2018

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	== Review ==		== Review ==

	~~=== Museum of Science Cryptoparty ===~~

	~~=== MassMesh Tech Meeting ===~~

	== Decisions/Endorsements ==		== Decisions/Endorsements ==

	~~=== S.2823 - A bill to modernize copyright law, and for other purposes ===~~

	[https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/senate-bill/2823?q=%7B%22search%22%3A%5B%22S.+2823%22%5D%7D&r=1 S.2823] would extend some cherry-picked parts of federal copyright to cover sound recordings made between 1923 and 1972, which are currently covered only by a patchwork of state laws. It would force streaming services to get licenses for those recordings, even though all that does is create a new subsidy for rightsholders (which are usually record labels and not artists) and make it harder for music fans to listen to old recordings. [https://act.eff.org/action/stop-another-expansion-of-copyright-tell-the-senate-to-vote-no-on-s-2823 EFF action page]

	~~The House Bill is [https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/3301/all-info?r=1 H.3301] which doesn't appear to have been approved yet.~~

	~~Now would be a good time to oppose these bills, make a petition and meet with MA House Reps. and Senators.~~

	~~=== Free Reality Winner ===~~

	== Projects ==		== Projects ==

	=== Statements ===		=== Statements ===

			* S.2823 - A bill to modernize copyright law, and for other purposes - posted. jokeefe will create petition
			* Free Reality Winner - Approved. jokeefe will write a statement
			* US S.1241 - Combating Money Laundering, Terrorist Financing, and Counterfeiting Act of 2017 - Approved our opposition to S.1241. Need statement (Joe)
			* MA [https://malegislature.gov/Bills/190/H3641/ Bill H.3641: An Act relative to electronic tolling] - Approved our opposition to it. Past position is to remove the tolls on the Pike since it has long been paid for. Bill did not get out of committee (jokeefe)

	=== Video Newsletter ===		=== Video Newsletter ===

	~~Week in review set for Sunday. What time?~~

	=== Party Conference ===		=== Party Conference ===
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	~~== Statements In Process ==~~

	* MA [https://malegislature.gov/Bills/190/H3641/ Bill H.3641: An Act relative to electronic tolling] - Approved our opposition to it. Past position is to remove the tolls on the Pike since it has long been paid for.
	* US S.1241 - Combating Money Laundering, Terrorist Financing, and Counterfeiting Act of 2017 - Approved our opposition to S.1241. Need statement (Joe)

	== Other To Dos ==		== Other To Dos ==

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== Review ==

=== Museum of Science Cryptoparty ===

=== MassMesh Tech Meeting ===

== Decisions/Endorsements ==

=== S.2823 - A bill to modernize copyright law, and for other purposes ===

[https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/senate-bill/2823?q=%7B%22search%22%3A%5B%22S.+2823%22%5D%7D&r=1 S.2823] would extend some cherry-picked parts of federal copyright to cover sound recordings made between 1923 and 1972, which are currently covered only by a patchwork of state laws. It would force streaming services to get licenses for those recordings, even though all that does is create a new subsidy for rightsholders (which are usually record labels and not artists) and make it harder for music fans to listen to old recordings. [https://act.eff.org/action/stop-another-expansion-of-copyright-tell-the-senate-to-vote-no-on-s-2823 EFF action page]

The House Bill is [https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/3301/all-info?r=1 H.3301] which doesn't appear to have been approved yet.

Now would be a good time to oppose these bills, make a petition and meet with MA House Reps. and Senators.

=== Free Reality Winner ===

== Projects ==

=== Statements ===

=== Video Newsletter ===

Week in review set for Sunday. What time?

=== Party Conference ===

=== Computer Donations ===

https://piratenpad.de/p/MassPiratesComputerDonations

== Statements In Process ==

* MA [https://malegislature.gov/Bills/190/H3641/ Bill H.3641: An Act relative to electronic tolling] - Approved our opposition to it. Past position is to remove the tolls on the Pike since it has long been paid for.
* US S.1241 - Combating Money Laundering, Terrorist Financing, and Counterfeiting Act of 2017 - Approved our opposition to S.1241. Need statement (Joe)

== Other To Dos ==

=== FOSS Tutorials ===

Worcester farm group is interested in having some FOSS tutorials. Perhaps:
* how to do basic labels in GIMP,
* work through a few sample spreadsheets related to seed cost and
* similarly applicable real-world situations, depending on the needs of the group

Basically how to do graph design & product management with open source tools. Malt will put together a one paragraph description of what we need and we can mail it out to ask pirates to help.

=== Tech/Outreach ===

* email Loomio invite to supporters (jokeefe)
* set up torrents for PirateCon videos (creynolds)
* post remaining audio for PirateCon talks (srevilak)
* finish setup of myBB (jokeefe)
* install slack alternative (jokeefe)

== Upcoming Events ==

* 5/22, 7-9pm, ''Mass MeshNet Tech Meeting'', [https://www.industry-lab.com/ Industry Lab], 288 Norfolk St, Cambridge
* 5/29, 7-9pm, ''Mass MeshNet Tech Meeting'', [https://www.industry-lab.com/ Industry Lab], 288 Norfolk St, Cambridge
* 5/30, 6-9pm, ''[https://www.cryptoparty.in/boston Somerville Cryptoparty]'', The Sprouts, 339R Summer Street, Somerville
* 6/5, 7-9pm, ''Mass MeshNet Tech Meeting'', [https://www.industry-lab.com/ Industry Lab], 288 Norfolk St, Cambridge
* 6/7, 6pm, ''Mass MeshNet General Meeting'', [https://www.industry-lab.com/ Industry Lab], 288 Norfolk St, Cambridge
* 6/12, 7-9pm, ''Mass MeshNet Tech Meeting'', [https://www.industry-lab.com/ Industry Lab], 288 Norfolk St, Cambridge
* 6/19, 7-9pm, ''Mass MeshNet Tech Meeting'', [https://www.industry-lab.com/ Industry Lab], 288 Norfolk St, Cambridge
* 6/26, 7-9pm, ''Mass MeshNet Tech Meeting'', [https://www.industry-lab.com/ Industry Lab], 288 Norfolk St, Cambridge
* 6/27, 6-9pm, ''[https://www.cryptoparty.in/boston Somerville Cryptoparty]'', The Sprouts, 339R Summer Street, Somerville
* '''Cambridge Pirate Meetup'''
* '''Democracy/IT meeting'''. Email info@masspirates.org for the location
* '''Somerville Pirate Meetup'''

== Participants ==

=== Observers ===

* ChanServ
* igel
* hvxgr

== Summary ==

== Minutes ==

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