November 1st, 2012 IRC Meeting - Revision history

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Jokeefe at 17:41, 3 November 2012

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	== Attending ==		== Attending ==

	~~Place holders~~

	* jokeefe - James O'Keefe, Somerville		* jokeefe - James O'Keefe, Somerville
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	1. Decisions on ballot questions		1. Decisions on ballot questions
	* QUESTION 1: Availability of Motor Vehicle Repair Information - yes (5 for, 0 against, 0 abstentions)		* QUESTION 1: Availability of Motor Vehicle Repair Information - yes (6 for, 0 against, 0 abstentions)
	* QUESTION 2: Prescribing Medication to End Life - yes (4 for, 0 against, 1 abstention)		* QUESTION 2: Prescribing Medication to End Life - yes (5 for, 0 against, 1 abstention)
	* QUESTION 3: Medical Use of Marijuana - yes (5 for, 0 against, 0 abstentions)		* QUESTION 3: Medical Use of Marijuana - yes (6 for, 0 against, 0 abstentions)

	Votes include those from David Hardwick who ~~votes~~ by email.		Votes include those from David Hardwick who voteed by email and Kevin Gallagher via the [http://www.masspirates.org/blog/2012/10/04/help-decide-our-positions-on-the-ballot-questions/#comments web].

	mildbeard will write the statement on #2, jokeefe on #1 & #3		mildbeard will write the statement on #2, jokeefe on #1 & #3

Jokeefe at 18:02, 1 November 2012

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	* passstab		* passstab - from PA
	* ~~[bsod]~~		* davidd - from PP Netherlands
	* cmal		* teamcoltra - from NY
	* teamcoltra

	== Summary ==		== Summary ==

Jokeefe at 18:01, 1 November 2012

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 * jokeefe - James O'Keefe, Somerville
 * mildbeard - Erik Zoltan, Framingham
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 .  Decisions on ballot questions
-* QUESTION 1: Availability of Motor Vehicle Repair Information
+* QUESTION 1: Availability of Motor Vehicle Repair Information - yes (5 for, 0 against, 0 abstentions)
-* QUESTION 2: Prescribing Medication to End Life
+* QUESTION 2: Prescribing Medication to End Life - yes (4 for, 0 against, 1 abstention)
-* QUESTION 3: Medical Use of Marijuana
+* QUESTION 3: Medical Use of Marijuana - yes (5 for, 0 against, 0 abstentions)
 .  National party update
 == Meeting Minutes ==
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 [13:22] <+teamcoltra> mildbeard you want to "moderate"?
 [13:23] <@mildbeard> sure np. I can be objective if nobody objects to me.

Jokeefe: /* Meeting Minutes */

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Meeting Minutes

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	[12:59] <+teamcoltra> When it does though, then the argument is made that TUEBL is operating 100% within US law and if anyone would like to file a lawsuit then we can determine legality then		[12:59] <+teamcoltra> When it does though, then the argument is made that TUEBL is operating 100% within US law and if anyone would like to file a lawsuit then we can determine legality then
	[13:00] <@jokeefe> well, I say we get the info we need to make a decision, people can give their opinion to mildbeard/SplendidSpoon and let them decide		[13:00] <@jokeefe> well, I say we get the info we need to make a decision, people can give their opinion to mildbeard/SplendidSpoon and let them decide
			[13:00] <@[bsod]> there we go everyone... a point of view from a candidate in our crappy little state chan
			[13:00] <@[bsod]> hehe
			[13:00] <+teamcoltra> It's funny that the same members who boo at TUEBL cheer on Jill Stein who breaks just laws just to get attention for herself.
			[13:00] <@[bsod]> im guessing spendidspoon is busy today then
			[13:01] <@mildbeard> personally I think tuebl is a non-issue.
			[13:01] <@[bsod]> i like tuebl, i just think the owner is a bit crass
			[13:01] <+teamcoltra> mildbeard also (and I am not ass kissing) I really like your pirate insurrection idea (dislike the name)
			[13:01] <@[bsod]> haha, j/k
			[13:02] <+teamcoltra> I feel that what you are trying to achieve is exactly what the Tuesday meetings were roughly supposed to achieve as well
			[13:02] <+teamcoltra> (another thing that Kusi was responsible for, and didn't do)
			[13:02] <@[bsod]> i used to see splendidspoon all the time on telecomix irc, cept its been under ddos for well over a month now and alot of people havent joined since
			[13:02] <@mildbeard> teamcoltra - that's almost too bad. I was hoping to stir things up. Maybe we can get a controversy going in an effort to attract interest.
			[13:03] <+teamcoltra> mildbeard :D If you want I can fight you on it, but as you (I am guessing mockingly) said -- it is very much within my "be bold" policy
			[13:03] <+teamcoltra> When I keep encouraging people to be bold, that's what I want is for them to go against the grain and try to make the party on their own without needing to ask permission
			[13:03] <@[bsod]> pfft, democracy
			[13:04] <@mildbeard> I think being bold is an outstanding idea. I always say it's better to ask forgiveness than permission. I always back down if my idea turns out to be a bad one.
			[13:04] <@[bsod]> when the crazy guy takes over, im out
			[13:04] <@[bsod]> travis thinks the party should be another leftist party, partly because america lacks one
			[13:04] <+teamcoltra> My concern, again, is that Kusi hates the be bold policy. She constantly tries to ensure that she has control of everything. She yelled at me for trying to start a buffalo party without going through her first.
			[13:05] <@[bsod]> those comparisons seem petty, stick to issues, defend your site
			[13:05] <@[bsod]> she lacks a coherrent platform to run on other than the site
			[13:05] <@[bsod]> (i think)
			[13:06] <+teamcoltra> We are a party based on social democratic values, I have had the conversation with Rick many times. The reason the Swedish Pirate Party was able to have so few platforms is that they already have a fairly decent social democracy in place, they didn't need to fight for those things
			[13:06] <@[bsod]> does she have a new platform yet?
			[13:06] <@mildbeard> That's very interesting.
			[13:06] <@[bsod]> in my country, we do not have fairly decent social issues
			[13:06] <+teamcoltra> This will be either my selling point or my downfall -- but I truly believe that it is both the key to our success, and the best humanitarian thing for us to be is to be the social democratic choice in the United States. It works in Canada and Australia where they have 3 parties in a FPTP election system
			[13:07] <@[bsod]> we have a party to represent the upper middle class, and a party to represent the rich
			[13:07] <@[bsod]> the right is over represented in a 2 party system, in a democracy, the right typically represents 20% of the vote... enough to get some seats...
			[13:07] <+teamcoltra> Also during the "Rumble" John Stewart identified himself as a social democrat and said we are a social democratic country now and we need politicans to admit that. I am not saying we should cater to John Stewart but I am clearly not alone in my belief that America is ready for it
			[13:07] <@mildbeard> teamcoltra, do you know if there's going to be an email or something from the candidates with position statements? I haven't seen anything, and I think jokeefe's question is a good one.
			[13:08] <+teamcoltra> Did I miss a question? I would love to have some form of debate with Kusi
			[13:08] <@[bsod]> whos jokeefe ?
			[13:08] <@[bsod]> hehe
			[13:08] <+teamcoltra> Jamie
			[13:09] <+davidd> did you see nancy pelosi interview on tds?
			[13:09] <@jokeefe> sorry, pulled to test something
			[13:09] <@[bsod]> ha, the man from half way around the world is still following us politics
			[13:09] <+davidd> he was totaly passive
			[13:09] <@[bsod]> i didnt
			[13:09] <+davidd> i also downloaded the rumble the day after
			[13:09] <@[bsod]> hows the pvv doing ?
			[13:09] <@[bsod]> i mean ppv
			[13:10] <+davidd> pvv the antiislam party was shrunk
			[13:10] <+davidd> from 27 back to 15
			[13:10] <@[bsod]> would you say the extreme right represents 50% of the people?
			[13:10] <+teamcoltra> Also being America's Social Democratic party gives us the one thing you need in a FPTP system: people to think you can win. They can look to Canadian politics and see that a social democratic party can win. If people think you can win, then they don't feel that they are wasting their vote and then they will vote for you. Again, we still need to start at the grassroots, and get local candidates elected... but if we try to make
			[13:10] <+teamcoltra> everyone happy, then we are not going ot make anyone happy in the end.
			[13:10] <@[bsod]> you'd be suprised how clusless and disconnected the electorate is in the US
			[13:11] <+teamcoltra> :P No, I wouldn't be. I have a fairly good idea.
			[13:11] <+davidd> it wont be long before US-ians will believe that pp can win
			[13:11] <+davidd> pp mexico is starting up
			[13:11] <@[bsod]> parabiens!
			[13:11] <+davidd> canada is doing ok
			[13:11] <@[bsod]> canada was voted most active on irc
			[13:11] <@mildbeard> I think we should be the party of evidence-based policy. There's a lot of evidence for socially progressive and economically progressive policies.
			[13:11] <@mildbeard> http://www.ted.com/talks/richard_wilkinson.html
			[13:11] <@[bsod]> but holland seems fairly busy
			[13:11] <@mildbeard> Did anyone ever watch that video?
			[13:11] <+teamcoltra> I also served as the deputy leader of PPCA and actually stepped down to be captain of the USPP
			[13:11] <@mildbeard> It's pretty staggering.
			[13:12] <@[bsod]> k`tetch was big on pushing evidence based policy
			[13:12] <+teamcoltra> I am still their International Coordinator and I am working to do more with USPP/PPCA so that we can maximize our volunteers.
			[13:12] <+teamcoltra> I agree with you mildbeard
			[13:12] <@[bsod]> i mean... the evidence might show that if you pass a law that coincidentally kills all the fat people, healthcare costs will go down
			[13:13] <@mildbeard> [bsod] that's why you don't just leave it to some computer program. You need the best possible people to weigh the evidence.
			[13:13] <@[bsod]> guess what 30,000 americans do every day
			[13:13] <@[bsod]> die
			[13:14] <@[bsod]> a small city wiped out daily
			[13:14] <@[bsod]> and those who dont make it, dont get herd, and never vote
			[13:14] <+teamcoltra> I am also helping start the Ontario Pirate Party since it costs $40 RT to get from here to TO. I have a lot of experience with local, provincial, state, and national leadership.
			[13:14] <@[bsod]> are you in northern new york state?
			[13:14] <@[bsod]> $40 seems cheap from new york city
			[13:17] <+teamcoltra> I moved to Buffalo specifically so I could be close
			[13:17] <@[bsod]> thats a nice spot
			[13:17] <@[bsod]> its like dirtier ontario
			[13:17] <@[bsod]> i mean toronto
			[13:17] <+teamcoltra> I live in a nicer part of Buffalo
			[13:17] <@[bsod]> i have to go all, tell jokeefe sry i didnt wait til the end when i come back
			[13:18] <@mildbeard> Buffalo is great if you love watching your local team lose to Tom Brady :).
			[13:18] <@[bsod]> if anyone wants to yell at me for being a dumbass, ive moved #activepolitic to this server, its got news feeds and chat
			[13:18] <+teamcoltra> mildbeard psh sports
			[13:18] <@[bsod]> i idle all the time but am at the puter atleast once a day
			[13:18] <+teamcoltra> But yeah, I think it would be important to have some kind of debate or something between kusi and I -- maybe this weekend
			[13:18] <@[bsod]> cyas
			[13:18] <+teamcoltra> but please don't discount me due to my lack of vagina.
			[13:19] <@mildbeard> lmso
			[13:19] == [bsod] [~bsod@xx.pirate] has left #masspirates []
			[13:19] <@mildbeard> np just sit with your legs crossed.
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			[13:19] <+teamcoltra> I can pee while sitting if it helps
			[13:19] <@mildbeard> Seriously, we'd love to see a debate or at least some kind of position statements.
			[13:22] <+teamcoltra> Maybe I will throw down the gauntlet in the SAB list and ask for a debate this weekend
			[13:22] <@mildbeard> awesome, thanks
			[13:22] <@mildbeard> maybe respondents can submit questions.
			[13:22] <+teamcoltra> mildbeard you want to "moderate"?
			[13:23] <@mildbeard> sure np. I can be objective if nobody objects to me.

Jokeefe at 17:01, 1 November 2012

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== Agenda ==

1. Decisions on ballot questions
* QUESTION 1: Availability of Motor Vehicle Repair Information
* QUESTION 2: Prescribing Medication to End Life
* QUESTION 3: Medical Use of Marijuana
2. National party update

== Quick Notes / Summaries Re Proposed Bills to be Discussed: ==

1. Decisions on ballot questions
* [http://www.sec.state.ma.us/ele/ele12/ballot_questions_12/quest_1.htm QUESTION 1: Availability of Motor Vehicle Repair Information]
* [http://www.sec.state.ma.us/ele/ele12/ballot_questions_12/quest_2.htm QUESTION 2: Prescribing Medication to End Life]
* [http://www.sec.state.ma.us/ele/ele12/ballot_questions_12/quest_3.htm QUESTION 3: Medical Use of Marijuana]

2. Ballot Questions, Platform, LQFB

== Attending ==

Place holders

* jokeefe - James O'Keefe, Somerville
* srevilak - Steve Revilak
* SplendidSpoon - Lauren Pespisa, Boxboro/Cambridge
* mildbeard - Erik Zoltan, Framingham

Observers:

* passstab
* [bsod]
* cmal
* teamcoltra

== Summary ==

2. Ballot Questions, Platform, LQFB

1. Decisions on ballot questions
* QUESTION 1: Availability of Motor Vehicle Repair Information
* QUESTION 2: Prescribing Medication to End Life
* QUESTION 3: Medical Use of Marijuana
2. National party update

== Meeting Minutes ==

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