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== Review ==
== Review ==
=== Museum of Science Cryptoparty ===
=== MassMesh Tech Meeting ===


== Decisions/Endorsements ==
== Decisions/Endorsements ==


=== S.2823 - A bill to modernize copyright law, and for other purposes ===
* Oppose the [https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/5698 Protect and Serve Act of 2018]? - [http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2018/roll188.xml Entire MA Delegation voted for it].
 
[https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/senate-bill/2823?q=%7B%22search%22%3A%5B%22S.+2823%22%5D%7D&r=1 S.2823] would extend some cherry-picked parts of federal copyright to cover sound recordings made between 1923 and 1972, which are currently covered only by a patchwork of state laws. It would force streaming services to get licenses for those recordings, even though all that does is create a new subsidy for rightsholders (which are usually record labels and not artists) and make it harder for music fans to listen to old recordings.  [https://act.eff.org/action/stop-another-expansion-of-copyright-tell-the-senate-to-vote-no-on-s-2823 EFF action page]
 
The House Bill is [https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/3301/all-info?r=1 H.3301] which doesn't appear to have been approved yet.
 
Now would be a good time to oppose these bills, make a petition and meet with MA House Reps. and Senators.
 
=== Free Reality Winner ===


== Projects ==
== Projects ==


=== Statements ===
=== Statements ===
* S.2823 - A bill to modernize copyright law, and for other purposes - posted. jokeefe will create petition
* Free Reality Winner - Approved. jokeefe will write a statement
* US S.1241 - Combating Money Laundering, Terrorist Financing, and Counterfeiting Act of 2017 - Approved our opposition to S.1241. Need statement (Joe)
* MA [https://malegislature.gov/Bills/190/H3641/ Bill H.3641: An Act relative to electronic tolling] - Approved our opposition to it. Past position is to remove the tolls on the Pike since it has long been paid for. Bill did not get out of committee (jokeefe)


=== Video Newsletter ===
=== Video Newsletter ===
Week in review set for Sunday. What time?


=== Party Conference ===
=== Party Conference ===
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https://piratenpad.de/p/MassPiratesComputerDonations
https://piratenpad.de/p/MassPiratesComputerDonations
== Statements In Process ==
* MA [https://malegislature.gov/Bills/190/H3641/ Bill H.3641: An Act relative to electronic tolling] - Approved our opposition to it. Past position is to remove the tolls on the Pike since it has long been paid for.
* US S.1241 - Combating Money Laundering, Terrorist Financing, and Counterfeiting Act of 2017 - Approved our opposition to S.1241. Need statement (Joe)


== Other To Dos ==
== Other To Dos ==
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== Participants ==
== Participants ==


* jokeefe: James O’Keefe, Somerville
* Pirate_Joe: Joseph Onoroski,Lowell
* hvxgr_: Tom Rodman / Milwaukee




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[9:00pm] jokeefe: Agenda: https://masspirates.org/wiki/May_22nd,_2018_IRC_Meeting
[9:00pm] jokeefe: ids
[9:00pm] jokeefe: James O’Keefe, Somerville
[9:01pm] Pirate_Joe: Joseph Onoroski,Lowell
[9:01pm] hvxgr_: Tom Rodman / Milwaukee
[9:03pm] jokeefe: Anything to add?
[9:03pm] jokeefe: I added the Oppose the Protect and Serve Act of 2018?
[9:04pm] hvxgr_: How about a quick explanation/comparison of civi crm vs nationbuilder (I'm sorta being forced to learn nationbuilder).
[9:05pm] jokeefe: ok
[9:05pm] jokeefe: CiviCRM is libre software that you own and deploy on a server you control
[9:06pm] jokeefe: all the data is under your control
[9:06pm] jokeefe: nationbuilder is offered by a third party. You pay for the service. Less maintenance, but they get to use your data.
[9:06pm] jokeefe: features are similar.
[9:07pm] jokeefe: is that enough of an explantion?
[9:07pm] hvxgr_: Does it support the "mail blast" approach where peoples clicks in response to mass emailings update a people or event datbase?
[9:07pm] jokeefe: Yes
[9:07pm] jokeefe: We use it for our mailing list and events campaigns etc.
[9:08pm] hvxgr_: I suggested civicrm, and would lean that way, but two groups I'm involved with went w/ nb.
[9:08pm] jokeefe: Yeah noticed that Greens tend to do that.
[9:08pm] hvxgr_: That's enough/thx.
[9:08pm] jokeefe: Review - Joe any thoughts on the video
[9:09pm] Pirate_Joe: I have not had time to watch it but I enjoyed making it.
[9:10pm] Pirate_Joe: I am sorry that I had to play devils advocate but that would be easier if we had some guess that did not share our point of view
[9:11pm] Pirate_Joe: having a nice long vid was a nice change since we were able to hit a lot of points though
[9:11pm] jokeefe: Good to have views challenged.
[9:11pm] jokeefe: I like shorter videos myself, but it was fun.
[9:11pm] jokeefe: Decisions/Endorsements
[9:11pm] Pirate_Joe: I have my son until late today but tomorrow I'll have a change to review and send out the challenges
[9:12pm] jokeefe: Thanks.
[9:12pm] jokeefe: The House voted for the Protect and Serve Act of 2018. I believe that everyone in the MA delegation voted for it.
[9:13pm] jokeefe: It would make police a protected class if they are harmed.
[9:13pm] jokeefe: https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/5698
[9:14pm] jokeefe: It looks like another tool prosecutors can use to get people to plea instead of going to trial
[9:14pm] jokeefe: It is pretty short
[9:15pm] jokeefe: only applies to Federal law enforcement officers
[9:15pm] Pirate_Joe: just wait, it will filter down
[9:16pm] jokeefe: DEA, FBI, marshall service, etc.
[9:16pm] jokeefe: no doubt. wouldn’t take a lot of edits to change it to apply more broadly
[9:16pm] jokeefe: though that might make it more subject to challenge, maybe
[9:16pm] Pirate_Joe: thing is that it's a good deal of pointless laws, since attacking anyone is illegal
[9:17pm] Pirate_Joe: like the difference between a yellow light and a red. They actually mean the same thing on the books
[9:17pm] jokeefe: yeah, but it increases the punishment
[9:18pm] jokeefe: thoughts on opposing it?
[9:18pm] Pirate_Joe: we could but
[9:19pm] Pirate_Joe: it's a bit pointless.  It's more of a law that is in place so that it looks like congress is doing something, at least that's my take away from it
[9:19pm] Pirate_Joe: quick, look busy, the boss is watching
[9:19pm] Pirate_Joe: crime vs fed agents is pretty low tbh
[9:20pm] jokeefe: I expect it will be used especially by Sessions DOJ
[9:21pm] Pirate_Joe: I'm sure there will be some that exploit it. I am opposed to it though since I am fully against pointless laws
[9:23pm] Pirate_Joe: The point of law is to be a social contract to be upheld by all citizens. If we make it so convoluted that know one understands it then everyone will be breaking it
[9:26pm] jokeefe: sounds like you should write the statement
[9:27pm] Pirate_Joe: lol, I still owe you a statement from an old one we opposed
[9:29pm] jokeefe: Think this is more pressing
[9:29pm] Pirate_Joe: Not sure exactly when I can get to it, but if you want me to do it I will
[9:30pm] jokeefe: Even if it is we oppose because the point of law is to be a social contract to be upheld by all citizens. If we make it so convoluted that know one understands it then everyone will be breaking it. …
[9:30pm] jokeefe: short and sweet
[9:31pm] jokeefe: send to the list and we can edit it and decide next meeting?
[9:31pm] Pirate_Joe: I am against protecting any one group anyways. We ALL should be protected together no matter race, sex, sexual pref, etc
[9:31pm] Pirate_Joe: Mind if I send it to you?
[9:31pm] Pirate_Joe: Let you get in some last minute edits if required?
[9:33pm] jokeefe: ok
[9:34pm] Pirate_Joe: Ok, I should be able to work on it after I get to the video tomorrow night
[9:34pm] jokeefe: ok
[9:34pm] jokeefe: Projects
[9:35pm] jokeefe: Bunch of statements in progress, plus two Malt wrote that I will get up on the site.
[9:35pm] jokeefe: Video Newsletter - When should we have the next one and what form should it take?
[9:37pm] Pirate_Joe: We should do the next few as small videos, 5 to 10 minutes
[9:37pm] Pirate_Joe: I was thinking of doing a crypto vid next on the basic of internet safety
[9:38pm] Pirate_Joe: Things that all kids should know about protecting themselves online
[9:39pm] jokeefe: sounds good. Could refine my slides from the mos cryptoparty
[9:39pm] jokeefe: but keep it focused on a few topics
[9:39pm] Pirate_Joe: The first one we really should do the basics for kids online.
[9:40pm] Pirate_Joe: Then more advanced stuff like what sites to buy from and which ones you shouldn't. etc.
[9:40pm] jokeefe: will put up a list of things to discuss and email for review
[9:41pm] Pirate_Joe: Sounds good.
[9:42pm] jokeefe: will promote the Party Conference survey more in the next email newsletter
[9:43pm] Pirate_Joe: ok
[9:44pm] jokeefe: that is all I have for now
[9:45pm] jokeefe: anything to add?
[9:45pm] Pirate_Joe: I have something that I realized from the vid last night
[9:45pm] Pirate_Joe: We have cars that stop even if you fail to do so in time
[9:45pm] Pirate_Joe: Then why do we have ubers running people over?
[9:46pm] Pirate_Joe: Just a thought, I have nothing else to add
[9:46pm] Pirate_Joe: Motion to Adjourn?
[9:47pm] jokeefe: they disabled the volvo’s anti-crash feature and their software was tuned to ignore too many false positives
[9:47pm] jokeefe: 2nd
[9:47pm] jokeefe: all in favor?
[9:47pm] hvxgr_: aye
[9:47pm] Pirate_Joe: Aye
[9:47pm] jokeefe: aye
[9:47pm] jokeefe: let me find the link
[9:47pm] Pirate_Joe: Thanks
[9:48pm] jokeefe: https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2018/05/report-software-bug-led-to-death-in-ubers-self-driving-crash/
[9:48pm] jokeefe: “Sensors detected Elaine Herzberg, but software reportedly decided to ignore her"
[9:48pm] jokeefe: I’ll post the notes




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Latest revision as of 20:49, 22 May 2018

Review

Decisions/Endorsements

Projects

Statements

  • S.2823 - A bill to modernize copyright law, and for other purposes - posted. jokeefe will create petition
  • Free Reality Winner - Approved. jokeefe will write a statement
  • US S.1241 - Combating Money Laundering, Terrorist Financing, and Counterfeiting Act of 2017 - Approved our opposition to S.1241. Need statement (Joe)
  • MA Bill H.3641: An Act relative to electronic tolling - Approved our opposition to it. Past position is to remove the tolls on the Pike since it has long been paid for. Bill did not get out of committee (jokeefe)

Video Newsletter

Party Conference

Computer Donations

https://piratenpad.de/p/MassPiratesComputerDonations

Other To Dos

FOSS Tutorials

Worcester farm group is interested in having some FOSS tutorials. Perhaps:

  • how to do basic labels in GIMP,
  • work through a few sample spreadsheets related to seed cost and
  • similarly applicable real-world situations, depending on the needs of the group

Basically how to do graph design & product management with open source tools. Malt will put together a one paragraph description of what we need and we can mail it out to ask pirates to help.

Tech/Outreach

  • email Loomio invite to supporters (jokeefe)
  • set up torrents for PirateCon videos (creynolds)
  • post remaining audio for PirateCon talks (srevilak)
  • finish setup of myBB (jokeefe)
  • install slack alternative (jokeefe)

Upcoming Events

  • 5/22, 7-9pm, Mass MeshNet Tech Meeting, Industry Lab, 288 Norfolk St, Cambridge
  • 5/29, 7-9pm, Mass MeshNet Tech Meeting, Industry Lab, 288 Norfolk St, Cambridge
  • 5/30, 6-9pm, Somerville Cryptoparty, The Sprouts, 339R Summer Street, Somerville
  • 6/5, 7-9pm, Mass MeshNet Tech Meeting, Industry Lab, 288 Norfolk St, Cambridge
  • 6/7, 6pm, Mass MeshNet General Meeting, Industry Lab, 288 Norfolk St, Cambridge
  • 6/12, 7-9pm, Mass MeshNet Tech Meeting, Industry Lab, 288 Norfolk St, Cambridge
  • 6/19, 7-9pm, Mass MeshNet Tech Meeting, Industry Lab, 288 Norfolk St, Cambridge
  • 6/26, 7-9pm, Mass MeshNet Tech Meeting, Industry Lab, 288 Norfolk St, Cambridge
  • 6/27, 6-9pm, Somerville Cryptoparty, The Sprouts, 339R Summer Street, Somerville
  • Cambridge Pirate Meetup
  • Democracy/IT meeting. Email info@masspirates.org for the location
  • Somerville Pirate Meetup

Participants

  • jokeefe: James O’Keefe, Somerville
  • Pirate_Joe: Joseph Onoroski,Lowell
  • hvxgr_: Tom Rodman / Milwaukee


Observers

  • ChanServ
  • igel
  • hvxgr

Summary

Minutes

 


[9:00pm] jokeefe: Agenda: https://masspirates.org/wiki/May_22nd,_2018_IRC_Meeting
[9:00pm] jokeefe: ids
[9:00pm] jokeefe: James O’Keefe, Somerville
[9:01pm] Pirate_Joe: Joseph Onoroski,Lowell
[9:01pm] hvxgr_: Tom Rodman / Milwaukee
[9:03pm] jokeefe: Anything to add?
[9:03pm] jokeefe: I added the Oppose the Protect and Serve Act of 2018?
[9:04pm] hvxgr_: How about a quick explanation/comparison of civi crm vs nationbuilder (I'm sorta being forced to learn nationbuilder).
[9:05pm] jokeefe: ok
[9:05pm] jokeefe: CiviCRM is libre software that you own and deploy on a server you control
[9:06pm] jokeefe: all the data is under your control
[9:06pm] jokeefe: nationbuilder is offered by a third party. You pay for the service. Less maintenance, but they get to use your data.
[9:06pm] jokeefe: features are similar.
[9:07pm] jokeefe: is that enough of an explantion?
[9:07pm] hvxgr_: Does it support the "mail blast" approach where peoples clicks in response to mass emailings update a people or event datbase?
[9:07pm] jokeefe: Yes
[9:07pm] jokeefe: We use it for our mailing list and events campaigns etc.
[9:08pm] hvxgr_: I suggested civicrm, and would lean that way, but two groups I'm involved with went w/ nb.
[9:08pm] jokeefe: Yeah noticed that Greens tend to do that.
[9:08pm] hvxgr_: That's enough/thx.
[9:08pm] jokeefe: Review - Joe any thoughts on the video
[9:09pm] Pirate_Joe: I have not had time to watch it but I enjoyed making it.
[9:10pm] Pirate_Joe: I am sorry that I had to play devils advocate but that would be easier if we had some guess that did not share our point of view
[9:11pm] Pirate_Joe: having a nice long vid was a nice change since we were able to hit a lot of points though
[9:11pm] jokeefe: Good to have views challenged.
[9:11pm] jokeefe: I like shorter videos myself, but it was fun.
[9:11pm] jokeefe: Decisions/Endorsements
[9:11pm] Pirate_Joe: I have my son until late today but tomorrow I'll have a change to review and send out the challenges
[9:12pm] jokeefe: Thanks.
[9:12pm] jokeefe: The House voted for the Protect and Serve Act of 2018. I believe that everyone in the MA delegation voted for it.
[9:13pm] jokeefe: It would make police a protected class if they are harmed.
[9:13pm] jokeefe: https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/5698
[9:14pm] jokeefe: It looks like another tool prosecutors can use to get people to plea instead of going to trial
[9:14pm] jokeefe: It is pretty short
[9:15pm] jokeefe: only applies to Federal law enforcement officers
[9:15pm] Pirate_Joe: just wait, it will filter down
[9:16pm] jokeefe: DEA, FBI, marshall service, etc.
[9:16pm] jokeefe: no doubt. wouldn’t take a lot of edits to change it to apply more broadly
[9:16pm] jokeefe: though that might make it more subject to challenge, maybe
[9:16pm] Pirate_Joe: thing is that it's a good deal of pointless laws, since attacking anyone is illegal
[9:17pm] Pirate_Joe: like the difference between a yellow light and a red. They actually mean the same thing on the books
[9:17pm] jokeefe: yeah, but it increases the punishment
[9:18pm] jokeefe: thoughts on opposing it?
[9:18pm] Pirate_Joe: we could but
[9:19pm] Pirate_Joe: it's a bit pointless.  It's more of a law that is in place so that it looks like congress is doing something, at least that's my take away from it
[9:19pm] Pirate_Joe: quick, look busy, the boss is watching
[9:19pm] Pirate_Joe: crime vs fed agents is pretty low tbh
[9:20pm] jokeefe: I expect it will be used especially by Sessions DOJ
[9:21pm] Pirate_Joe: I'm sure there will be some that exploit it. I am opposed to it though since I am fully against pointless laws
[9:23pm] Pirate_Joe: The point of law is to be a social contract to be upheld by all citizens. If we make it so convoluted that know one understands it then everyone will be breaking it
[9:26pm] jokeefe: sounds like you should write the statement
[9:27pm] Pirate_Joe: lol, I still owe you a statement from an old one we opposed
[9:29pm] jokeefe: Think this is more pressing
[9:29pm] Pirate_Joe: Not sure exactly when I can get to it, but if you want me to do it I will
[9:30pm] jokeefe: Even if it is we oppose because the point of law is to be a social contract to be upheld by all citizens. If we make it so convoluted that know one understands it then everyone will be breaking it. …
[9:30pm] jokeefe: short and sweet
[9:31pm] jokeefe: send to the list and we can edit it and decide next meeting?
[9:31pm] Pirate_Joe: I am against protecting any one group anyways. We ALL should be protected together no matter race, sex, sexual pref, etc
[9:31pm] Pirate_Joe: Mind if I send it to you?
[9:31pm] Pirate_Joe: Let you get in some last minute edits if required?
[9:33pm] jokeefe: ok
[9:34pm] Pirate_Joe: Ok, I should be able to work on it after I get to the video tomorrow night
[9:34pm] jokeefe: ok
[9:34pm] jokeefe: Projects
[9:35pm] jokeefe: Bunch of statements in progress, plus two Malt wrote that I will get up on the site.
[9:35pm] jokeefe: Video Newsletter - When should we have the next one and what form should it take?
[9:37pm] Pirate_Joe: We should do the next few as small videos, 5 to 10 minutes
[9:37pm] Pirate_Joe: I was thinking of doing a crypto vid next on the basic of internet safety
[9:38pm] Pirate_Joe: Things that all kids should know about protecting themselves online
[9:39pm] jokeefe: sounds good. Could refine my slides from the mos cryptoparty
[9:39pm] jokeefe: but keep it focused on a few topics
[9:39pm] Pirate_Joe: The first one we really should do the basics for kids online.
[9:40pm] Pirate_Joe: Then more advanced stuff like what sites to buy from and which ones you shouldn't. etc.
[9:40pm] jokeefe: will put up a list of things to discuss and email for review
[9:41pm] Pirate_Joe: Sounds good.
[9:42pm] jokeefe: will promote the Party Conference survey more in the next email newsletter
[9:43pm] Pirate_Joe: ok
[9:44pm] jokeefe: that is all I have for now
[9:45pm] jokeefe: anything to add?
[9:45pm] Pirate_Joe: I have something that I realized from the vid last night
[9:45pm] Pirate_Joe: We have cars that stop even if you fail to do so in time
[9:45pm] Pirate_Joe: Then why do we have ubers running people over?
[9:46pm] Pirate_Joe: Just a thought, I have nothing else to add
[9:46pm] Pirate_Joe: Motion to Adjourn?
[9:47pm] jokeefe: they disabled the volvo’s anti-crash feature and their software was tuned to ignore too many false positives
[9:47pm] jokeefe: 2nd
[9:47pm] jokeefe: all in favor?
[9:47pm] hvxgr_: aye
[9:47pm] Pirate_Joe: Aye
[9:47pm] jokeefe: aye
[9:47pm] jokeefe: let me find the link
[9:47pm] Pirate_Joe: Thanks
[9:48pm] jokeefe: https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2018/05/report-software-bug-led-to-death-in-ubers-self-driving-crash/
[9:48pm] jokeefe: “Sensors detected Elaine Herzberg, but software reportedly decided to ignore her"
[9:48pm] jokeefe: I’ll post the notes
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