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== Participants ==
== Participants ==


* igel_: william fleurant, arlington
* Pirate_Joe: Joseph Onoroski, Lowell
* jokeefe: James O’Keefe, Somerville
* malt: samuel capradae, worcester


=== Observers ===
=== Observers ===


* igel[m]
* davidd
* davidd
* Deffy
* Deffy
* haskal[m]
* MikaelaSuomalainen
* ChanServ
* ChanServ


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[9:08pm] jokeefe: Agenda: https://masspirates.org/wiki/January_8th,_2020_IRC_Meeting
[9:08pm] jokeefe: ids
[9:08pm] igel_: william fleurant, arlington
[9:08pm] Pirate_Joe: Joseph Onoroski, Lowell
[9:08pm] jokeefe: James O’Keefe, Somerville
[9:08pm] jokeefe: ahoy malt
[9:09pm] jokeefe: anything to add/change?
[9:10pm] Pirate_Joe: Aye, but for next week's agenda.
[9:10pm] Pirate_Joe: May I present it to you at the end?
[9:10pm] jokeefe: sure
[9:10pm] jokeefe: Decisions/Endorsements
[9:11pm] jokeefe: Restore the 4th and several other groups found out that the FBI has been watching them.
[9:12pm] jokeefe: Someone filed a FOIA with them asking for documents they had on various groups
[9:12pm] malt: norhing to add
[9:12pm] malt: that's fucking wild!
[9:13pm] jokeefe: initially they said they nothing, but the person filed an appeal
[9:13pm] jokeefe: the appeal came back with a few orgs with a “cannot confirm or deny we have docs”
[9:14pm] jokeefe: including Restore the 4th
[9:14pm] igel_: This cycle, we’re analyzing candidates’ track records and statements with respect to seven factors: (a) NSA surveillance; (b) FBI surveillance of domestic dissent; (c) DHS border surveillance; (d) police accountability; (e) commercial privacy and online publisher liability; (f) encryption; and (g) attitude to national security whistleblowers.
[9:14pm] igel_: via https://restorethe4th.com/
[9:14pm] igel_: A / A- : Tulsi Gabbard : Bernie Sanders : Elizabeth Warren
[9:14pm] igel_: B+ / B / B- : Beto O’Rourke : Cory Booker : Kamala Harris
[9:14pm] igel_: C+ / C / C- : Julian Castro : Pete Buttigieg : Andrew Yang
[9:14pm] igel_: D / D- : Amy Klobuchar : Joe Biden
[9:15pm] igel_: Unclassified: Tom Steyer
[9:15pm] malt: gabbard gets an A? huh.
[9:16pm] igel_: arguments: https://restorethe4th.com/how-the-2020-presidential-candidates-stack-up-on-the-surveillance-state/#Tulsi-Gabbard
[9:16pm] igel_: > She strongly supported the protesters at Standing Rock, and has argued for substantial demilitarization of the police
[9:17pm] jokeefe: anyhow they are writing a letter objecting to being spied on since they are exercising their constitutional rights
[9:17pm] jokeefe: and are looking for groups to sign on
[9:18pm] malt: we should deffo sign on
[9:18pm] malt: could we setup an automated script to help other groups FOIA request their own information?
[9:18pm] malt: to get an idea of how widespread this is?
[9:19pm] jokeefe: there were over 100 orgs. only about 8 did not receive a “we don’t have any docs” answer, but that is a good idea
[9:20pm] jokeefe: do others agree we should sign on?
[9:20pm] Pirate_Joe: Aye, I am curious if we made the list.
[9:21pm] jokeefe: we weren’t on the list
[9:21pm] jokeefe: but that doesn’t mean we couldn’t have our own request
[9:26pm] jokeefe: I can ask about it
[9:27pm] jokeefe: so we are in agreement to sign on ot the letter, and we should atleast file our own FOIA
[9:28pm] Pirate_Joe: Restore the fourth is in line with our commitment to individual's right to privacy, I think it is wise we show our solidarity with them.
[9:28pm] jokeefe: Amazon Ring Local PD partnerships
[9:28pm] jokeefe: It looks like a bunch of police departments have agreements with Amazon Ring
[9:29pm] jokeefe: Including Westfield, Malden and Haverhill
[9:30pm] igel_: id prefer more cameras aimed at police
[9:31pm] malt: that's fun and not orwellian at all
[9:31pm] malt: i;ve considered asking worcester to make public any discussion on that front but i've not really had a moment to write the appeal
[9:31pm] jokeefe: that would be good.
[9:32pm] malt: can we find the language other towns are using to pass bans
[9:32pm] malt: and put it on the blog as a template?
[9:33pm] Pirate_Joe: And send to SAB and Activist lists?
[9:33pm] jokeefe: The ACLU has a template, I believe
[9:34pm] jokeefe: I’ll find the list of towns
[9:36pm] jokeefe: Post a statement?
[9:36pm] malt: thanks!
[9:36pm] malt: sure
[9:36pm] Pirate_Joe: Please
[9:36pm] malt: on the dangers of the hardware and software?
[9:36pm] malt: I'll write it
[9:37pm] Pirate_Joe: <3 Malt
[9:37pm] jokeefe: thanks malt
[9:37pm] jokeefe: Here is the map: https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mid=1eYVDPh5itXq5acDT9b0BVeQwmESBa4cB&ll=42.64840642144983%2C-71.26610624563597&z=8
[9:38pm] jokeefe: Next Statement on War on Iran?
[9:39pm] jokeefe: (potential)
[9:39pm] Pirate_Joe: Looks like both sides are trying to deescalate
[9:39pm] malt: hope soooooo
[9:39pm] jokeefe: hopefully
[9:39pm] jokeefe: National is talking about issuing a statement
[9:39pm] Pirate_Joe: The fired missiles that didn't go off for the most part.
[9:39pm] jokeefe: could just sign on to it
[9:40pm] Pirate_Joe: They*
[9:40pm] Pirate_Joe: Seems like both sides are trying to save face tbh
[9:41pm] Pirate_Joe: There have been additional attacks but it does not look like it's directly from Iran
[9:44pm] jokeefe: so wait for National?
[9:44pm] Pirate_Joe: that is tonight, correct?
[9:45pm] jokeefe: no next wednesday
[9:46pm] Pirate_Joe: By then we could be left in the dust.  I move to tweet out something quick and in support of those whom have been hurt and killed in all attacks by all parties.
[9:47pm] Pirate_Joe: Including the plane shot down over Iran
[9:48pm] Pirate_Joe: https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/63-canadians-dead-iran-plane-crash-68141823
[9:49pm] malt: write one up? i doubt anyone would object
[9:49pm] jokeefe: Could have been a mechanical failure. too early to tell
[9:49pm] Pirate_Joe: I would be happy to send out a tweet tonight if you all agree.
[9:49pm] jokeefe: Seems strange they would shoot down an airliner that was purposefully traveling in their airspace from their air port
[9:50pm] jokeefe: Trying to move away from just tweeting. Could you post it on the blog?
[9:51pm] Pirate_Joe: On the mass pirate page?
[9:51pm] jokeefe: yes
[9:54pm] jokeefe: or you can send it to the list for comment.
[9:56pm] Pirate_Joe: I prefer to send to the list first, for corrections
[9:56pm] jokeefe: thanks
[9:56pm] Pirate_Joe: That and I do not think I ever accessed the blog on our page either
[9:56pm] jokeefe: The next two items can wait until next week.
[9:57pm] jokeefe: since they aren’t pressing
[9:57pm] jokeefe: Regional Meetings/Events
[9:57pm] jokeefe: Malt did you get a chance to look for a new location for the Worcester meetup?
[9:58pm] malt: was gonna check with a brewery called Revolution Pie & Pint
[9:58pm] jokeefe: got food?
[9:58pm] jokeefe: nevermind
[9:59pm] jokeefe: see the Pie
[9:59pm] jokeefe: sounds good
[9:59pm] malt: and beer!
[9:59pm] Pirate_Joe: Pie is good
[9:59pm] malt: they're kinda. . . fancy. . . though
[9:59pm] malt: gonna check costs
[9:59pm] malt: theres a sliiiim chance the library will be available
[9:59pm] Pirate_Joe: We are at time
[10:00pm] jokeefe: thanks malt
[10:00pm] jokeefe: we are at time.
[10:00pm] jokeefe: shall we adjourn?
[10:00pm] Pirate_Joe: May I propose the two items for next week's agenda?
[10:00pm] Pirate_Joe: then move to adjourn?
[10:00pm] jokeefe: sure
[10:01pm] Pirate_Joe: There are two org's I would like to discuss next week
[10:01pm] Pirate_Joe: First is https://www.helpsteps.com/hs/home/#/
[10:01pm] Pirate_Joe: which is MA's 211
[10:01pm] Pirate_Joe: And the org that sponcers them, United Way
[10:01pm] Pirate_Joe: Sponsors*
[10:02pm] Pirate_Joe: https://unitedwaymassbay.org/about/
[10:02pm] malt: neat
[10:02pm] malt: UW does a lot
[10:02pm] Pirate_Joe: It does
[10:03pm] Pirate_Joe: Motion to adjourn.
[10:03pm] jokeefe: Will add them
[10:03pm] jokeefe: 2nd
[10:03pm] Pirate_Joe: Thank you
[10:03pm] jokeefe: all in favor?
[10:03pm] Pirate_Joe: Aye
[10:04pm] jokeefe: aye
[10:04pm] malt: night!
[10:04pm] jokeefe: aye
[10:04pm] malt left the chat room. (Quit: https://webchat.pirateirc.net/)
[10:04pm] jokeefe: good night all


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Latest revision as of 22:07, 8 January 2020

Review

Decisions/Endorsements

Projects

Goals for Q1 2020:

  • Organize meetups
  • Organize Fundraiser
  • Organize candidate trainings
  • Revise platform

Lobby Day for S.899 (An Act relative to forfeiture reform)

  • post announcement (jokeefe)
  • setup sign up sheet (jokeefe)
  • setup FB event (jokeefe)
  • post announcement (jokeefe)
  • email announcement (jokeefe)

Regional Meetings/Events

Leader: jokeefe

  • Worcester (Malt)
  • Boston (jokeefe)

Video Newsletter

Leader: Joseph

  • Next pirate news recording?

Democracy and Dogfood (Tech)

Next meeting will be in February. Topics are:

  • find discussion/voting system;
  • update CCTV cameras to include older cameras outside North America we didn't include;
  • write an app to record the location/ownership of CCTV cameras;
  • set up torrents for PirateCon videos (creynolds);
  • post remaining audio for PirateCon talks (srevilak).

Platform Discussion

Moved to 2020 Platform Discussion

Tabled Projects

National Party

Boston Sex Worker Petition

Computer Donations

FOSS Tutorials

Worcester farm group is interested in having some FOSS tutorials. Perhaps:

  • how to do basic labels in GIMP,
  • work through a few sample spreadsheets related to seed cost and
  • similarly applicable real-world situations, depending on the needs of the group

Basically how to do graph design & product management with open source tools. Malt will put together a one paragraph description of what we need and we can mail it out to ask pirates to help.

Fight bills to make the Film Credit Permanent

H.2419 would make the film tax credit permanent. It is supposed to expire in 2023. The bill has 100+ signatures this time around. jokeefe will submit testimony.

Upcoming Events

  • 1/14, 7-9pm, Mass MeshNet Tech Meeting, Democracy Center, Cambridge
  • 1/21, 10am-3pm, D4 lobby day for S.899 (An Act relative to forfeiture reform)
  • 1/21, 7-9pm, Mass MeshNet Tech Meeting, Encuentro 5, Boston
  • 1/28, 7-9pm, Mass MeshNet Tech Meeting
  • 2/?, 11am-1pm, Democracy and Dogfood (Tech) Meeting, Diesel Cafe, Somerville
  • 2/4, 7-9pm, Mass MeshNet Tech Meeting
  • 2/11, 7-9pm, Mass MeshNet Tech Meeting, Democracy Center, Cambridge
  • Spring 2020, ?, Springfield Meetup
  • Spring 2020, ?, Boston Meetup

Participants

  • igel_: william fleurant, arlington
  • Pirate_Joe: Joseph Onoroski, Lowell
  • jokeefe: James O’Keefe, Somerville
  • malt: samuel capradae, worcester

Observers

  • davidd
  • Deffy
  • ChanServ

Summary

Minutes

 


[9:08pm] jokeefe: Agenda: https://masspirates.org/wiki/January_8th,_2020_IRC_Meeting
[9:08pm] jokeefe: ids
[9:08pm] igel_: william fleurant, arlington
[9:08pm] Pirate_Joe: Joseph Onoroski, Lowell
[9:08pm] jokeefe: James O’Keefe, Somerville
[9:08pm] jokeefe: ahoy malt
[9:09pm] jokeefe: anything to add/change?
[9:10pm] Pirate_Joe: Aye, but for next week's agenda.
[9:10pm] Pirate_Joe: May I present it to you at the end?
[9:10pm] jokeefe: sure
[9:10pm] jokeefe: Decisions/Endorsements
[9:11pm] jokeefe: Restore the 4th and several other groups found out that the FBI has been watching them.
[9:12pm] jokeefe: Someone filed a FOIA with them asking for documents they had on various groups
[9:12pm] malt: norhing to add
[9:12pm] malt: that's fucking wild!
[9:13pm] jokeefe: initially they said they nothing, but the person filed an appeal
[9:13pm] jokeefe: the appeal came back with a few orgs with a “cannot confirm or deny we have docs”
[9:14pm] jokeefe: including Restore the 4th
[9:14pm] igel_: This cycle, we’re analyzing candidates’ track records and statements with respect to seven factors: (a) NSA surveillance; (b) FBI surveillance of domestic dissent; (c) DHS border surveillance; (d) police accountability; (e) commercial privacy and online publisher liability; (f) encryption; and (g) attitude to national security whistleblowers.
[9:14pm] igel_: via https://restorethe4th.com/
[9:14pm] igel_: A / A- : Tulsi Gabbard : Bernie Sanders : Elizabeth Warren
[9:14pm] igel_: B+ / B / B- : Beto O’Rourke : Cory Booker : Kamala Harris
[9:14pm] igel_: C+ / C / C- : Julian Castro : Pete Buttigieg : Andrew Yang
[9:14pm] igel_: D / D- : Amy Klobuchar : Joe Biden
[9:15pm] igel_: Unclassified: Tom Steyer
[9:15pm] malt: gabbard gets an A? huh.
[9:16pm] igel_: arguments: https://restorethe4th.com/how-the-2020-presidential-candidates-stack-up-on-the-surveillance-state/#Tulsi-Gabbard
[9:16pm] igel_: > She strongly supported the protesters at Standing Rock, and has argued for substantial demilitarization of the police
[9:17pm] jokeefe: anyhow they are writing a letter objecting to being spied on since they are exercising their constitutional rights
[9:17pm] jokeefe: and are looking for groups to sign on
[9:18pm] malt: we should deffo sign on
[9:18pm] malt: could we setup an automated script to help other groups FOIA request their own information?
[9:18pm] malt: to get an idea of how widespread this is?
[9:19pm] jokeefe: there were over 100 orgs. only about 8 did not receive a “we don’t have any docs” answer, but that is a good idea
[9:20pm] jokeefe: do others agree we should sign on?
[9:20pm] Pirate_Joe: Aye, I am curious if we made the list.
[9:21pm] jokeefe: we weren’t on the list
[9:21pm] jokeefe: but that doesn’t mean we couldn’t have our own request
[9:26pm] jokeefe: I can ask about it
[9:27pm] jokeefe: so we are in agreement to sign on ot the letter, and we should atleast file our own FOIA
[9:28pm] Pirate_Joe: Restore the fourth is in line with our commitment to individual's right to privacy, I think it is wise we show our solidarity with them.
[9:28pm] jokeefe: Amazon Ring Local PD partnerships
[9:28pm] jokeefe: It looks like a bunch of police departments have agreements with Amazon Ring
[9:29pm] jokeefe: Including Westfield, Malden and Haverhill
[9:30pm] igel_: id prefer more cameras aimed at police
[9:31pm] malt: that's fun and not orwellian at all
[9:31pm] malt: i;ve considered asking worcester to make public any discussion on that front but i've not really had a moment to write the appeal
[9:31pm] jokeefe: that would be good.
[9:32pm] malt: can we find the language other towns are using to pass bans
[9:32pm] malt: and put it on the blog as a template?
[9:33pm] Pirate_Joe: And send to SAB and Activist lists?
[9:33pm] jokeefe: The ACLU has a template, I believe
[9:34pm] jokeefe: I’ll find the list of towns
[9:36pm] jokeefe: Post a statement?
[9:36pm] malt: thanks!
[9:36pm] malt: sure
[9:36pm] Pirate_Joe: Please
[9:36pm] malt: on the dangers of the hardware and software?
[9:36pm] malt: I'll write it
[9:37pm] Pirate_Joe: <3 Malt
[9:37pm] jokeefe: thanks malt
[9:37pm] jokeefe: Here is the map: https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mid=1eYVDPh5itXq5acDT9b0BVeQwmESBa4cB&ll=42.64840642144983%2C-71.26610624563597&z=8
[9:38pm] jokeefe: Next Statement on War on Iran?
[9:39pm] jokeefe: (potential)
[9:39pm] Pirate_Joe: Looks like both sides are trying to deescalate
[9:39pm] malt: hope soooooo
[9:39pm] jokeefe: hopefully
[9:39pm] jokeefe: National is talking about issuing a statement
[9:39pm] Pirate_Joe: The fired missiles that didn't go off for the most part.
[9:39pm] jokeefe: could just sign on to it
[9:40pm] Pirate_Joe: They*
[9:40pm] Pirate_Joe: Seems like both sides are trying to save face tbh
[9:41pm] Pirate_Joe: There have been additional attacks but it does not look like it's directly from Iran
[9:44pm] jokeefe: so wait for National?
[9:44pm] Pirate_Joe: that is tonight, correct?
[9:45pm] jokeefe: no next wednesday
[9:46pm] Pirate_Joe: By then we could be left in the dust.  I move to tweet out something quick and in support of those whom have been hurt and killed in all attacks by all parties.
[9:47pm] Pirate_Joe: Including the plane shot down over Iran
[9:48pm] Pirate_Joe: https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/63-canadians-dead-iran-plane-crash-68141823
[9:49pm] malt: write one up? i doubt anyone would object
[9:49pm] jokeefe: Could have been a mechanical failure. too early to tell
[9:49pm] Pirate_Joe: I would be happy to send out a tweet tonight if you all agree.
[9:49pm] jokeefe: Seems strange they would shoot down an airliner that was purposefully traveling in their airspace from their air port
[9:50pm] jokeefe: Trying to move away from just tweeting. Could you post it on the blog?
[9:51pm] Pirate_Joe: On the mass pirate page?
[9:51pm] jokeefe: yes
[9:54pm] jokeefe: or you can send it to the list for comment.
[9:56pm] Pirate_Joe: I prefer to send to the list first, for corrections
[9:56pm] jokeefe: thanks
[9:56pm] Pirate_Joe: That and I do not think I ever accessed the blog on our page either
[9:56pm] jokeefe: The next two items can wait until next week.
[9:57pm] jokeefe: since they aren’t pressing
[9:57pm] jokeefe: Regional Meetings/Events
[9:57pm] jokeefe: Malt did you get a chance to look for a new location for the Worcester meetup?
[9:58pm] malt: was gonna check with a brewery called Revolution Pie & Pint
[9:58pm] jokeefe: got food?
[9:58pm] jokeefe: nevermind
[9:59pm] jokeefe: see the Pie
[9:59pm] jokeefe: sounds good
[9:59pm] malt: and beer!
[9:59pm] Pirate_Joe: Pie is good
[9:59pm] malt: they're kinda. . . fancy. . . though
[9:59pm] malt: gonna check costs
[9:59pm] malt: theres a sliiiim chance the library will be available
[9:59pm] Pirate_Joe: We are at time
[10:00pm] jokeefe: thanks malt
[10:00pm] jokeefe: we are at time.
[10:00pm] jokeefe: shall we adjourn?
[10:00pm] Pirate_Joe: May I propose the two items for next week's agenda?
[10:00pm] Pirate_Joe: then move to adjourn?
[10:00pm] jokeefe: sure
[10:01pm] Pirate_Joe: There are two org's I would like to discuss next week
[10:01pm] Pirate_Joe: First is https://www.helpsteps.com/hs/home/#/
[10:01pm] Pirate_Joe: which is MA's 211
[10:01pm] Pirate_Joe: And the org that sponcers them, United Way
[10:01pm] Pirate_Joe: Sponsors*
[10:02pm] Pirate_Joe: https://unitedwaymassbay.org/about/
[10:02pm] malt: neat
[10:02pm] malt: UW does a lot
[10:02pm] Pirate_Joe: It does
[10:03pm] Pirate_Joe: Motion to adjourn.
[10:03pm] jokeefe: Will add them
[10:03pm] jokeefe: 2nd
[10:03pm] Pirate_Joe: Thank you
[10:03pm] jokeefe: all in favor?
[10:03pm] Pirate_Joe: Aye
[10:04pm] jokeefe: aye
[10:04pm] malt: night!
[10:04pm] jokeefe: aye
[10:04pm] malt left the chat room. (Quit: https://webchat.pirateirc.net/)
[10:04pm] jokeefe: good night all
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