January 31st, 2012 IRC Meeting

Agenda

1. Conference topics & speakers

2. Conference outreach

3. Budget review

4. Anything else others want to bring up.

Quick Notes / Summaries Re Proposed Bills to be Discussed:

Draft Budget at https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AkPs3eiAOk5mdFNGcE9ZOXpQNHJ4RVhrQzFtOWFzX1E&hl=en_US#gid=0

Attending

• bsod - http://activepolitic.com:82/
• GrimJack - mid-40s guy in MA who's been online, in one form or another, since my c=64 days in the 80s.
• jokeefe - James O'Keefe, Somerville
• wingedearth - Andrew A. Anissi, the ethereal plane, presently manifested in Boston in human form. yar.
• SplendidSpoon - Lauren Pespisa, live in Boxboro, work in Cambridge
• erixoltan - Erik Zoltan, Framingham
• laiv
• politux
• illunatic

Summary

1. Conference report

   page is up, people can register by making a donation, donation page is up

1. Conference topics & speakers

   a.  have one person who will be talking about open data initiatives.
   b.  two other people were interested, but had conflicts and cannot make it. one will ask around to see if someone else wants to do a talk on increasing diversity in opensource
   c.  James O'Keefe has his how to run for office talk
   d.  Erik Zoltan may do one on a history of net censorship - DMCA/ACTA/SOPA/oh my
   e.  Lauren Pespisa may do a talk on Kopimism
   f.  Andrew Anissi will consider a talk on IP law, perhaps with Chris Walsh if he is interested

2. Conference outreach

   a.  Twitter/FB posts
   b.  Setup FB event
   c.  Reddit / slashdot
   d.  Get notice to TechDirt / TorrentFreak / other media
   e.  mail our support list
   f.  get posters up at Mass. colleges and high schools.

3. Budget review - posted it. Full review / approval at the Feb 5th meeting.

Meeting Minutes

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[11:49] == jokeefe [401c5302@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.28.83.2] has joined #masspirates [11:49] <jokeefe> hi all [11:50] <GrimJack> Good morning [11:52] == SplendidSpoon [~lpespisa@38.111.20.226] has joined #masspirates [11:56] <wingedearth> merry meet [11:57] <SplendidSpoon> Ahoy! [11:57] <GrimJack> So I guess I should intro myself... [11:58] <wingedearth> please do [11:58] <GrimJack> Hi.. I'm a mid-40s guy in MA who's been online, in one form or another, since my c=64 days in the 80s. [11:58] <jokeefe> :-) [11:58] <wingedearth> that's a long time to sit in front of a computer screen [11:59] <GrimJack> I added MassPirates to my Twitter a few weeks back and saw the messages about the meetings.. [11:59] <GrimJack> Thought I'd drop in since I'm still awake. Heh. [12:00] <jokeefe> welcome [12:00] <jokeefe> ok, its noon [12:00] <GrimJack> I work 3rd shift. [12:00] <jokeefe> thanks for the intro, GrimJack. I'll continue with the intros [12:00] <SplendidSpoon> Nice t' meet ye, matey [12:00] <jokeefe> James O'Keefe, Somerville [12:00] <jokeefe> meeting agenda at http://masspirates.org/wiki/index.php?title=January_31st,_2012_IRC_Meeting [12:02] <wingedearth> Andrew A. Anissi, the ethereal plane, presently manifested in Boston in human form. yar. [12:02] <SplendidSpoon> hahah [12:03] <SplendidSpoon> Lauren Pespisa, live in Boxboro, work in Cambridge (at work now so pardon me if I am not quick to respond) [12:03] <wingedearth> likewise [12:04] <jokeefe> bsod hangs out here so he might not be by [12:04] <jokeefe> its all public anyway [12:06] <jokeefe> so conference report [12:06] <jokeefe> page is up, people can register by making a donation, donation page is up [12:06] <jokeefe> have one person who will be talking about open data initiatives. [12:06] <SplendidSpoon> w00t [12:06] <jokeefe> for a speaker [12:07] <jokeefe> two other people were interested, but had conflicts and cannot make it. [12:07] <jokeefe> one will ask around to see if someone else wants to do a talk on increasing diversity in opensource [12:08] <jokeefe> I have my how to run for office talk [12:08] <jokeefe> so we have two [12:08] <jokeefe> would be good to get two to four more [12:08] <jokeefe> how to secure yourself on the internet would be good [12:08] == erixoltan [60e93109@gateway/web/freenode/ip.96.233.49.9] has joined #masspirates [12:09] <jokeefe> hey erixoltan! [12:09] <erixoltan> duude... [12:09] <erixoltan> hey [12:09] <jokeefe> please id, thank you [12:09] <erixoltan> Erik Zoltan, Framingham, proud owner of a new print copy of "No Safe Harbor" [12:10] <jokeefe> we also talked last week about a talk on net censorship: DMCA/ACTA/SOPA/oh my [12:10] <jokeefe> nice [12:10] <jokeefe> I could give it, but would prefer that someone else did. [12:11] <wingedearth> can you explain the subject? [12:11] <jokeefe> the various laws? [12:12] <wingedearth> "increasing diversity in opensource" [12:12] <jokeefe> ah [12:14] <jokeefe> part of it is providing tools and training so people can help on opensource projects quickly - https://openhatch.org/ [12:14] <wingedearth> is this about creating multiple competing opensource projects, or is it a racial thing? [12:14] <erixoltan> lmao [12:15] <jokeefe> making opensource efforts welcoming for people who are not white, males, geeks. not that there is anything wrong with white, male, geeks, being one of them.

[Widespread disconnection that SplendidSpoon characterized as: We were just talking about how I wish I could give a talk and help more but Im bad at that sort of thing]

[12:23] == jokeefe [401c5302@gateway/web/freenode/session] has joined #masspirates [12:24] <jokeefe> sorry, got discconected [12:24] <jokeefe> where are we? [12:24] == wingedearth1 [~wingedear@38.111.36.79] has joined #masspirates [12:24] <wingedearth1> hello? [12:24] <wingedearth1> my connection just dropped [12:24] <wingedearth1> weird [12:24] <wingedearth1> nick wingedearth [12:24] <SplendidSpoon> Wish I could be more help and give a talk but I am just not a public speaker [12:24] <wingedearth1> I'd be interested in attending the talk [12:24] <SplendidSpoon> I could do short things like introducing people etc [12:24] <SplendidSpoon> But I am still a n00b at discussing policy [12:24] <SplendidSpoon> or really anything [12:24] <SplendidSpoon> I'll help any other way I can tho [12:24] <wingedearth1> maybe we should discuss the policy here and now for some analysis and practice [12:24] <SplendidSpoon> That'd be better if we always kept this channel open [12:24] <wingedearth1> I think it is always open [12:24] <wingedearth1> bsod's always here [12:24] <SplendidSpoon> Maybe I should idle in the pirate irc server more often [12:24] <SplendidSpoon> oh [12:24] <SplendidSpoon> also typing in irc != giving a talk [12:24] <wingedearth1> != giving a talk [12:24] <wingedearth1> oh, I see [12:24] <SplendidSpoon> Sorry Im a coder [12:24] <wingedearth1> yeah, it's not the same as public speaking, but it might help clear up the issues [12:24] <SplendidSpoon> I actually know the issues pretty well [12:24] <SplendidSpoon> I just am not a person with words [12:24] <SplendidSpoon> So I can't explain them that well to people haha [12:24] <SplendidSpoon> Im much better at providing links to websites with better writing [12:24] == wingedearth [~wingedear@38.111.36.79] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] [12:24] -NickServ- This nickname is registered. Please choose a different nickname, or identify via /msg NickServ identify <password>. [12:24] <wingedearth1> sometimes that can be a time saver [12:24] == wingedearth1 has changed nick to wingedearth [12:25] <wingedearth> that's better [12:25] <wingedearth> we were discussing something having to do with opensource and tools for training [12:25] <jokeefe> guess i wasn't the only one [12:26] <wingedearth> yeah I dropped also [12:26] == erixoltan [60e93109@gateway/web/freenode/ip.96.233.49.9] has joined #masspirates [12:26] <GrimJack> Want me to paste the last 10 mins? [12:26] <erixoltan> sorry seem to have lost my connection... [12:26] <jokeefe> will if you can think of anyone we could ask to do either talk: security or net censorship history, that would be great [12:27] <jokeefe> yes, an number of us did [12:27] <erixoltan> k [12:27] <SplendidSpoon> You didn't miss much [12:27] <SplendidSpoon> We were just talking about how I wish I could give a talk and help more but Im bad at that sort of thing [12:27] <jokeefe> k [12:28] <jokeefe> erixoltan, do you want to give a talk? [12:28] <wingedearth> I'm a better writer than live talker [12:28] <wingedearth> and I'm kinda short on time [12:28] <erixoltan> Where can I go to see a list of all the topics... [12:29] <jokeefe> I think a public speaking talk would be good then [12:29] <jokeefe> "Talking with people about the Pirate Party" [12:30] <SplendidSpoon> oh! [12:30] <SplendidSpoon> Good idea [12:30] <wingedearth> a talk on talking? [12:31] <jokeefe> they have clubs for that [12:32] <jokeefe> anyone have a video camera they could bring? [12:32] <erixoltan> I will volunteer to produce video of the talk. [12:32] <jokeefe> great! [12:32] <jokeefe> will you be recording it or should we get others to do that? [12:33] * SplendidSpoon doesn't have a camera [12:33] <erixoltan> I can use my crappy camera, but if someone has something better then it would probably produce better sound quality. [12:33] <[bsod]> o, we got a framingham person today eh [12:33] <wingedearth> is this for the march conference? [12:33] <[bsod]> i usta live there [12:34] <jokeefe> hi, bsod, I have a flip, but it doesn't have audio in, only the built in mic [12:34] <erixoltan> Interesting coincidence, and my favorite screen saver is called BSOD... [12:34] <[bsod]> heh [12:34] <[bsod]> im usted to talking to alot of people online, it's so rare to me to be talking to people in my same area [12:35] <erixoltan> I'm an experienced speaker but don't know enough about security or the history of net censorship. [12:35] <[bsod]> i even got used to saying temps in celcius cause there's always so many europeans in my irc chans [12:35] <jokeefe> you have a month to prepare, just pirate Falkvinge [12:35] <erixoltan> :) [12:36] <erixoltan> OK well, I'm happy to talk about anything you want, just let me know what you need most. [12:38] <erixoltan> Lately I'm getting very interested in copyright enforcement - how it would work under the Pirate Party's proposal. [12:38] <wingedearth> enforcement? [12:38] <SplendidSpoon> Yes [12:38] <jokeefe> we pull out cutlasses? [12:38] <SplendidSpoon> Pirate Falkvinge! [12:38] <wingedearth> you mean in the system that we want to have? [12:39] <erixoltan> yes. We're not proposing to eliminate copyright entirely. [12:39] <[bsod]> i didnt read any official proposal [12:39] <SplendidSpoon> We have a proposal? [12:39] <wingedearth> if we're just talking about copyright and patent, I propose compulsory licensing for everything, with a right to statutory royalties [12:39] <[bsod]> lol [12:39] <erixoltan> The problem with the existing system is that it's unfair and unenforcable. [12:39] <erixoltan> No but we need one. [12:39] <wingedearth> and a right of attribution [12:39] <SplendidSpoon> Yea we have party lines on stuff [12:39] <SplendidSpoon> So if you give a talk....make sure you know it and stick to that [12:39] <[bsod]> royalties but not exclusive ownership [12:39] <wingedearth> innocent infringement damages will be equal to the lost royalties. willful infringement damages will include attorneys fees and costs and treble damages [12:40] <SplendidSpoon> the "Pirate wheel" or "platform" or whatever [12:40] <erixoltan> We would get more support if people understand that we have an alternative that would actually work, in contrast to the current system which is a joke. [12:40] <[bsod]> seems our system of everything lately has become a joke [12:41] <SplendidSpoon> http://falkvinge.net/2012/01/31/i-dont-care-about-the-entertainment-industrys-profits-and-it-enrages-me-that-you-think-i-should/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Falkvinge-on-Infopolicy+%28Falkvinge+on+Infopolicy%29 [12:41] <wingedearth> with copyright term limited to 14 years, with a renewals of 14 years available, and a nominal maintenance fee to be paid every 2 years [12:41] <SplendidSpoon> I love Falkvinge so much [12:41] <wingedearth> I think my proposal is perfectly feasible and sufficient for all parties. [12:42] <[bsod]> http://blokkade.ziggo.nl/favicon.ico [12:42] <jokeefe> getting back on topic [12:42] <wingedearth> also, I propose ending software patents and business method patents [12:42] <jokeefe> erixoltan, we will talk [12:42] <[bsod]> and fair use the crap out of everything [12:43] <erixoltan> ok [12:43] <jokeefe> thanks [12:43] <erixoltan> wingedearth, do you have a reference? [12:43] <jokeefe> next is conference outreach [12:43] <jokeefe> suggestions? [12:43] == politux [1893c163@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.147.193.99] has joined #masspirates [12:44] <wingedearth> erixoltan, here: http://www.honorandmagic.com/cyril-grey-blog/2012/1/18/stop-sopa-and-pipa.html [12:44] <jokeefe> welcome politux [12:44] <politux> thanks :) [12:44] <jokeefe> ids are appreciated - name, city, whatever [12:44] <erixoltan> thx [12:44] <SplendidSpoon> Outreach: Online outreach, make a facebook page for the event [12:45] <SplendidSpoon> Post in relevant subreddits [12:45] <[bsod]> heh, hey politux [12:45] <SplendidSpoon> Reach out to Occupy Boston [12:45] <[bsod]> you always miss these [12:45] <jokeefe> you want to take on the subreddits, Splendid? [12:45] <[bsod]> sometimes i get mass attacked with anti pirate votes on reddit [12:45] <[bsod]> slashdot also [12:45] <[bsod]> i think they're payed [12:45] <SplendidSpoon> Yea thats true [12:46] <SplendidSpoon> I might have to make a throwaway account to do it [12:46] <[bsod]> heh [12:46] <SplendidSpoon> But I'll do it [12:46] <[bsod]> cool [12:46] <jokeefe> slashdot is paid for posts? [12:46] <SplendidSpoon> I don't know slashdot [12:46] <jokeefe> can mention it to techdirt/torrentfreak [12:46] <wingedearth> I just told OB about this meeting [12:46] <wingedearth> better late than never [12:46] <jokeefe> what part? [12:46] <wingedearth> don't know slashdot? [12:46] <jokeefe> of OB [12:47] <wingedearth> I thought you're a coder [12:47] <[bsod]> you guys getting twittert subpoenas [12:47] <SplendidSpoon> I know it [12:47] <SplendidSpoon> But I dont use it much [12:47] <jokeefe> online events listing - phoenix, arts, etc. [12:47] <wingedearth> it's mostly nerds making smart alec remarks [12:47] <SplendidSpoon> So any subreddit suggestions? [12:47] <wingedearth> but sometimes they link to interesting stuff going on [12:47] <[bsod]> slashdot has been going down hill hasnt it [12:47] <SplendidSpoon> I have a few in mind but if you guys have more let me know [12:48] <SplendidSpoon> Yea slashdot is old [12:48] <[bsod]> ernesto@torrentfreak.com [12:48] <jokeefe> we should also mail our snailmailing list [12:48] <SplendidSpoon> Also - when do you think the ideal time for online outreach would be [12:49] <SplendidSpoon> Is it too early now probably/ [12:49] <jokeefe> register early ... [12:49] <wingedearth> where is torrentfreak based anyhow? [12:49] <[bsod]> holland [12:49] <jokeefe> we are coming up against a lot of college spring breaks [12:49] <erixoltan> I wish we could get some conservative or entertainment industry group to try and block the conference, that would sure increase attendance... [12:49] <wingedearth> and whatever happened to torrentfreak.tv ? they stopped doing that [12:49] <[bsod]> slonek was doing that [12:49] <jokeefe> lol erixoltan [12:49] <SplendidSpoon> haha [12:49] <[bsod]> he reopened suprnova.org and dropped torrentfreak.tverixoltan [12:50] <wingedearth> maybe we should organize an IP Enforcement Lobby that complains loudly about masspirates [12:50] <[bsod]> lol [12:50] <erixoltan> brilliant [12:50] <[bsod]> like a staged fight [12:50] <SplendidSpoon> astroturf [12:50] <wingedearth> at the same time, I favor truth over deception [12:50] <jokeefe> agreed [12:50] <wingedearth> lies are the establishment's tactics [12:50] <GrimJack> Not really: The Yes Men [12:51] <SplendidSpoon> When the establishment does it it's lying [12:51] <SplendidSpoon> when hacktivists do it it's "social engineering" [12:51] <wingedearth> I don't like it when anyone does it. [12:51] <SplendidSpoon> lol [12:51] <wingedearth> Open, honest, and straightforward is the best approach [12:52] <SplendidSpoon> Spoken like a true pirate [12:52] == laiv [4b9336b9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.75.147.54.185] has joined #masspirates [12:52] <[bsod]> briging in more people to talk [12:52] <jokeefe> I have been known to like a good prank [12:52] <[bsod]> people are oblivious to meeting times lol [12:52] <jokeefe> but the party should be open and transparent [12:52] <SplendidSpoon> Indeed [12:52] == illunatic [~illunatic@fl-69-68-18-52.sta.embarqhsd.net] has joined #masspirates [12:52] <illunatic> o hai [12:52] <[bsod]> hey illunatic [12:53] <jokeefe> hi folks [12:53] <[bsod]> you're not a real masshole [12:53] <wingedearth> O'Keefe, it's up to you to maintain a strong, incorruptible leadership [12:53] <politux> welcome illu [12:53] <jokeefe> I live my life in the public [12:53] <jokeefe> sphere [12:53] <SplendidSpoon> It's too bad for jokeefe that his name is James O'Keefe [12:53] <illunatic> heard you like pirates so i put some buckaneers in your black beard [12:53] <wingedearth> I'm concerned about occupy and many of these groups getting infiltrated and reprogrammed by the system [12:53] <SplendidSpoon> I keep hearing more and more about that other James O'Keefe jerk [12:54] <wingedearth> what jerk? [12:54] <[bsod]> hehe reprogrammed [12:54] <SplendidSpoon> The right-wing guy who went into Acton dressed like a pimp [12:54] <jokeefe> It is funny, but the spikes in my websites traffic when he does something keep going down. [12:54] <wingedearth> the guy who exposed ACORN? [12:54] <SplendidSpoon> Yea you are like the opposite of him [12:54] <SplendidSpoon> I mean ACORN [12:54] <SplendidSpoon> not acton [12:54] <SplendidSpoon> "exposed" [12:54] <[bsod]> heh, google is figuring it out [12:54] <illunatic> hi [12:54] <jokeefe> was 6000 for the acorn sting, but it was a few hundred for the NH voter sting [12:55] <SplendidSpoon> He's going to try to sue someone now [12:55] <SplendidSpoon> I read something on gawker about it (yea I read gawker sometimes don't judge me) [12:55] <[bsod]> ha [12:55] <wingedearth> not a fan of gawker [12:55] <[bsod]> dont you judge me! [12:55] <[bsod]> sometimes the writing is funny [12:55] <SplendidSpoon> Not a fan either [12:56] <SplendidSpoon> I hate Adrian chen [12:56] <SplendidSpoon> Chen* [12:56] <[bsod]> ive got like 100's of rss feeds, ill click whatever sounds piraty [12:56] <SplendidSpoon> Yea [12:56] <jokeefe> any other suggestions for outreach ideas? [12:56] <SplendidSpoon> http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2012/01/30/414917/is-james-okeefe-misrepresenting-his-own-lawsuit-against-a-newspaper/ [12:56] <[bsod]> acta is a huge button issue right now [12:56] <jokeefe> oy [12:56] <[bsod]> my website got killed from too much traffic 3 times from acta tweets [12:56] <SplendidSpoon> Outreach idea...colleges? [12:56] <jokeefe> re: JO III [12:56] <[bsod]> as did eff.org and falkvinge [12:56] <jokeefe> posters? [12:56] <illunatic> haha [12:57] <SplendidSpoon> Yea posters would be good [12:57] <politux> We should hang fliers on college camuses [12:57] <politux> campuses [12:57] <[bsod]> nah, make it so the college kids see it.. staple it to bags of weed [12:57] <SplendidSpoon> lol [12:57] <politux> and 30 packs of bud ice [12:57] <SplendidSpoon> Speaking of weed.... [12:58] <[bsod]> they still make bud ice? [12:58] <[bsod]> it used to be everywhere [12:58] <SplendidSpoon> Pirates officially support medical marijuana and stuff right? [12:58] <jokeefe> yes [12:58] <[bsod]> heh, SplendidSpoon says speaking of weed.... soon after saying, "im at work" now im wondering if they're hiring [12:58] <wingedearth> have to be careful not to let this movement or the occupy movement be a "left wing" thing. should embrace everyone with positive motive and not get caught up in partisanship. [12:59] <jokeefe> full legalization for marijuana. [12:59] <SplendidSpoon> Internationally or just Mass pirates? [12:59] <[bsod]> massachusetts is a left wing state tho [12:59] <erixoltan> That would be a good talk topic imo [12:59] <wingedearth> mass is split like others. that's why they elected scott brown [12:59] <illunatic> want me to ask andersdotter? [12:59] <erixoltan> Reach out to the pot activists too... [12:59] <illunatic> she's probably know [12:59] <[bsod]> when it comes to shiot such as abortion theres a high majority [12:59] <SplendidSpoon> Yea [12:59] <illunatic> k [12:59] <politux> privacy and right to use technology are the most important [12:59] <[bsod]> and increasing pointless taxes for no reason, we always support that [12:59] <SplendidSpoon> I am going to a medical marijuana meeting tomorrow at the boston Public Library [13:00] <SplendidSpoon> I will be representing Pirate Party [13:00] <jokeefe> right, good luck! [13:00] <SplendidSpoon> I don't know exactly what they are doing there though [13:00] <[bsod]> libertarianism is becoming more popular tho [13:00] <wingedearth> anyway, the wings are illusions. the 99% has a common enemy in the international banks and the gatekeepers of information and culture [13:00] <jokeefe> liberty is always popular [13:00] <[bsod]> yup [13:00] <jokeefe> nice summary wingedearth [13:00] <SplendidSpoon> Pot is a popular issue and attracts young people [13:00] <[bsod]> i dont see how being anti-death penalty is automatically the opposite of supporting gun ownership [13:01] <SplendidSpoon> but we also don't want to let our party get consumed by it [13:01] <SplendidSpoon> bsod....it is? [13:01] <[bsod]> lol [13:01] <[bsod]> right wing/left wing [13:01] <wingedearth> pot should attract everyone. old people are still prejudiced against legalizing it because of their indoctrination, but younger generations will overcome the restrictions [13:01] <jokeefe> so budget next - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AkPs3eiAOk5mdFNGcE9ZOXpQNHJ4RVhrQzFtOWFzX1E&hl=en_US#gid=0 [13:01] <SplendidSpoon> Yea [13:01] <[bsod]> i think the pirate party should be the voice of the youth who are drastically unrepresented [13:01] <illunatic> well i asked so we'll see if she gets back soon, but i kind of suspect marijuana laws are beyond the scope of the pirate platform (at least officially) [13:01] <illunatic> brb [13:01] <wingedearth> I don't necessarily think marijuana is good for your body, except maybe for certain medicinal uses, but the war on drugs is at least as bad as prohibition [13:02] <erixoltan> depends on the amount and frequency [13:02] <erixoltan> depends on the amount and frequency [13:02] <politux> war on drugs = war on minorities and the poor [13:02] <SplendidSpoon> I think pot is better for you than alcohol [13:02] <wingedearth> few people would support Prohibition, so there shouldn't be support for the anti-marijuana laws [13:02] <[bsod]> heh, im a crazy libertarian when it comes to social issues, i think how healthy it is, is irrelivant [13:02] <SplendidSpoon> the war on drugs is a war on people [13:02] <SplendidSpoon> People suffer from it [13:03] <[bsod]> i also like beer [13:03] <politux> you can't legislate morality [13:03] <erixoltan> If you smoke pot 1 or 2 times a week your IQ goes up 5 points. More than 3 it goes down 5 points. Reversable either way. (Unlike alcohol.) [13:03] <SplendidSpoon> Yea I think it's inevitable [13:03] <wingedearth> I think drugs are illegalized in order to give monopolies to international cartels. [13:03] <SplendidSpoon> I think medical marijuana will pass in MA [13:03] <[bsod]> i hate pot supporters that suddenly start attacking tobacco and alcohol users lol [13:03] <SplendidSpoon> bsod I'm not attacking lol [13:03] <jokeefe> so BUDGET, we'll go over it at the in-person meeting on Sunday, but I thought I would throw it out for comment [13:03] <SplendidSpoon> I support your right to use whatever you want [13:03] <[bsod]> didnt say you were [13:04] <[bsod]> marc emery does that alot, thats disapointing [13:04] <politux> phizer, eli lilly, etc [13:04] <SplendidSpoon> Yea we don't want to divide each other we have to work together [13:04] <erixoltan> RE Budget, do we have money? [13:04] <SplendidSpoon> What about the budget? [13:04] <politux> and other cartels [13:04] <[bsod]> mike masnick called kopimism a joke, that was also disapointing [13:04] <SplendidSpoon> I believe in kopimism actually [13:04] <[bsod]> copy freely [13:04] <SplendidSpoon> I think it actually makes lots of sense as a real belief [13:04] <SplendidSpoon> all of life and evolution and shit is based on copy, remix, share [13:05] <jokeefe> :-) [13:05] <SplendidSpoon> It's a relevent, beautiful philosophy [13:05] <[bsod]> i need a button for 'none of the above' when selecting religion [13:05] <SplendidSpoon> Maybe I could �give a talk on that lol [13:05] <[bsod]> from what ive heard a majority of the pirate party is not kopimists? [13:06] <[bsod]> just copyright reformists [13:06] <jokeefe> has there been a poll? [13:06] <SplendidSpoon> Yea probably not but it's related to pirate party in that a pirate started it [13:06] <[bsod]> nope [13:06] <SplendidSpoon> and benefits from it becoming a official religion. [13:06] <[bsod]> and we cant poll the few people who bother to show up on irc, thats not representative lol [13:06] <SplendidSpoon> in sweden [13:06] <SplendidSpoon> (possibly benefits) [13:07] <[bsod]> the pirate party didnt start it, piratbyran did [13:07] <SplendidSpoon> I dunno if it's too weird to include kopimism in our conference [13:07] <[bsod]> falkvinge took credit in his blog tho [13:07] <wingedearth> I believe strongly that IP is a moral issue, as it determines the future of culture, identity, creativity, and expression of the self, the spirit, the community, and the nation [13:07] <GrimJack> What Falkvinge said about Kopimism and confession blew my mind... [13:07] <SplendidSpoon> Kopimism blows my mind [13:07] <jokeefe> so if you have any comments on the draft BUDGET, send them my way or to info@masspirates.org [13:07] <erixoltan> I think a kopimism talk is a fantastic idea... [13:07] <wingedearth> but I think some IP laws can be helpful, if crafted according to the correct purpose [13:07] <SplendidSpoon> lol poor jokeefe trying to keep us in line [13:07] <erixoltan> Poor Jamie, it's hard to tame the pirate rabble... [13:08] <[bsod]> i think supporting some IP laws is probably more realistic than proposing to scrap the whole system [13:08] <wingedearth> the purpose of IP law should NOT be to grant one set of people control over what information reaches the public [13:08] <jokeefe> if someone wanted to do a Kopimism talk, that would be great. We have the space and time. [13:08] <SplendidSpoon> I mean I guess a Kopimism talk could discuss how it started, its relationship to Pirate ideology [13:08] <erixoltan> I favor scrapping the whole system. [13:08] <SplendidSpoon> I actually feel like I could do it [13:08] <[bsod]> but 28 years eh [13:08] <[bsod]> i was reading a christian engstrom blog not too long ago, and EU was talking about capping wireless roaming fees to 300 euro per gigabyte, down from thousands that they currently charge. engstrom said, "i think it should be 10 euros" [13:08] <[bsod]> we should think that way with copyright term extension [13:08] <[bsod]> how about 10 years [13:08] <wingedearth> bsod, with a compulsory license, anyone could use any expression or any invention [13:08] <SplendidSpoon> It doesn't require the big policy words and legal terms other talks might [13:08] <jokeefe> go for it SplendidSpoon, you have a month to write and practice it. [13:09] <SplendidSpoon> Would I use powerpoint or something? [13:09] <jokeefe> let the spirit move you! [13:09] <erixoltan> I should probably get back to work soon.... [13:09] <jokeefe> sure or white board or easle and paper [13:09] <[bsod]> probably [13:09] <jokeefe> whatever works [13:09] <wingedearth> if anyone is giving a talk relating to IP law, consult me. I'm an IP lawyer. [13:09] <SplendidSpoon> Yea! I also go on the kopimist channel on the telecomix irc and can ask them for advice too [13:09] <[bsod]> theres IP lawyers? [13:09] <SplendidSpoon> ok I'd like to do a powerpoint [13:09] <SplendidSpoon> Wow [13:09] <SplendidSpoon> How exciting [13:10] <politux> I upload torrents [13:10] <jokeefe> perhaps you and Chris W. could give a talk on the state of IP laws? [13:10] <wingedearth> at the March conference? [13:10] <[bsod]> politux, i have no connection to the pirate world lol [13:10] <SplendidSpoon> oh yea Chris W. is very smart and knows a lot of law [13:10] <jokeefe> yes [13:10] <wingedearth> perhaps. [13:11] <jokeefe> well think about it [13:11] <illunatic> i would like to see the RIAA out of the DoJ. what would that take? [13:11] <illunatic> http://blog.greenpirate.org/dept-of-justice-displays-bias-toward-riaa-again/ [13:11] <erixoltan> hey can we make blog posts on masspirates.org and solicit comments as a way of getting feedback for proposed talks? [13:11] <wingedearth> illunatic, that would take a different President than the one we have. [13:11] <illunatic> arg [13:11] <[bsod]> and the drug companies out of the FDA [13:11] <wingedearth> bsod, that would also take a different President than the one we have [13:11] <wingedearth> and different from most of the ones running [13:12] <illunatic> does the PP have any sort of relationship with Ron Paul? [13:12] <[bsod]> the only one i disliked more than bush was probably kerry, and it happens again, the only one i like less than obama is probably romney [13:12] <[bsod]> ron paul is not a pirate [13:12] <jokeefe> good idea erix [13:12] <illunatic> he seems most sympathetic to PP platform [13:12] <[bsod]> alot of us like him tho [13:12] <wingedearth> ron paul is most sympathetic to the PP platform, and has the best foreign policy [13:13] <[bsod]> i like him for other reasons [13:13] <politux> too bad he won't be nominated [13:13] <illunatic> me too [13:13] <wingedearth> I'm not a strict libertarian, but ron paul's a much better candidate than any of the others [13:13] <politux> so its moot [13:13] <SplendidSpoon> ummm [13:13] <SplendidSpoon> He's not a pirate [13:13] <[bsod]> he is not [13:13] <jokeefe> looks like Rosanne Barr is running as a Green [13:13] <[bsod]> thats unintresting to me [13:13] <[bsod]> lol [13:13] <SplendidSpoon> and I don't like his economic policy ideas [13:13] <SplendidSpoon> omg Rosanne [13:13] <SplendidSpoon> Well...more power to her I guess [13:14] <erixoltan> ok gotta go sorry. [13:14] <[bsod]> cya [13:14] <jokeefe> see ya! [13:14] <erixoltan> adios [13:14] <wingedearth> he's the only candidate that would scrap the Federal Reserve and face down the banks [13:14] <politux> bye [13:14] == erixoltan [60e93109@gateway/web/freenode/ip.96.233.49.9] has quit [Quit: Page closed] [13:14] <SplendidSpoon> Yea but he doesn't support social safety nets [13:14] <wingedearth> he's extreme on closing down the federal govt, but given the level of corruption in DC, that might be a good thing in the short term [13:14] <[bsod]> ill get us off of libertarianisms, i think they should trash romney care and obama care and replace it with a canadian style socialist system [13:14] <SplendidSpoon> It's like "you got cancer? Too bad" [13:14] <wingedearth> social safety nets largely come from state govts anyway, so I don't think that's a problem if he loosens up the federal versions [13:15] <[bsod]> also, he wont get 100% his way [13:15] <[bsod]> theres congress [13:15] <SplendidSpoon> Yea I dunno.... [13:15] <illunatic> i didn't mean to sidetrack the conversation. what is the main topic of this meeting btw? [13:15] <[bsod]> i never know [13:15] <SplendidSpoon> I haven't drank the Ron Paul koolaid yet [13:15] <jokeefe> social security / medicare/medicaid/va are way more than the states can provide [13:15] <[bsod]> yup [13:15] <politux> I think we should emulate sweden [13:15] <SplendidSpoon> Yes [13:15] <politux> they have the best websites [13:15] <SplendidSpoon> Sweden [13:15] <wingedearth> true, but Pres has a lot of direct authority. for example, Ron Paul has authority and the willingness to withdraw our military from the Middle East and Africa and Europe and Asia [13:15] <[bsod]> lol [13:15] <SplendidSpoon> I like Sweden [13:15] <[bsod]> had [13:16] <wingedearth> President can do that unilaterially [13:16] <jokeefe> they have strong unions [13:16] <[bsod]> i like how he doesnt support the war [13:16] <jokeefe> Sweden that is [13:16] <SplendidSpoon> Yes [13:16] <wingedearth> he also has authority to give the US Treasury the powers currently held by the Federal Reserve [13:16] <[bsod]> they arent a nato member [13:16] <SplendidSpoon> They have good standard of living and equality [13:16] <SplendidSpoon> high taxes [13:16] <SplendidSpoon> but healthcare for all [13:16] <wingedearth> of course JFK tried to do that, but didn't live enough to see it through [13:16] <jokeefe> I think were done with our agenda [13:16] <[bsod]> ya but high differently [13:16] <SplendidSpoon> It's like, if you lose your job you aren't gonna end up on the street [13:17] <politux> fathers get 8 weeks of paternity leave in swe [13:17] <[bsod]> like in sweden its like $10 a pack for cigarettes, and that goes to healthcare, our tobacco tax is like $8 a pack and no one can tells you where it goes [13:17] <politux> paid [13:17] <jokeefe> calling the formal part of the meeting, chat can continue of course [13:17] <[bsod]> cya jokeefe [13:17] <SplendidSpoon> lol bsod interesting [13:17] <wingedearth> I know the federal govt has been giving unemployment grants, but unemployment mostly comes from the States [13:17] <[bsod]> we've been offtopic for awhile now [13:17] <illunatic> jokeefe: what was the formal topic? :) [13:17] <SplendidSpoon> jokeefe is there anything you particularly want me to say or do at meeting tomorrow about pot [13:18] <SplendidSpoon> I guess I'll take pictures and introduce myself to people like you said [13:18] <jokeefe> illunatic - http://masspirates.org/wiki/index.php?title=January_31st,_2012_IRC_Meeting [13:18] <wingedearth> the States give unemployment, welfare, maintain roads, etc. federal govt pays for war and torture and spying on citizens [13:18] <illunatic> give blunts to babies [13:18] <illunatic> thanks [13:18] <jokeefe> SplendidSpoon - that sounds good [13:18] <SplendidSpoon> Maybe I should take notes? [13:18] <jokeefe> ++ [13:18] <SplendidSpoon> and email the activists or something afterwards [13:19] <SplendidSpoon> It'll be like reconn [13:19] <GrimJack> I hate to leave when things are this lively.. but I gotta get some sleep. 9pm comes fast. bcnu [13:19] <illunatic> ok bye [13:19] <illunatic> :) [13:19] <jokeefe> good night all [13:19] <[bsod]> night? [13:19] <[bsod]> are you in mass? [13:19] <SplendidSpoon> dude it's 1 [13:19] <[bsod]> lol [13:19] <SplendidSpoon> lol [13:19] <GrimJack> Yes, but i work 3rd [13:19] <[bsod]> ah