July 12th, 2012 IRC Meeting

Agenda

1. Status of Liquid Feedback server

2. Status of VPN testing

3. Hope 9

4. Need a new Treasurer

5. National Party News & Pirate Picnic

6. Anything else folks want to bring up

Quick Notes / Summaries Re Proposed Bills to be Discussed:

1. Status of Liquid Feedback server

2. Status of VPN testing

3. Hope 9

4. Need a new Treasurer

5. National Party News & Pirate Picnic

6. Anything else folks want to bring up

Attending

• jokeefe - James O'Keefe, Somerville
• mildbeard - Erik Zoltan, Framingham
• aphelionz - Mark Henderson, Marshfield
• SplendidSpoon - Lauren P, Cambridge/Boxboro
• qkslvrwolf - Sean Abbott, Somerville
• passtab - kbenjamin sauerhaft coplon PA

Observers:

• [bsod]
• illunatic
• brandon
• Brendan
• strider

Summary

1. Status of Liquid Feedback server

Working through some email issues (IP is in a spam filter), then should be golden. VM available, but needs some more config.

May make sense to move wiki and blog to this server. mildbeard will look into it.

2. Status of VPN testing

mildbeard still working on it

3. Hope 9

SplendidSpoon will be at it this weekend at the Bradley Manning table. Will talk up the Pirate Party.

4. Need a new Treasurer

Kit would like to step down as he had too much on his plate. Need a new treasurer.

5. National Party News & Pirate Picnic

National party is working on its constitution.

6. Anything else folks want to bring up

Meeting Minutes

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[12:00] <@passstab> 'sup [12:03] <@jokeefe> busy, unfortunately ;-) [12:04] <@jokeefe> you? [12:05] <@passstab> PPPA will somehow be participating in fosscon :) [12:05] <@jokeefe> cool! [12:05] <@passstab> ( fosscon.org ) [12:06] <@jokeefe> you all get a website? [12:06] <@passstab> not yet :P [12:06] <@passstab> only empty twitter and facebook accounts [12:06] == aphelionz [webchat@64.119.gyr.sjs] has joined #masspirates [12:06] == mode/#masspirates [+o aphelionz] by [4Q] [12:06] == mode/#masspirates [+v aphelionz] by [4Q] [12:07] <@aphelionz> hey, sorry im a bit late [12:07] == mode/#masspirates [+l 16] by [4Q] [12:07] <@aphelionz> mark henderson, marshfield [12:07] <@jokeefe> no problem [12:07] <@jokeefe> haven't really started [12:07] <@aphelionz> cool [12:07] == mildbeard [~erixoltan@hknv-28-026-620-99.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #masspirates [12:07] == mode/#masspirates [+v mildbeard] by [4Q] [12:07] == mode/#masspirates [+l 17] by [4Q] [12:07] <@jokeefe> James O'Keefe, Somerville [12:07] <@passstab> kbenjamin sauerhaft coplon PA [12:08] <@jokeefe> passstab, is fosscon always in PA? [12:08] <@passstab> yep [12:08] == SplendidSpoon [~SplendidS@38.111.ly.vgu] has joined #masspirates [12:08] == mode/#masspirates [+o SplendidSpoon] by [4Q] [12:08] == mode/#masspirates [+v SplendidSpoon] by [4Q] [12:08] == mode/#masspirates [+l 18] by [4Q] [12:08] <@passstab> august 11 Philadelphia [12:08] <+mildbeard> Erik Zoltan, Framingham [12:10] <@SplendidSpoon> Lauren Pespisa, Cambridge [12:11] <@jokeefe> hi all [12:11] <@jokeefe> mostly a status meeting - http://masspirates.org/wiki/index.php?title=July_12th,_2012_IRC_Meeting [12:11] <@jokeefe> Item 1. Status of Liquid Feedback server [12:12] <@jokeefe> the EC2 instance is up, but email seems to be snagged by a spam filter, @aphelionz has requested it be cleared, but it hasn't been as of this morning [12:12] <@jokeefe> mildbeard, how is the VM instance? [12:12] <@aphelionz> it'd be nice to get jbe back to help, maybe [12:13] <@aphelionz> the german guy from the lqfb team [12:13] <@jokeefe> agreed [12:13] <+mildbeard> I have gotten the VM set up so that it can be loaded by anyone and the default web page comes up with a link to the Liquid Feedback instance and other helpful links. [12:14] <+mildbeard> However I haven't done anything with invitation codes or email on it. I can pursue that line of inquiry if needed but assumed it wasn't urgent because the EC2 instance is farther along. [12:14] <@jokeefe> before we release it, we should probably have as working as possible [12:14] <+mildbeard> agreed. [12:14] <@jokeefe> with instructions in how to use it / modify it [12:15] == qkslvrwolf [~seabbott@i67-381-6-12.deploy.akamaitechnologies.com] has joined #masspirates [12:15] == mode/#masspirates [+o qkslvrwolf] by [4Q] [12:15] == mode/#masspirates [+v qkslvrwolf] by [4Q] [12:16] == mode/#masspirates [+l 19] by [4Q] [12:16] <+mildbeard> I will put something on my task list to work on that. [12:17] <@aphelionz> mildbeard: yeah we're wrangling with amazon ses on that, i dont think the vm will need to use any of the aws services though [12:17] <@aphelionz> jokeefe: does bluehost provide an smtp server? [12:18] <@jokeefe> don't think so [12:18] <+mildbeard> I am using OLM and it has cpanel, handles subdomains and emails - it's pretty cool but it's not Debian. [12:18] <@jokeefe> you can setup mailing lists from it and mail blast services, but you don't need to configure sendmail [12:18] <+mildbeard> There is a possibility to buy an online VM for a couple dollars a month however - it would use Debian. [12:19] <+mildbeard> Are we sure we don't just want to put up a virtual machine with Debian that runs our wordpress and has LF on a single instance? One stop shopping...? [12:20] <@jokeefe> worthwhile considering [12:20] <@jokeefe> problem with bluehost is it isn't all under our domain [12:21] <+mildbeard> I'll add it to my list. If I can get something running I'll post a copy of a VM and you can see if you think it's worth doing. [12:21] <+mildbeard> What wiki software are we using? [12:23] <@jokeefe> Wordpress [12:24] <+mildbeard> cool that's easy [12:24] <@jokeefe> yup [12:24] <@qkslvrwolf> wordpress has a wiki now? neat. [12:24] <@jokeefe> no [12:24] <@jokeefe> sorry, thought you meant blog [12:24] <@jokeefe> wiki is mediawiki [12:25] <@jokeefe> hi qkslvrwolf & SplendidSpoon [12:25] <@SplendidSpoon> Hey [12:27] <+mildbeard> aha OK I will look into it and let you know. It's on my list at least. [12:27] <@qkslvrwolf> hiya [12:27] <@jokeefe> thank you mildbeard [12:27] <@jokeefe> Item 2. Status of VPN testing [12:28] <@jokeefe> mildbeard? not that you don't have a bunch to do [12:28] <+mildbeard> yeah [12:29] <+mildbeard> I did manage to get a bitcoin account set up. I was surprised at how long it took to get 5 bitcoins transferred from Second Life without getting screwed. [12:29] <+mildbeard> I then tried to use the VPN purchasing screen that Travis set up to purchase one month with Bitcoin. [12:29] <+mildbeard> Unfortunately there was a technical problem and it crashed. So I sent Travis an email asking for help with it. [12:29] <@qkslvrwolf> MIght check out dwolla as well. Less piratey, but also less controversial and easier to understand, while still avoiding the banksters. [12:30] <+mildbeard> Looking at my inbox I haven't heard back from Travis yet. But I am working on this issue still. [12:31] <@jokeefe> thanks for the update [12:31] <@jokeefe> Item 3. Hope 9 - SplendidSpoon? [12:31] <@SplendidSpoon> Wooohooooo [12:32] <@jokeefe> :-) [12:32] <@SplendidSpoon> I'm going to Hope 9 with House and Shidash and friends [12:32] <@SplendidSpoon> and repping da Pirates while raising much needed money for Bradley Manning [12:33] <@SplendidSpoon> I'm told the Hope crowd is quite positive toward Pirate Party so it should be fun [12:33] <@SplendidSpoon> Also, my friend knows people from RT covering the event that he's going to try to get to interview me about Pirate Party [12:33] <@SplendidSpoon> So it'll be an all around GoodThing [12:33] <@jokeefe> ++ [12:34] <@SplendidSpoon> Good for Bradley Manning, good for Pirates, good for Humanity [12:34] <@jokeefe> stupendous! [12:34] <@SplendidSpoon> Anyone know how to contact NYC Pirates? I don't know if they are going but it'd be cool to meet up with them [12:34] <@jokeefe> right, let me get that info [12:34] <+mildbeard> Zacquary and Kusanagi are the main people to contact. [12:35] <+mildbeard> They have a facebook page too. [12:35] <@SplendidSpoon> ah Kusanagi is NY? [12:35] <+mildbeard> yep [12:36] <@SplendidSpoon> ok I just joined their FB page [12:37] <@SplendidSpoon> I'll hang out in their IRC today alo [12:37] <@SplendidSpoon> also* [12:39] <@jokeefe> yeah, I just emailed you and them as well [12:39] <@SplendidSpoon> Sweet [12:39] <@jokeefe> last I knew they were planning to go and maybe speak at it. [12:40] <@jokeefe> I'll be checking twitter to RT your pictures ;-) [12:40] <@jokeefe> please feel free to post to the FB page/group. [12:40] <@jokeefe> The pictures seem to get the most views [12:40] <@SplendidSpoon> I will remember to keep my phone charged and try to take a bunch. I want pics with all the famous h4x0rs. Except Adrian Lamo. Ew. [12:41] <@SplendidSpoon> OK cool I'm super excited in case you can't tell. [12:41] <@jokeefe> sounds like you'll have a great time [12:41] <@SplendidSpoon> I love talking to strangers, especially like-minded strangers, and HOPE is full of them. [12:42] <@SplendidSpoon> Also maybe I can drag Shidash back into the fold, he seems to have been busy or something [12:43] <@jokeefe> I think he graduated and is off to his next school [12:43] <@jokeefe> would be good if was available to help [12:44] <@jokeefe> Item 4. Need a new Treasurer [12:44] <+mildbeard> did we have an existing treasurer? [12:44] <@jokeefe> just a heads up that Kit has too much on his plate and would like to step down as treasurer as of our August filing [12:44] <@jokeefe> yes, we do [12:44] <+mildbeard> aah [12:45] <@jokeefe> you met him at Pride the pirate getup with the hat with the feather in it [12:45] <@jokeefe> he looked great [12:45] <+mildbeard> he was cool [12:45] <@SplendidSpoon> He is cool. He works at Berkman center now right? [12:46] <@jokeefe> yes [12:46] <@jokeefe> I'll send email to the activist list & we should open it up [12:47] <@jokeefe> really need an about page on the blog with officers and the like [12:47] <@SplendidSpoon> Yea that's a good idea [12:47] <@SplendidSpoon> with pics! [12:47] <@SplendidSpoon> Of me in my Pirate getup [12:48] <@SplendidSpoon> at least [12:48] <@jokeefe> LOL [12:48] <@jokeefe> yes, the whole blog needs pics [12:48] <@jokeefe> if anyone has experience with WP themes that are more pic heavy and access to free pics (for when we don't have our own) [12:49] <@jokeefe> falkvinge.net is very pic heavy and it looks well done [12:49] <+mildbeard> I have a piece of software that allows me to create wordpress themes. [12:49] <@jokeefe> gotta ping PPDE about their WP theme [12:49] <+mildbeard> I can clone most themes and modify them as needed. [12:50] <@SplendidSpoon> hmm Gregg knows a lot about those things [12:53] <@jokeefe> perhaps folks should look at blogs themes they like and suggest better ones than we have. [12:53] <@aphelionz> hey guys i gotta drop out [12:53] <@aphelionz> anything else you need from me specifically? [12:53] <@jokeefe> take care! [12:53] <@jokeefe> no [12:53] <@jokeefe> just waiting on spam email filter [12:53] <@aphelionz> ok, I'll be on email :) ttys, have fun SplendidSpoon [12:54] == aphelionz [webchat@64.119.gyr.sjs] has quit [Quit: Web client closed] [12:54] <+mildbeard> Well, if you decide on one you like, let me know and I'll see if I can clone it for you. [12:54] <@jokeefe> Item 5. National Party News & Pirate Picnic [12:54] <@jokeefe> any word? [12:54] <+mildbeard> The PNC met last night to consider the proposed constitution. [12:55] <+mildbeard> Several objections were raised to specific wordings. These were mostly on the details of certain provisions later in the document. [12:55] <+mildbeard> The PNC voted itself two more weeks to consider the constitution. We will try to resolve some of the objections via email and come back next week in hopes of ratifying the document. [12:56] <@jokeefe> what were the objections? [12:56] <+mildbeard> One was the language of the "No Confidence Measure" but it was just a tweak to the language. [12:57] <+mildbeard> The rest of the objections were all raised by the Washington Delegate Jeffrey Talada. Unfortunately he had to drop off just as we were getting to them. [12:57] <+mildbeard> So we are going to get more details from him via email and try to work on the language he didn't like. [12:57] <+mildbeard> My initial impression was that there were no show stoppers. A couple things he referenced, I looked at it and thought there might be problems with the wording. [12:58] <+mildbeard> Other than the Constitution, we voted to put the Oklahoma Pirate Party on probation. [12:58] <+mildbeard> Those are the major points. [13:00] <@jokeefe> Thanks. Has anyone talked to OKPP politely before the vote? [13:00] <+mildbeard> Yes. Last meeting there was a sentiment to put them on probation but I had objected because we should make a final overture to them. [13:01] <+mildbeard> During the ensuing two weeks they were contacted and they appeared on the SAB list a lot. They vehemently disagree with everything the PNC is doing. They don't want to be involved. They seem to only have one member now and they don't seem to have a functioning state party. [13:01] <+mildbeard> They are counting against the quorum count and it makes it hard to run meetings. [13:01] <+mildbeard> So it was pretty uncontroversial once I withdrew my objection to taking this move. [13:02] <+mildbeard> It's sad in my opinion, but the right thing to do in the end. [13:04] <@jokeefe> I see. Marcus has some work rebuilding the OKPP. He is a good guy. [13:04] <@jokeefe> thanks [13:04] <@jokeefe> Nothing on the Pirate picnic, then? [13:04] <+mildbeard> I mentioned it but nobody bit. [13:04] <@jokeefe> kind of down on the importance scale [13:06] <+mildbeard> yeah [13:06] <@SplendidSpoon> wait what happened with OK? [13:06] <+mildbeard> They are now on probation and they are facing removal from the PNC in one month's time. [13:06] <@SplendidSpoon> oshit [13:07] <+mildbeard> They are welcome to attend meetings or become involved in any way they would like. [13:07] <@jokeefe> well, then we should just plan our own with the BFI folks [13:08] <@SplendidSpoon> ah also is everything cool with Travis? I saw some emails abt ppl being pissed last weekend on SAB but I have a hard time reading all of them [13:08] <@SplendidSpoon> I think Travis is a good dude I just want to say, he seems dedicated/idealist and I think he's a GoodThing [13:08] <+mildbeard> Travis is fine. There was some suggestion that he should step down because he is running some legally murky web sites. [13:09] <@jokeefe> agreed, email is not a kind medium [13:09] <+mildbeard> In the end, the sentiment was that he was OK to continue. I think it's the right decision, but I wish he'd be more careful for his own sake. [13:09] <@jokeefe> agreed on Splendid's point, that is [13:09] <@jokeefe> aye [13:09] <@SplendidSpoon> He's young and fiery [13:09] <@jokeefe> So, picnic, SplendidSpoon, is your place still on offer or would you prefer Georges Island? [13:09] <@SplendidSpoon> I think Georges Island is better [13:10] <@SplendidSpoon> BC I might be moving out by the time this happens [13:10] <@jokeefe> on your own, good for you! [13:10] <@SplendidSpoon> Well one of my classmates from UMass who I got along with very well needs a roomie to replace her ex in Davis sq [13:10] <@SplendidSpoon> Issue is, my car is shot and I want to buy a new one [13:11] <@SplendidSpoon> but she wants a roomie by Aug 1 [13:11] <@SplendidSpoon> Everything at once! [13:11] <@SplendidSpoon> ...story of my life. Waves come in waves [13:11] <@jokeefe> MBTA & zipcar? [13:11] <@SplendidSpoon> I need a car of my own [13:12] <@jokeefe> yes, they are convenient [13:12] <@SplendidSpoon> I still don't just stay in city yet, my parents aren't comfortable with me not having one so they might lend me $ to get a new one [13:12] <@SplendidSpoon> I'm still driving my beat up one, i just need to spend 1000 to get a new inspection sticker [13:12] <@SplendidSpoon> and it's a 2001 Altima with 144,000 miles so I'm like, let it go [13:12] <@jokeefe> I should probably do what with my 2000 [13:13] <@SplendidSpoon> I put so many miles on my cars, I guess when I move into city I wont as much but still, I grew up with cars as necessary I don't have faith I wont need it [13:13] <@jokeefe> so how do folks want to do the picnic date, send out a poll or talk with BFI? [13:13] <@SplendidSpoon> also, interest rates are hella low [13:13] <@jokeefe> true, if you can get credit [13:17] <@jokeefe> not hearing anything, I'll ping BFI [13:17] <+mildbeard> sounds fine [13:18] <@jokeefe> if there are dates folks cannot make, send them my way so we can get this locked down and announce it [13:20] <@jokeefe> that is all I have, anything else folks want to bring up? [13:21] <+mildbeard> I am working on a proposed policy that will end piracy forever [13:21] <+mildbeard> by making it legal [13:21] <+mildbeard> I will be sending it out to everyone for general comment in a week or so. [13:21] <+mildbeard> just a fyi, nothing special :) [13:23] <@jokeefe> :-) [13:23] <@jokeefe> sounds good [13:24] <@jokeefe> ok, motion to adjourn? [13:24] <+mildbeard> second [13:25] <@jokeefe> all in favor? [13:25] <@jokeefe> pirate noise [13:25] <+mildbeard> arr [13:25] <@passstab> ARRR [13:30] <@jokeefe> all opposed [13:33] <+mildbeard> have a great week, see you online... [13:35] <@jokeefe> motion passes [13:35] <@jokeefe> you two [13:35] <@jokeefe> too