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== Decisions/Endorsements == | == Decisions/Endorsements == | ||
Cancel IRC meeting on the 30th? | === Facebook Statement === | ||
[https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20201209/13320045855/open-season-ftc-48-attorneys-general-file-separate-antitrust-lawsuits-against-facebook.shtml info] | |||
[https://etherpad.pp-international.net/p/MAPPFacebookStatement Statement etherpad] | |||
=== Cancel IRC meeting on the 30th? === | |||
== Projects == | == Projects == | ||
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== Participants == | == Participants == | ||
* Joe (Joseph Onoroski, Lowell) | |||
* jokeefe (James O’Keefe, Somerville) | |||
* malt (sam capradae, worcester) | |||
* srevilak (Steve Revilak, Arlington) | |||
=== Observers === | === Observers === | ||
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== Summary == | == Summary == | ||
Facebook | |||
* See https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20201209/13320045855/open-season-ftc-48-attorneys-general-file-separate-antitrust-lawsuits-against-facebook.shtml | |||
* https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/12/09/business/48-states-file-lawsuit-against-facebook-landmark-antitrust-offensive-big-tech-ny-ag-says/ | |||
* Space to work on our own statement. https://etherpad.pp-international.net/p/MAPPFacebookStatement | |||
* Court filing (per Techdirt) https://beta.documentcloud.org/documents/20421893-1910134fbcomplaint | |||
Pirate News | |||
* Prep at 7pm. Start at 7:30. | |||
* Folks from https://turq.io/ will be joining us. | |||
Tech | |||
* Tech meeting Saturday. 11am | |||
MassMesh | |||
* continue to make progress | |||
== Minutes == | == Minutes == | ||
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[9:02pm] jokeefe: Agenda: https://masspirates.org/wiki/December_9th,_2020_IRC_Meeting | |||
[9:02pm] jokeefe: ahoy srevilak | |||
[9:02pm] jokeefe: anything to add? | |||
[9:02pm] Joe: I totally understand you there. | |||
[9:02pm] jokeefe: please id | |||
[9:02pm] srevilak: hi jokeefe | |||
[9:03pm] jokeefe: James O’Keefe, Somerville | |||
[9:03pm] Joe: Joseph Onoroski, Lowell | |||
[9:03pm] srevilak: Steve Revilak, Arlington | |||
[9:03pm] Joe: Ahoy Steve | |||
[9:03pm] srevilak: hi Joe | |||
[9:04pm] jokeefe: Decisions/Endorsements | |||
[9:04pm] jokeefe: Facebook Statement | |||
[9:04pm] malt joined the chat room. | |||
[9:04pm] jokeefe: ahoy malt | |||
[9:04pm] malt: sam capradae, worcester | |||
[9:05pm] malt: sorry i'm late, still in a city commission meeting | |||
[9:05pm] jokeefe: More on the recent suits against FB - https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20201209/13320045855/open-season-ftc-48-attorneys-general-file-separate-antitrust-lawsuits-against-facebook.shtml | |||
[9:05pm] jokeefe: sounds important | |||
[9:05pm] srevilak: I was going to say, I heard our AG was suing them | |||
[9:05pm] jokeefe: yes | |||
[9:05pm] jokeefe: setup a place to write something of our own https://etherpad.pp-international.net/p/MAPPFacebookStatement | |||
[9:06pm] jokeefe: Was thinking: Breakup Facebook? Why stop there! | |||
[9:07pm] jokeefe: and go on to talk about breaking up the telecoms companies and any concentrated industry | |||
[9:07pm] malt: i'm all for that idea but i don't trust the motivations | |||
[9:08pm] srevilak: One think I really like about techdirt. Their stories about lawsuits typically contain links to the court filings. | |||
[9:09pm] jokeefe: yes | |||
[9:10pm] srevilak: Bedtime reading | |||
[9:11pm] jokeefe: Malt, would you be willing to write up a draft statement? | |||
[9:11pm] malt: sure | |||
[9:12pm] jokeefe: thank you | |||
[9:14pm] jokeefe: Shall we cancel the meeting on the 30th since it is next to new years eve? | |||
[9:14pm] malt: i think it's wise | |||
[9:14pm] malt: i do observe Devil's Night | |||
[9:14pm] Joe: aye | |||
[9:14pm] srevilak: I'm fine with that | |||
[9:14pm] jokeefe: hopefully safely | |||
[9:15pm] jokeefe: ok, will post that. | |||
[9:15pm] malt: chuckin eggs and toilet paper | |||
[9:15pm] srevilak: This is funny: https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20201208/13420145845/trump-makes-it-official-hes-going-to-pull-military-funding-because-congress-wont-kill-open-internet.shtml | |||
[9:15pm] malt: wait | |||
[9:15pm] malt: is that the bill with the criminal streaming statue? | |||
[9:15pm] jokeefe: saw that. The Senate GOP leadership said they will overrule him | |||
[9:16pm] malt: lol that would sting | |||
[9:16pm] srevilak: If they can get 2/3's majority to override veto | |||
[9:16pm] jokeefe: criminal streaming statute? | |||
[9:17pm] jokeefe: between Dems and GOP I expect they will overrule his veto | |||
[9:18pm] jokeefe: I am worried about this one https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20201204/11522445820/nancy-pelosi-sells-out-public-agrees-to-put-massive-copyright-reform-must-pass-spending-bill.shtml | |||
[9:18pm] srevilak: Pool: after trump leaves office, how long will it take for his twitter account to be disabled | |||
[9:18pm] malt: that's the one i meant | |||
[9:19pm] Joe: lol Steve | |||
[9:19pm] jokeefe: 1 week, would be my guess | |||
[9:19pm] malt: man i hope it's soon as he's dragged out | |||
[9:20pm] malt: the new york AG was saying they think he's going to step down for pence to pardon him | |||
[9:21pm] srevilak: LOSER! | |||
[9:23pm] jokeefe: I’ll write something on the copyright end run. We have mentioned it in the pass. | |||
[9:23pm] jokeefe: past | |||
[9:23pm] srevilak: What about the MA bill that bans facial recognition tech. Except for the DMV, who's apparently already using it. | |||
[9:24pm] srevilak: Or at least I recall hearing something to that effect | |||
[9:24pm] jokeefe: https://masspirates.org/blog/2020/12/07/pirate-news-tell-gov-baker-sign-the-police-reform-bill/ | |||
[9:24pm] jokeefe: call baker and tell him to sign the bill | |||
[9:24pm] malt left the chat room. (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) | |||
[9:24pm] malt joined the chat room. | |||
[9:25pm] jokeefe: Video Newsletter/Podcast | |||
[9:25pm] jokeefe: Turq.io folks are interested in attending. | |||
[9:26pm] jokeefe: 7pm, with start at 7:30pm? | |||
[9:26pm] jokeefe: Might go long | |||
[9:27pm] srevilak: No problem with that | |||
[9:28pm] jokeefe: Ok with you malt/Joe? | |||
[9:28pm] malt: i hope to make it, yeah | |||
[9:29pm] jokeefe: great | |||
[9:30pm] jokeefe: Democracy and Dogfood (Tech) | |||
[9:30pm] jokeefe: We have a meeting Saturday at 11am | |||
[9:32pm] Joe: sorry for the delayed response. That sounds good though lets have you run it this week. | |||
[9:32pm] malt left the chat room. (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) | |||
[9:32pm] malt joined the chat room. | |||
[9:33pm] Joe: multitasking | |||
[9:33pm] jokeefe: no worries. Joe. thanks | |||
[9:36pm] jokeefe: MassMesh continues to make progress. | |||
[9:36pm] jokeefe: That is all I have at this time. | |||
[9:37pm] malt left the chat room. (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) | |||
[9:37pm] malt joined the chat room. | |||
[9:37pm] Joe: I don't have much to add either. | |||
[9:37pm] Joe: motion to adjourn? | |||
[9:37pm] srevilak: Nothing else here. | |||
[9:37pm] srevilak: Second | |||
[9:37pm] malt: bl3h, this meeting has been running for 4 hours | |||
[9:38pm] jokeefe: ? | |||
[9:38pm] srevilak: malt: what's the meeting? | |||
[9:38pm] malt: amazon taking over the old greendale mall | |||
[9:38pm] Joe: the town meeting | |||
[9:38pm] malt: planning commission | |||
[9:38pm] malt: opposition is STAUNCH | |||
[9:38pm] jokeefe: ah | |||
[9:38pm] srevilak: Warehouse? | |||
[9:38pm] Joe: gnight and gl Malt! | |||
[9:38pm] malt: local distribution hub | |||
[9:38pm] malt: night buds | |||
[9:39pm] Joe left the chat room. (Quit: -a- IRC for Android 2.1.59) | |||
[9:39pm] malt left the chat room. (Client Quit) | |||
[9:39pm] jokeefe: have a good night srevilak | |||
[9:39pm] jokeefe: I’ll put up the transcript if you would write the summary, srevilak | |||
</nowiki> | </nowiki> |
Latest revision as of 21:40, 9 December 2020
Review
Decisions/Endorsements
Facebook Statement
Cancel IRC meeting on the 30th?
Projects
Goals for Q4 2021:
- Organize meetups
- Revise platform
- Organize Fundraiser
- Organize candidate trainings
Video Newsletter/Podcast
Leader: Joseph
- Next pirate news recording scheduled for Sunday, 7pm unless changed
- Topic is interview with founder of turq.io, Tim Wallis, and likely tech lead
- What to ask?
Democracy and Dogfood (Tech)
Next meeting is Dec 12, 11am-1pm on-line
Surveillance Mapping
- Come up with a how to instructions
- Paper - done
- iPhone - done
- Android
- Come up with how to videos
Regional Meetings/Events
In-person events, including outdoor events, on hold until COVID-19 numbers go down.
Leader: jokeefe
2021
Boston Pride Festival
- table booked
- setup signup sheet
- Announce
- Need to purchase insurance
- Need volunteer sign up form
- Tie to an activity, mapping the CCTV cameras in Boston or along the Pride parade route?
Campaigns
- Free the Moderna Vaccine
- Planning new event
Bills
Federal
- EARN IT Act
- PATRIOT Act renewal
State
- Legislature extended session
- Push to get Right to Repair bill to a vote.
- Some of facial recognition moratorium is in the police reform bill
Computer donations
Platform Discussion
Moved to 2020 Platform Discussion
Other To Do
- Application to PPI
- Post statement on Archive.org Suit
- Post statement on our opposition to S.4051 - Lawful Access to Encrypted Data Act.
Tabled Projects
FOSS Tutorials
Worcester farm group is interested in having some FOSS tutorials. Perhaps:
- how to do basic labels in GIMP,
- work through a few sample spreadsheets related to seed cost and
- similarly applicable real-world situations, depending on the needs of the group
Basically how to do graph design & product management with open source tools. Malt will put together a one paragraph description of what we need and we can mail it out to ask pirates to help.
Upcoming Events
- Every Tuesday, 7-9pm, Mass MeshNet Tech Meeting, on-line
- Sat., 12/12, 11am-1pm, 'Democracy Meeting, on-line
Participants
- Joe (Joseph Onoroski, Lowell)
- jokeefe (James O’Keefe, Somerville)
- malt (sam capradae, worcester)
- srevilak (Steve Revilak, Arlington)
Observers
- ChanServ
- davidd
- hvxgr
- Deffy
- mikey
- slerman
Summary
- See https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20201209/13320045855/open-season-ftc-48-attorneys-general-file-separate-antitrust-lawsuits-against-facebook.shtml
- https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/12/09/business/48-states-file-lawsuit-against-facebook-landmark-antitrust-offensive-big-tech-ny-ag-says/
- Space to work on our own statement. https://etherpad.pp-international.net/p/MAPPFacebookStatement
- Court filing (per Techdirt) https://beta.documentcloud.org/documents/20421893-1910134fbcomplaint
Pirate News
- Prep at 7pm. Start at 7:30.
- Folks from https://turq.io/ will be joining us.
Tech
- Tech meeting Saturday. 11am
MassMesh
- continue to make progress
Minutes
[9:02pm] jokeefe: Agenda: https://masspirates.org/wiki/December_9th,_2020_IRC_Meeting [9:02pm] jokeefe: ahoy srevilak [9:02pm] jokeefe: anything to add? [9:02pm] Joe: I totally understand you there. [9:02pm] jokeefe: please id [9:02pm] srevilak: hi jokeefe [9:03pm] jokeefe: James O’Keefe, Somerville [9:03pm] Joe: Joseph Onoroski, Lowell [9:03pm] srevilak: Steve Revilak, Arlington [9:03pm] Joe: Ahoy Steve [9:03pm] srevilak: hi Joe [9:04pm] jokeefe: Decisions/Endorsements [9:04pm] jokeefe: Facebook Statement [9:04pm] malt joined the chat room. [9:04pm] jokeefe: ahoy malt [9:04pm] malt: sam capradae, worcester [9:05pm] malt: sorry i'm late, still in a city commission meeting [9:05pm] jokeefe: More on the recent suits against FB - https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20201209/13320045855/open-season-ftc-48-attorneys-general-file-separate-antitrust-lawsuits-against-facebook.shtml [9:05pm] jokeefe: sounds important [9:05pm] srevilak: I was going to say, I heard our AG was suing them [9:05pm] jokeefe: yes [9:05pm] jokeefe: setup a place to write something of our own https://etherpad.pp-international.net/p/MAPPFacebookStatement [9:06pm] jokeefe: Was thinking: Breakup Facebook? Why stop there! [9:07pm] jokeefe: and go on to talk about breaking up the telecoms companies and any concentrated industry [9:07pm] malt: i'm all for that idea but i don't trust the motivations [9:08pm] srevilak: One think I really like about techdirt. Their stories about lawsuits typically contain links to the court filings. [9:09pm] jokeefe: yes [9:10pm] srevilak: Bedtime reading [9:11pm] jokeefe: Malt, would you be willing to write up a draft statement? [9:11pm] malt: sure [9:12pm] jokeefe: thank you [9:14pm] jokeefe: Shall we cancel the meeting on the 30th since it is next to new years eve? [9:14pm] malt: i think it's wise [9:14pm] malt: i do observe Devil's Night [9:14pm] Joe: aye [9:14pm] srevilak: I'm fine with that [9:14pm] jokeefe: hopefully safely [9:15pm] jokeefe: ok, will post that. [9:15pm] malt: chuckin eggs and toilet paper [9:15pm] srevilak: This is funny: https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20201208/13420145845/trump-makes-it-official-hes-going-to-pull-military-funding-because-congress-wont-kill-open-internet.shtml [9:15pm] malt: wait [9:15pm] malt: is that the bill with the criminal streaming statue? [9:15pm] jokeefe: saw that. The Senate GOP leadership said they will overrule him [9:16pm] malt: lol that would sting [9:16pm] srevilak: If they can get 2/3's majority to override veto [9:16pm] jokeefe: criminal streaming statute? [9:17pm] jokeefe: between Dems and GOP I expect they will overrule his veto [9:18pm] jokeefe: I am worried about this one https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20201204/11522445820/nancy-pelosi-sells-out-public-agrees-to-put-massive-copyright-reform-must-pass-spending-bill.shtml [9:18pm] srevilak: Pool: after trump leaves office, how long will it take for his twitter account to be disabled [9:18pm] malt: that's the one i meant [9:19pm] Joe: lol Steve [9:19pm] jokeefe: 1 week, would be my guess [9:19pm] malt: man i hope it's soon as he's dragged out [9:20pm] malt: the new york AG was saying they think he's going to step down for pence to pardon him [9:21pm] srevilak: LOSER! [9:23pm] jokeefe: I’ll write something on the copyright end run. We have mentioned it in the pass. [9:23pm] jokeefe: past [9:23pm] srevilak: What about the MA bill that bans facial recognition tech. Except for the DMV, who's apparently already using it. [9:24pm] srevilak: Or at least I recall hearing something to that effect [9:24pm] jokeefe: https://masspirates.org/blog/2020/12/07/pirate-news-tell-gov-baker-sign-the-police-reform-bill/ [9:24pm] jokeefe: call baker and tell him to sign the bill [9:24pm] malt left the chat room. (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) [9:24pm] malt joined the chat room. [9:25pm] jokeefe: Video Newsletter/Podcast [9:25pm] jokeefe: Turq.io folks are interested in attending. [9:26pm] jokeefe: 7pm, with start at 7:30pm? [9:26pm] jokeefe: Might go long [9:27pm] srevilak: No problem with that [9:28pm] jokeefe: Ok with you malt/Joe? [9:28pm] malt: i hope to make it, yeah [9:29pm] jokeefe: great [9:30pm] jokeefe: Democracy and Dogfood (Tech) [9:30pm] jokeefe: We have a meeting Saturday at 11am [9:32pm] Joe: sorry for the delayed response. That sounds good though lets have you run it this week. [9:32pm] malt left the chat room. (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) [9:32pm] malt joined the chat room. [9:33pm] Joe: multitasking [9:33pm] jokeefe: no worries. Joe. thanks [9:36pm] jokeefe: MassMesh continues to make progress. [9:36pm] jokeefe: That is all I have at this time. [9:37pm] malt left the chat room. (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) [9:37pm] malt joined the chat room. [9:37pm] Joe: I don't have much to add either. [9:37pm] Joe: motion to adjourn? [9:37pm] srevilak: Nothing else here. [9:37pm] srevilak: Second [9:37pm] malt: bl3h, this meeting has been running for 4 hours [9:38pm] jokeefe: ? [9:38pm] srevilak: malt: what's the meeting? [9:38pm] malt: amazon taking over the old greendale mall [9:38pm] Joe: the town meeting [9:38pm] malt: planning commission [9:38pm] malt: opposition is STAUNCH [9:38pm] jokeefe: ah [9:38pm] srevilak: Warehouse? [9:38pm] Joe: gnight and gl Malt! [9:38pm] malt: local distribution hub [9:38pm] malt: night buds [9:39pm] Joe left the chat room. (Quit: -a- IRC for Android 2.1.59) [9:39pm] malt left the chat room. (Client Quit) [9:39pm] jokeefe: have a good night srevilak [9:39pm] jokeefe: I’ll put up the transcript if you would write the summary, srevilak