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== Summary ==
== Summary ==


Facebook. See https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20201209/13320045855/open-season-ftc-48-attorneys-general-file-separate-antitrust-lawsuits-against-facebook.shtml
Facebook   
* See https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20201209/13320045855/open-season-ftc-48-attorneys-general-file-separate-antitrust-lawsuits-against-facebook.shtml
* https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/12/09/business/48-states-file-lawsuit-against-facebook-landmark-antitrust-offensive-big-tech-ny-ag-says/
* Space to work on our own statement.  https://etherpad.pp-international.net/p/MAPPFacebookStatement
* Court filing (per Techdirt) https://beta.documentcloud.org/documents/20421893-1910134fbcomplaint
 
Pirate News
* Prep at 7pm.  Start at 7:30.
* Folks from https://turq.io/ will be joining us.
 
Tech
* Tech meeting Saturday.  11am
 
MassMesh
* continue to make progress


== Minutes ==
== Minutes ==


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[9:02pm] jokeefe: Agenda: https://masspirates.org/wiki/December_9th,_2020_IRC_Meeting
 
[9:02pm] jokeefe: ahoy srevilak
[9:02pm] jokeefe: anything to add?
[9:02pm] Joe: I totally understand you there.
[9:02pm] jokeefe: please id
[9:02pm] srevilak: hi jokeefe
[9:03pm] jokeefe: James O’Keefe, Somerville
[9:03pm] Joe: Joseph Onoroski, Lowell
[9:03pm] srevilak:  Steve Revilak, Arlington
[9:03pm] Joe: Ahoy Steve
[9:03pm] srevilak: hi Joe
[9:04pm] jokeefe: Decisions/Endorsements
[9:04pm] jokeefe: Facebook Statement
[9:04pm] malt joined the chat room.
[9:04pm] jokeefe: ahoy malt
[9:04pm] malt: sam capradae, worcester
[9:05pm] malt: sorry i'm late, still in a city commission meeting
[9:05pm] jokeefe: More on the recent suits against FB - https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20201209/13320045855/open-season-ftc-48-attorneys-general-file-separate-antitrust-lawsuits-against-facebook.shtml
[9:05pm] jokeefe: sounds important
[9:05pm] srevilak: I was going to say, I heard our AG was suing them
[9:05pm] jokeefe: yes
[9:05pm] jokeefe: setup a place to write something of our own https://etherpad.pp-international.net/p/MAPPFacebookStatement
[9:06pm] jokeefe: Was thinking: Breakup Facebook? Why stop there!
[9:07pm] jokeefe: and go on to talk about breaking up the telecoms companies and any concentrated industry
[9:07pm] malt: i'm all for that idea but i don't trust the motivations
[9:08pm] srevilak: One think I really like about techdirt.  Their stories about lawsuits typically contain links to the court filings.
[9:09pm] jokeefe: yes
[9:10pm] srevilak: Bedtime reading
[9:11pm] jokeefe: Malt, would you be willing to write up a draft statement?
[9:11pm] malt: sure
[9:12pm] jokeefe: thank you
[9:14pm] jokeefe: Shall we cancel the meeting on the 30th since it is next to new years eve?
[9:14pm] malt: i think it's wise
[9:14pm] malt: i do observe Devil's Night
[9:14pm] Joe: aye
[9:14pm] srevilak: I'm fine with that
[9:14pm] jokeefe: hopefully safely
[9:15pm] jokeefe: ok, will post that.
[9:15pm] malt: chuckin eggs and toilet paper
[9:15pm] srevilak: This is funny: https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20201208/13420145845/trump-makes-it-official-hes-going-to-pull-military-funding-because-congress-wont-kill-open-internet.shtml
[9:15pm] malt: wait
[9:15pm] malt: is that the bill with the criminal streaming statue?
[9:15pm] jokeefe: saw that. The Senate GOP leadership said they will overrule him
[9:16pm] malt: lol that would sting
[9:16pm] srevilak: If they can get 2/3's majority to override veto
[9:16pm] jokeefe: criminal streaming statute?
[9:17pm] jokeefe: between Dems and GOP I expect they will overrule his veto
[9:18pm] jokeefe: I am worried about this one https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20201204/11522445820/nancy-pelosi-sells-out-public-agrees-to-put-massive-copyright-reform-must-pass-spending-bill.shtml
[9:18pm] srevilak: Pool: after trump leaves office, how long will it take for his twitter account to be disabled
[9:18pm] malt: that's the one i meant
[9:19pm] Joe: lol Steve
[9:19pm] jokeefe: 1 week, would be my guess
[9:19pm] malt: man i hope it's soon as he's dragged out
[9:20pm] malt: the new york AG was saying they think he's going to step down for pence to pardon him
[9:21pm] srevilak: LOSER!
[9:23pm] jokeefe: I’ll write something on the copyright end run. We have mentioned it in the pass.
[9:23pm] jokeefe: past
[9:23pm] srevilak: What about the MA bill that bans facial recognition tech.  Except for the DMV, who's apparently already using it.
[9:24pm] srevilak: Or at least I recall hearing something to that effect
[9:24pm] jokeefe: https://masspirates.org/blog/2020/12/07/pirate-news-tell-gov-baker-sign-the-police-reform-bill/
[9:24pm] jokeefe: call baker and tell him to sign the bill
[9:24pm] malt left the chat room. (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)
[9:24pm] malt joined the chat room.
[9:25pm] jokeefe: Video Newsletter/Podcast
[9:25pm] jokeefe: Turq.io folks are interested in attending.
[9:26pm] jokeefe: 7pm, with start at 7:30pm?
[9:26pm] jokeefe: Might go long
[9:27pm] srevilak: No problem with that
[9:28pm] jokeefe: Ok with you malt/Joe?
[9:28pm] malt: i hope to make it, yeah
[9:29pm] jokeefe: great
[9:30pm] jokeefe: Democracy and Dogfood (Tech)
[9:30pm] jokeefe: We have a meeting Saturday at 11am
[9:32pm] Joe: sorry for the delayed response. That sounds good though lets have you run it this week.
[9:32pm] malt left the chat room. (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)
[9:32pm] malt joined the chat room.
[9:33pm] Joe: multitasking
[9:33pm] jokeefe: no worries. Joe. thanks
[9:36pm] jokeefe: MassMesh continues to make progress.
[9:36pm] jokeefe: That is all I have at this time.
[9:37pm] malt left the chat room. (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)
[9:37pm] malt joined the chat room.
[9:37pm] Joe: I don't have much to add either.
[9:37pm] Joe: motion to adjourn?
[9:37pm] srevilak: Nothing else here.
[9:37pm] srevilak: Second
[9:37pm] malt: bl3h, this meeting has been running for 4 hours
[9:38pm] jokeefe: ?
[9:38pm] srevilak: malt: what's the meeting?
[9:38pm] malt: amazon taking over the old greendale mall
[9:38pm] Joe: the town meeting
[9:38pm] malt: planning commission
[9:38pm] malt: opposition is STAUNCH
[9:38pm] jokeefe: ah
[9:38pm] srevilak: Warehouse?
[9:38pm] Joe: gnight and gl Malt!
[9:38pm] malt: local distribution hub
[9:38pm] malt: night buds
[9:39pm] Joe left the chat room. (Quit: -a- IRC for Android 2.1.59)
[9:39pm] malt left the chat room. (Client Quit)
[9:39pm] jokeefe: have a good night srevilak
[9:39pm] jokeefe: I’ll put up the transcript if you would write the summary, srevilak






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Latest revision as of 21:40, 9 December 2020

Review

Decisions/Endorsements

Facebook Statement

info

Statement etherpad

Cancel IRC meeting on the 30th?

Projects

Goals for Q4 2021:

  • Organize meetups
  • Revise platform
  • Organize Fundraiser
  • Organize candidate trainings

Video Newsletter/Podcast

Leader: Joseph

  • Next pirate news recording scheduled for Sunday, 7pm unless changed
  • Topic is interview with founder of turq.io, Tim Wallis, and likely tech lead
  • What to ask?

Democracy and Dogfood (Tech)

Next meeting is Dec 12, 11am-1pm on-line

Surveillance Mapping

  • Come up with a how to instructions
    • Paper - done
    • iPhone - done
    • Android
  • Come up with how to videos

Regional Meetings/Events

In-person events, including outdoor events, on hold until COVID-19 numbers go down.

Leader: jokeefe

2021

Boston Pride Festival

  • table booked
  • setup signup sheet
  • Announce
  • Need to purchase insurance
  • Need volunteer sign up form
  • Tie to an activity, mapping the CCTV cameras in Boston or along the Pride parade route?

Campaigns

  • Free the Moderna Vaccine
    • Planning new event

Bills

Federal

  • EARN IT Act
  • PATRIOT Act renewal

State

  • Legislature extended session
  • Push to get Right to Repair bill to a vote.
  • Some of facial recognition moratorium is in the police reform bill

Computer donations

Platform Discussion

Moved to 2020 Platform Discussion

Other To Do

  • Application to PPI
  • Post statement on Archive.org Suit
  • Post statement on our opposition to S.4051 - Lawful Access to Encrypted Data Act.


Tabled Projects

FOSS Tutorials

Worcester farm group is interested in having some FOSS tutorials. Perhaps:

  • how to do basic labels in GIMP,
  • work through a few sample spreadsheets related to seed cost and
  • similarly applicable real-world situations, depending on the needs of the group

Basically how to do graph design & product management with open source tools. Malt will put together a one paragraph description of what we need and we can mail it out to ask pirates to help.

Upcoming Events

  • Every Tuesday, 7-9pm, Mass MeshNet Tech Meeting, on-line
  • Sat., 12/12, 11am-1pm, 'Democracy Meeting, on-line

Participants

  • Joe (Joseph Onoroski, Lowell)
  • jokeefe (James O’Keefe, Somerville)
  • malt (sam capradae, worcester)
  • srevilak (Steve Revilak, Arlington)

Observers

  • ChanServ
  • davidd
  • hvxgr
  • Deffy
  • mikey
  • slerman

Summary

Facebook

Pirate News

Tech

  • Tech meeting Saturday. 11am

MassMesh

  • continue to make progress

Minutes

 
[9:02pm] jokeefe: Agenda: https://masspirates.org/wiki/December_9th,_2020_IRC_Meeting
[9:02pm] jokeefe: ahoy srevilak
[9:02pm] jokeefe: anything to add?
[9:02pm] Joe: I totally understand you there.
[9:02pm] jokeefe: please id
[9:02pm] srevilak: hi jokeefe
[9:03pm] jokeefe: James O’Keefe, Somerville
[9:03pm] Joe: Joseph Onoroski, Lowell
[9:03pm] srevilak:  Steve Revilak, Arlington
[9:03pm] Joe: Ahoy Steve
[9:03pm] srevilak: hi Joe
[9:04pm] jokeefe: Decisions/Endorsements
[9:04pm] jokeefe: Facebook Statement
[9:04pm] malt joined the chat room.
[9:04pm] jokeefe: ahoy malt
[9:04pm] malt: sam capradae, worcester
[9:05pm] malt: sorry i'm late, still in a city commission meeting
[9:05pm] jokeefe: More on the recent suits against FB - https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20201209/13320045855/open-season-ftc-48-attorneys-general-file-separate-antitrust-lawsuits-against-facebook.shtml
[9:05pm] jokeefe: sounds important
[9:05pm] srevilak: I was going to say, I heard our AG was suing them
[9:05pm] jokeefe: yes
[9:05pm] jokeefe: setup a place to write something of our own https://etherpad.pp-international.net/p/MAPPFacebookStatement
[9:06pm] jokeefe: Was thinking: Breakup Facebook? Why stop there!
[9:07pm] jokeefe: and go on to talk about breaking up the telecoms companies and any concentrated industry
[9:07pm] malt: i'm all for that idea but i don't trust the motivations
[9:08pm] srevilak: One think I really like about techdirt.  Their stories about lawsuits typically contain links to the court filings.
[9:09pm] jokeefe: yes
[9:10pm] srevilak: Bedtime reading
[9:11pm] jokeefe: Malt, would you be willing to write up a draft statement?
[9:11pm] malt: sure
[9:12pm] jokeefe: thank you
[9:14pm] jokeefe: Shall we cancel the meeting on the 30th since it is next to new years eve?
[9:14pm] malt: i think it's wise
[9:14pm] malt: i do observe Devil's Night
[9:14pm] Joe: aye
[9:14pm] srevilak: I'm fine with that
[9:14pm] jokeefe: hopefully safely
[9:15pm] jokeefe: ok, will post that.
[9:15pm] malt: chuckin eggs and toilet paper
[9:15pm] srevilak: This is funny: https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20201208/13420145845/trump-makes-it-official-hes-going-to-pull-military-funding-because-congress-wont-kill-open-internet.shtml
[9:15pm] malt: wait
[9:15pm] malt: is that the bill with the criminal streaming statue?
[9:15pm] jokeefe: saw that. The Senate GOP leadership said they will overrule him
[9:16pm] malt: lol that would sting
[9:16pm] srevilak: If they can get 2/3's majority to override veto
[9:16pm] jokeefe: criminal streaming statute?
[9:17pm] jokeefe: between Dems and GOP I expect they will overrule his veto
[9:18pm] jokeefe: I am worried about this one https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20201204/11522445820/nancy-pelosi-sells-out-public-agrees-to-put-massive-copyright-reform-must-pass-spending-bill.shtml
[9:18pm] srevilak: Pool: after trump leaves office, how long will it take for his twitter account to be disabled
[9:18pm] malt: that's the one i meant
[9:19pm] Joe: lol Steve
[9:19pm] jokeefe: 1 week, would be my guess
[9:19pm] malt: man i hope it's soon as he's dragged out
[9:20pm] malt: the new york AG was saying they think he's going to step down for pence to pardon him
[9:21pm] srevilak: LOSER!
[9:23pm] jokeefe: I’ll write something on the copyright end run. We have mentioned it in the pass.
[9:23pm] jokeefe: past
[9:23pm] srevilak: What about the MA bill that bans facial recognition tech.  Except for the DMV, who's apparently already using it.
[9:24pm] srevilak: Or at least I recall hearing something to that effect
[9:24pm] jokeefe: https://masspirates.org/blog/2020/12/07/pirate-news-tell-gov-baker-sign-the-police-reform-bill/
[9:24pm] jokeefe: call baker and tell him to sign the bill
[9:24pm] malt left the chat room. (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)
[9:24pm] malt joined the chat room.
[9:25pm] jokeefe: Video Newsletter/Podcast
[9:25pm] jokeefe: Turq.io folks are interested in attending.
[9:26pm] jokeefe: 7pm, with start at 7:30pm?
[9:26pm] jokeefe: Might go long
[9:27pm] srevilak: No problem with that
[9:28pm] jokeefe: Ok with you malt/Joe?
[9:28pm] malt: i hope to make it, yeah
[9:29pm] jokeefe: great
[9:30pm] jokeefe: Democracy and Dogfood (Tech)
[9:30pm] jokeefe: We have a meeting Saturday at 11am
[9:32pm] Joe: sorry for the delayed response. That sounds good though lets have you run it this week.
[9:32pm] malt left the chat room. (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)
[9:32pm] malt joined the chat room.
[9:33pm] Joe: multitasking
[9:33pm] jokeefe: no worries. Joe. thanks
[9:36pm] jokeefe: MassMesh continues to make progress.
[9:36pm] jokeefe: That is all I have at this time.
[9:37pm] malt left the chat room. (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)
[9:37pm] malt joined the chat room.
[9:37pm] Joe: I don't have much to add either.
[9:37pm] Joe: motion to adjourn?
[9:37pm] srevilak: Nothing else here.
[9:37pm] srevilak: Second
[9:37pm] malt: bl3h, this meeting has been running for 4 hours
[9:38pm] jokeefe: ?
[9:38pm] srevilak: malt: what's the meeting?
[9:38pm] malt: amazon taking over the old greendale mall
[9:38pm] Joe: the town meeting
[9:38pm] malt: planning commission
[9:38pm] malt: opposition is STAUNCH
[9:38pm] jokeefe: ah
[9:38pm] srevilak: Warehouse?
[9:38pm] Joe: gnight and gl Malt!
[9:38pm] malt: local distribution hub
[9:38pm] malt: night buds
[9:39pm] Joe left the chat room. (Quit: -a- IRC for Android 2.1.59)
[9:39pm] malt left the chat room. (Client Quit)
[9:39pm] jokeefe: have a good night srevilak
[9:39pm] jokeefe: I’ll put up the transcript if you would write the summary, srevilak
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