June 5th, 2012 IRC Meeting

Agenda

1. Boston Pride

2. Public Policy Question

3. National Party News

4. Moving this meeting to Thursdays?

Quick Notes / Summaries Re Proposed Bills to be Discussed:

1. Boston Pride

Status:

• Insurance all setup
• Boat partially built
• David H. will setup table
• 8'x3' banner will be ready Wednesday.
• Chris Reynolds posted a draft statement for Pride.

Attending

• jokeefe - James O'Keefe, Somerville
• SplendidSpoon - Lauren Pespisa, Boxboro/Cambridge
• passstab -
• [bsod] -

Observers:

• brandonj
• hwkns
• illunatic
• [Derek]

Summary

1. Boston Pride

Action items:

• Jeanne working for fliers
• Drum up people to march/table
• Finishing ship

2. Public Policy Question

Common Cause has a anti-Citizens United public policy question we could help with. More at http://www.commoncause.org/site/pp.asp?c=dkLNK1MQIwG&b=8090173 . Folks seemed supportive, but will see what others who didn't attend think.

3. National Party News

No updates.

4. Moving this meeting to Thursdays & moving IRC servers?

jokeefe will post a poll on the IRC meeting. Folks seems supportive of moving IRC servers.

Meeting Minutes

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[12:03] <jokeefe> hi all! [12:03] <jokeefe> agenda at http://masspirates.org/wiki/index.php?title=June_5th,_2012_IRC_Meeting [12:04] <passstab> hi [12:04] <SplendidSpoon> hey [12:07] <passstab> are there pix of the ship? [12:07] <jokeefe> yes, but it isn't completed yet [12:07] <jokeefe> did you take any SplendidSpoon? [12:08] <SplendidSpoon> I didn't because frankly we didn't get that far [12:08] <SplendidSpoon> Mostly just the mast and body stuff [12:08] <SplendidSpoon> But Jeane still needs to paint [12:08] <passstab> good to take picture of every step [12:09] <jokeefe> Do you have time to work on it tomorrow after work, Splendid? [12:10] <jokeefe> I believe I can help finish the mast tomorrow. [12:11] <jokeefe> Don't want to do it Friday. I may not be seeing Prometheus then, but still would like a good nights sleep. :-) [12:12] <[bsod]> i always forget when its tuesday [12:12] <passstab> me too [12:12] <jokeefe> does that apply to any days or just Tuesdays? ;-) [12:12] <[bsod]> did i miss the meeting [12:12] <jokeefe> no just starting [12:12] <[bsod]> most all and any days lol [12:12] <jokeefe> lol [12:13] <passstab> jus tuesday [12:13] <jokeefe> going to go drum up erik [12:13] <[bsod]> so my wife got the day off for pride, and we'd love to stop by and hang out, but too lazy to volunteer any time on the table [12:13] <[bsod]> our kid will be with us and i still have to explain to my wife what a pirate party is [12:13] <passstab> so thats why you should move it to thursday [12:14] <passstab> [bsod], lol yes you do [12:14] <[bsod]> people have more important meetings on thursdays [12:14] <jokeefe> we may press gang you for the table, arrrr! [12:15] <[bsod]> heh sure, if all works well and we have time and she doesnt mind [12:15] <[bsod]> play it by ear [12:16] <jokeefe> So Pride is coming along - [12:16] <[bsod]> along Boylston St. between Copley Sq. and the Hynes Convention Center [12:16] <[bsod]> thats cambridge isnt it [12:16] <jokeefe> * Insurance all setup * Boat partially built * David H. will setup table * 8'x3' banner will be ready Wednesday. * Chris Reynolds posted a draft statement for Pride. [12:16] <jokeefe> boston [12:17] <[bsod]> trying to remember whats the famous thing i rememeber being at Copley Sq [12:17] <jokeefe> action items are: 1) finish boat, 2) fliers/postcards 3) get more people [12:17] <passstab> shouldn't 3 be first? [12:17] <[bsod]> i thought the fliers looked done [12:17] <jokeefe> Boston Public library, trinity church, john hancock building [12:18] <[bsod]> maybe i just remember passing it on the subway alot? [12:18] <[bsod]> is that the green line or red line [12:18] <jokeefe> Order is not priority, passstab [12:18] <jokeefe> green line [12:18] <[bsod]> k, maybe ill get there that way then [12:18] <[bsod]> i used to subway boston all the time as a teen [12:19] <[bsod]> otherwise, i havent even been to boston in a good 15 years or so [12:19] <[bsod]> cept to the science museum and aquarium a couple time [12:19] <[bsod]> s [12:20] <jokeefe> of course with the boat done we can use that to entice people to join us [12:20] <[bsod]> hopefully [12:20] <jokeefe> Splendid, have you heard anything as to where we are in the march order? [12:22] <[bsod]> pfft, busy working [12:23] <jokeefe> yes [12:24] <jokeefe> So please spread the word that we are looking for pirates to march with us. [12:24] <jokeefe> Item 2. Public Policy Question [12:25] <[bsod]> hmm, whatever happened to that censorship law [12:25] <[bsod]> http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2010/07/new-massachusetts-law-extends-censorship-to-im-e-mail-web/ [12:26] <[bsod]> hmm, updated http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2011/04/massachusetts-finally-patches-overbroad-harmful-to-minors-law/ [12:27] <[bsod]> nah nevermind [12:27] <[bsod]> whats a pirate issue specific to massachusetts [12:28] <jokeefe> Well, Common Cause is gathering signatures for a public policy question opposing Citizens United [12:28] <jokeefe> See: http://www.commoncause.org/site/pp.asp?c=dkLNK1MQIwG&b=8090173 [12:28] <passstab> link? [12:28] <[bsod]> what's Citizens United [12:28] <passstab> lol really? [12:29] <jokeefe> allows corps unlimited spending to buy, i mean influence, elections [12:29] <jokeefe> because corps are people, except when they help genocide [12:29] <[bsod]> i thought the supreme court already ruled on that [12:30] <passstab> thats why it will be hard [12:30] <jokeefe> Shall the state representative from this district be instructed to vote in favor of a resolution calling upon Congress to propose an amendment to the U.S. Constitution affirming that (1) corporations are not entitled to the constitutional rights of human beings, and (2) both Congress and the States may place limits on political contributions and political spending? [12:30] <jokeefe> is the text [12:30] <jokeefe> it is non binding, but it would give us an opportunity to organize folks [12:31] <jokeefe> throwing it out there [12:31] <[bsod]> so we should join their petition you're suggesting ? [12:31] <passstab> why not? [12:31] <jokeefe> was my idea. organize pirates to gather signatures [12:31] <jokeefe> then have them do something else in July, etc. [12:32] <[bsod]> hmm, we need a way to make it look like we've contributed more than we actually did [12:32] <[bsod]> hehe [12:32] <passstab> does this make it harder to talk about are core issues? [12:32] <passstab> i.e piracy? [12:33] <[bsod]> is that even a core issue [12:33] <passstab> well not piracy itself [12:33] <[bsod]> lol [12:33] <[bsod]> copyright [12:33] <passstab> but copyright [12:33] <passstab> yea [12:35] <passstab> my point is, it might get weird to have the exchange [12:35] <jokeefe> "people first" [12:35] <passstab> "hi sign this petition to make corps != people" [12:35] <passstab> "sure" [12:36] <[bsod]> including the mpaa [12:36] <passstab> "who are you" [12:36] <passstab> "the mass pirate party" [12:36] <passstab> "!!!" [12:37] <[bsod]> are there enough pirates to actually do anything or would it be more like we superficially endourse a bill and use the internet to try to promote people to sign it [12:38] <passstab> you probably could get 20, no?

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<passstab> are we done? <[bsod]> heh, until he comes back and SplendidSpoon participates i guess <[bsod]> there arent enough people attending here today to actually represent or vote on anything <passstab> anyone here who might come to #fosscon ? <passstab> http://fosscon.org/about <passstab> it would be cool if one of you came to speak <SplendidSpoon> sorry, coworker was using my computer <[bsod]> those assholes <SplendidSpoon> to help with something, took a lot longer than expected <SplendidSpoon> this is not the best time for meetings for me hehe <[bsod]> lol <[bsod]> waiting to see if keefe returns now <SplendidSpoon> ok <SplendidSpoon> also, seems Jeane was going to finish the ship herself

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[12:53] <SplendidSpoon> it was just the painting part that needed to be done, couldn't do it in that weather [12:53] <SplendidSpoon> So she said she'd take care of it [12:53] <SplendidSpoon> she took pics all along the way though [12:53] <[bsod]> ok [12:53] <jokeefe> sorry, had to get the door, then got dropped [12:53] <SplendidSpoon> sorry thats where I got interrupted by work [12:54] <jokeefe> bsod, would you send me the log from 12:38 to 12:52? [12:54] <[bsod]> sure [12:55] <jokeefe> thanks! so, does joining the common cause petition drive work for folks? [12:55] <[bsod]> http://www.pastebay.net/1062578?p=fart&submit=unlock [12:56] <SplendidSpoon> Sure [12:56] <[bsod]> im fine with it, i just dont think there are enough people here to accuratly represent the group [12:56] <SplendidSpoon> Also - about parade lineup, no idea where we are in the order but we are near anarchist-queers, stonewall warriors and Local 27 union [12:57] <[bsod]> lol anarchist-queers [12:57] <[bsod]> thats a thing? [12:57] <SplendidSpoon> Apparently [12:57] <[bsod]> sounds fun [12:57] <jokeefe> sounds like some good groups to be with [12:57] <passstab> as opposed to? [12:57] <SplendidSpoon> Some of my friends are in the group and like Pirates so I figured it'd be more fun [12:57] <passstab> :D [12:57] <SplendidSpoon> Plus we all have overlapping messaging somewhat [12:57] <SplendidSpoon> all these groups are "free Bradley Manning" types [12:57] <jokeefe> yay! [12:57] <SplendidSpoon> and Stonewall even support Tarek Mehaana [12:58] <SplendidSpoon> Tarek Mehanna* [12:58] <[bsod]> that name sounds familiar [12:58] <SplendidSpoon> That kid from Sudbury [12:58] <[bsod]> was that the wikileaks guy [12:58] <SplendidSpoon> no [12:58] <SplendidSpoon> he translated documents [12:58] <[bsod]> oh, the 'terrorist' [12:58] <SplendidSpoon> and got charged with aiding and abetting [12:58] <SplendidSpoon> right [12:58] <[bsod]> i remember now [12:58] <jokeefe> for translating [12:58] <SplendidSpoon> I haven't seen many groups come out in support of him so it's good to see them do it [12:58] <jokeefe> with intent to distribute [12:58] <[bsod]> do we care about joel tenenbaum [12:58] <SplendidSpoon> Right [12:58] <passstab> lets not get in the middle of that [12:59] <SplendidSpoon> Stonewall is a group defending people jailed bc of orientation or color [12:59] <SplendidSpoon> So basically, if someone's gay or brown in a controversial case, they gonna support [12:59] <jokeefe> :-) [13:00] <[bsod]> double points for a homosexual, negro acountant? [13:00] <SplendidSpoon> Talked to a few on Fri at Occupy they were cool folks and wanted to hear more about Pirates and were happy to march with us so yea [13:00] <SplendidSpoon> lol [13:00] <jokeefe> On the common cause effort, I'll ping other active folks to see if they are interested in us helping [13:01] <jokeefe> Erik isn't here to talk about 3. National Party News , unless you can speak to that Splendid? [13:01] <jokeefe> cool, Splendid, how was the June 1st occupy meeting? [13:02] <[bsod]> ive been frequently talking about beer in #uspp [13:02] <jokeefe> making it I hope [13:02] <[bsod]> is it odd that the leaders of the us pirate party are canadian [13:02] <SplendidSpoon> I haven't been to PNC meetings [13:02] <passstab> are they? [13:02] <[bsod]> lol [13:02] <SplendidSpoon> Occupy on Fri was alright...didn't feel that different than usual [13:03] <[bsod]> least 2 of em [13:03] <SplendidSpoon> Anti-Austerity action coming up on the 16th [13:03] <SplendidSpoon> and a fare strike on the 1st [13:03] <[bsod]> TravisMcCrea and teamcoltra [13:03] <SplendidSpoon> Socialist Alternative is interested in talking with me a lot about Pirate issues [13:03] <[bsod]> so many groups that ive never heard of [13:03] <jokeefe> cool, you should go on their show [13:04] <SplendidSpoon> Not that I'm gonna join them but I'm meeting with a girl from them to talk about copyright monopoly, and how 3rd parties should unite and stuff [13:04] <SplendidSpoon> They have a show? [13:04] <passstab> what is SA? [13:04] <SplendidSpoon> A Socialist group [13:04] <jokeefe> https://www.facebook.com/Socialist.Alternative.Radio [13:04] <[bsod]> should 3rd parties unite [13:04] <SplendidSpoon> I dunno, they are activists and stuff, and socialists, and seem alright [13:04] <[bsod]> thats what happened to the greens in our state isnt it [13:05] <SplendidSpoon> I don't mean unite as in join [13:05] <jokeefe> we agree where we can agree [13:05] <SplendidSpoon> I mean like, lets all unite to change electoral system [13:05] <jokeefe> aye! [13:05] <SplendidSpoon> So we all have better chance [13:05] <jokeefe> it worked in New Zealand [13:05] <SplendidSpoon> plus they don't get Pirate-POV much, lots of environmentalists and stuff join them but they interested to hear about internet freedoms and stuff [13:06] <SplendidSpoon> So I'll be having drinks with Emily on Thursday and chatting about it [13:06] <[bsod]> i was hoping the libertarians would lead to internet freedoms years ago [13:06] <jokeefe> great [13:06] <[bsod]> they're too into the bible for me [13:06] <SplendidSpoon> Also think I may be going to HOPE 9 [13:06] <jokeefe> libertarians & bibles, haven't seen that [13:06] <[bsod]> the right wing influence [13:06] <SplendidSpoon> Trying to find locals going to tag along with still [13:07] <jokeefe> yeah! you should hook up with the NYPP, they are going [13:07] <SplendidSpoon> but feeling more and more compelled to go [13:07] <[bsod]> ron paul would ban abortion with i feel is government interference [13:07] <jokeefe> aye [13:07] <SplendidSpoon> many internet friends want me to go, I just don't like traveling alone. [13:07] <[bsod]> s/with/which [13:07] <SplendidSpoon> But NYC isn't that far so we'll see. Also it's cheap. [13:07] <jokeefe> wanted to throw out 4. Moving this meeting to Thursdays? [13:07] <[bsod]> i saw you asking that on twitter [13:07] <jokeefe> an moving to another irc chat service [13:07] <[bsod]> i could totally go to nyc if i didnt have a kid to lug around [13:07] <SplendidSpoon> yep [13:08] <[bsod]> the pirate irc server? [13:08] <jokeefe> not freenode. something the other pirate parties use [13:08] <SplendidSpoon> I wouldn't mind. [13:08] <SplendidSpoon> Either way is fine with me [13:08] <[bsod]> it probably would be easier for me, im over there, and this is the only window im using on freenode [13:08] <[bsod]> plus we could get ops if everyone left here [13:09] <jokeefe> Chris Walsh cannot make Thurs., and I get the feeling that others cannot, but will put out a call to see which work. [13:09] <jokeefe> aye, bsod [13:09] <passstab> or you could regester [13:09] <[bsod]> im not sure if i have a paticular day thats better than others [13:09] <[bsod]> my week is hectic sometimes, soon summer vacation is coming and ill try to go away every chance i can [13:10] <jokeefe> Tue seems to come very close to the weekend, might get more people if we can announce it earlier [13:10] <[bsod]> monday at 3am [13:10] <[bsod]> lol [13:11] <[bsod]> SplendidSpoon's adhd will wake her up while im drunk ranting [13:12] <SplendidSpoon> lol [13:12] <SplendidSpoon> I gotta go [13:12] <[bsod]> cya [13:12] <SplendidSpoon> works busy today [13:12] <SplendidSpoon> cya [13:12] == SplendidSpoon [~lpespisa@38.111.20.226] has left #masspirates [] [13:12] <[bsod]> closing the connection makes it seem like a boss might see her computer lol [13:14] <[bsod]> so, kind of excited that elizabeth warren is running [13:14] <[bsod]> i was a fan of michael moore movies back when he still made any [13:17] <passstab> is EW actually a supporter of are specific issues? [13:17] <jokeefe> i'll put out a poll, and see if Thurs. works. Did I add you to the email list, bsod? [13:17] <[bsod]> not that im aware of [13:18] <[bsod]> i dont think so [13:18] <passstab> works for me [13:18] <[bsod]> you can use ukrgdjklzb@yahoo.com [13:18] <jokeefe> She led consumer financial div they put under the fed [13:18] <jokeefe> started it up [13:18] <[bsod]> but then congress kicked her out [13:18] <jokeefe> k, bsod [13:19] <jokeefe> passstab, you interested in being on the list, even though you are out of state? [13:19] <[bsod]> i have a few comments where michael moore was encouraging people to pirate his movies [13:19] <passstab> i think i am already [13:19] <jokeefe> k