January 31st, 2012 IRC Meeting

Agenda

1. Conference topics & speakers

2. Conference outreach

3. Budget review - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AkPs3eiAOk5mdFNGcE9ZOXpQNHJ4RVhrQzFtOWFzX1E&hl=en_US#gid=0

4. Anything else others want to bring up.

Attending

• bsod - http://activepolitic.com:82/
• jokeefe - James O'Keefe, Somerville

Summary

1. Conference topics & speakers

2. Conference outreach

3. Budget review

Meeting Minutes

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[11:49] == jokeefe [401c5302@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.28.83.2] has joined #masspirates [11:49] <jokeefe> hi all [11:50] <GrimJack> Good morning [11:52] == SplendidSpoon [~lpespisa@38.111.20.226] has joined #masspirates [11:56] <wingedearth> merry meet [11:57] <SplendidSpoon> Ahoy! [11:57] <GrimJack> So I guess I should intro myself... [11:58] <wingedearth> please do [11:58] <GrimJack> Hi.. I'm a mid-40s guy in MA who's been online, in one form or another, since my c=64 days in the 80s. [11:58] <jokeefe> :-) [11:58] <wingedearth> that's a long time to sit in front of a computer screen [11:59] <GrimJack> I added MassPirates to my Twitter a few weeks back and saw the messages about the meetings.. [11:59] <GrimJack> Thought I'd drop in since I'm still awake. Heh. [12:00] <jokeefe> welcome [12:00] <jokeefe> ok, its noon [12:00] <GrimJack> I work 3rd shift. [12:00] <jokeefe> thanks for the intro, GrimJack. I'll continue with the intros [12:00] <SplendidSpoon> Nice t' meet ye, matey [12:00] <jokeefe> James O'Keefe, Somerville [12:00] <jokeefe> meeting agenda at http://masspirates.org/wiki/index.php?title=January_31st,_2012_IRC_Meeting [12:02] <wingedearth> Andrew A. Anissi, the ethereal plane, presently manifested in Boston in human form. yar. [12:02] <SplendidSpoon> hahah [12:03] <SplendidSpoon> Lauren Pespisa, live in Boxboro, work in Cambridge (at work now so pardon me if I am not quick to respond) [12:03] <wingedearth> likewise [12:04] <jokeefe> bsod hangs out here so he might not be by [12:04] <jokeefe> its all public anyway [12:06] <jokeefe> so conference report [12:06] <jokeefe> page is up, people can register by making a donation, donation page is up [12:06] <jokeefe> have one person who will be talking about open data initiatives. [12:06] <SplendidSpoon> w00t [12:06] <jokeefe> for a speaker [12:07] <jokeefe> two other people were interested, but had conflicts and cannot make it. [12:07] <jokeefe> one will ask around to see if someone else wants to do a talk on increasing diversity in opensource [12:08] <jokeefe> I have my how to run for office talk [12:08] <jokeefe> so we have two [12:08] <jokeefe> would be good to get two to four more [12:08] <jokeefe> how to secure yourself on the internet would be good [12:08] == erixoltan [60e93109@gateway/web/freenode/ip.96.233.49.9] has joined #masspirates [12:09] <jokeefe> hey erixoltan! [12:09] <erixoltan> duude... [12:09] <erixoltan> hey [12:09] <jokeefe> please id, thank you [12:09] <erixoltan> Erik Zoltan, Framingham, proud owner of a new print copy of "No Safe Harbor" [12:10] <jokeefe> we also talked last week about a talk on net censorship: DMCA/ACTA/SOPA/oh my [12:10] <jokeefe> nice [12:10] <jokeefe> I could give it, but would prefer that someone else did. [12:11] <wingedearth> can you explain the subject? [12:11] <jokeefe> the various laws? [12:12] <wingedearth> "increasing diversity in opensource" [12:12] <jokeefe> ah [12:14] <jokeefe> part of it is providing tools and training so people can help on opensource projects quickly - https://openhatch.org/ [12:14] <wingedearth> is this about creating multiple competing opensource projects, or is it a racial thing? [12:14] <erixoltan> lmao [12:15] <jokeefe> making opensource efforts welcoming for people who are not white, males, geeks. not that there is anything wrong with white, male, geeks, being one of them.

[Widespread disconnection that SplendidSpoon characterized as: We were just talking about how I wish I could give a talk and help more but Im bad at that sort of thing]

[12:23] == jokeefe [401c5302@gateway/web/freenode/session] has joined #masspirates [12:24] <jokeefe> sorry, got discconected [12:24] <jokeefe> where are we? [12:24] == wingedearth1 [~wingedear@38.111.36.79] has joined #masspirates [12:24] <wingedearth1> hello? [12:24] <wingedearth1> my connection just dropped [12:24] <wingedearth1> weird [12:24] <wingedearth1> nick wingedearth [12:24] <SplendidSpoon> Wish I could be more help and give a talk but I am just not a public speaker [12:24] <wingedearth1> I'd be interested in attending the talk [12:24] <SplendidSpoon> I could do short things like introducing people etc [12:24] <SplendidSpoon> But I am still a n00b at discussing policy [12:24] <SplendidSpoon> or really anything [12:24] <SplendidSpoon> I'll help any other way I can tho [12:24] <wingedearth1> maybe we should discuss the policy here and now for some analysis and practice [12:24] <SplendidSpoon> That'd be better if we always kept this channel open [12:24] <wingedearth1> I think it is always open [12:24] <wingedearth1> bsod's always here [12:24] <SplendidSpoon> Maybe I should idle in the pirate irc server more often [12:24] <SplendidSpoon> oh [12:24] <SplendidSpoon> also typing in irc != giving a talk [12:24] <wingedearth1> != giving a talk [12:24] <wingedearth1> oh, I see [12:24] <SplendidSpoon> Sorry Im a coder [12:24] <wingedearth1> yeah, it's not the same as public speaking, but it might help clear up the issues [12:24] <SplendidSpoon> I actually know the issues pretty well [12:24] <SplendidSpoon> I just am not a person with words [12:24] <SplendidSpoon> So I can't explain them that well to people haha [12:24] <SplendidSpoon> Im much better at providing links to websites with better writing [12:24] == wingedearth [~wingedear@38.111.36.79] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] [12:24] -NickServ- This nickname is registered. Please choose a different nickname, or identify via /msg NickServ identify <password>. [12:24] <wingedearth1> sometimes that can be a time saver [12:24] == wingedearth1 has changed nick to wingedearth [12:25] <wingedearth> that's better [12:25] <wingedearth> we were discussing something having to do with opensource and tools for training [12:25] <jokeefe> guess i wasn't the only one [12:26] <wingedearth> yeah I dropped also [12:26] == erixoltan [60e93109@gateway/web/freenode/ip.96.233.49.9] has joined #masspirates [12:26] <GrimJack> Want me to paste the last 10 mins? [12:26] <erixoltan> sorry seem to have lost my connection... [12:26] <jokeefe> will if you can think of anyone we could ask to do either talk: security or net censorship history, that would be great [12:27] <jokeefe> yes, an number of us did [12:27] <erixoltan> k [12:27] <SplendidSpoon> You didn't miss much [12:27] <SplendidSpoon> We were just talking about how I wish I could give a talk and help more but Im bad at that sort of thing [12:27] <jokeefe> k [12:28] <jokeefe> erixoltan, do you want to give a talk? [12:28] <wingedearth> I'm a better writer than live talker [12:28] <wingedearth> and I'm kinda short on time [12:28] <erixoltan> Where can I go to see a list of all the topics... [12:29] <jokeefe> I think a public speaking talk would be good then [12:29] <jokeefe> "Talking with people about the Pirate Party" [12:30] <SplendidSpoon> oh! [12:30] <SplendidSpoon> Good idea [12:30] <wingedearth> a talk on talking? [12:31] <jokeefe> they have clubs for that [12:32] <jokeefe> anyone have a video camera they could bring? [12:32] <erixoltan> I will volunteer to produce video of the talk. [12:32] <jokeefe> great! [12:32] <jokeefe> will you be recording it or should we get others to do that? [12:33] * SplendidSpoon doesn't have a camera [12:33] <erixoltan> I can use my crappy camera, but if someone has something better then it would probably produce better sound quality. [12:33] <[bsod]> o, we got a framingham person today eh [12:33] <wingedearth> is this for the march conference? [12:33] <[bsod]> i usta live there [12:34] <jokeefe> hi, bsod, I have a flip, but it doesn't have audio in, only the built in mic [12:34] <erixoltan> Interesting coincidence, and my favorite screen saver is called BSOD... [12:34] <[bsod]> heh [12:34] <[bsod]> im usted to talking to alot of people online, it's so rare to me to be talking to people in my same area [12:35] <erixoltan> I'm an experienced speaker but don't know enough about security or the history of net censorship. [12:35] <[bsod]> i even got used to saying temps in celcius cause there's always so many europeans in my irc chans [12:35] <jokeefe> you have a month to prepare, just pirate Falkvinge [12:35] <erixoltan> :) [12:36] <erixoltan> OK well, I'm happy to talk about anything you want, just let me know what you need most. [12:38] <erixoltan> Lately I'm getting very interested in copyright enforcement - how it would work under the Pirate Party's proposal. [12:38] <wingedearth> enforcement? [12:38] <SplendidSpoon> Yes [12:38] <jokeefe> we pull out cutlasses? [12:38] <SplendidSpoon> Pirate Falkvinge! [12:38] <wingedearth> you mean in the system that we want to have? [12:39] <erixoltan> yes. We're not proposing to eliminate copyright entirely. [12:39] <[bsod]> i didnt read any official proposal [12:39] <SplendidSpoon> We have a proposal? [12:39] <wingedearth> if we're just talking about copyright and patent, I propose compulsory licensing for everything, with a right to statutory royalties [12:39] <[bsod]> lol [12:39] <erixoltan> The problem with the existing system is that it's unfair and unenforcable. [12:39] <erixoltan> No but we need one. [12:39] <wingedearth> and a right of attribution [12:39] <SplendidSpoon> Yea we have party lines on stuff [12:39] <SplendidSpoon> So if you give a talk....make sure you know it and stick to that [12:39] <[bsod]> royalties but not exclusive ownership [12:39] <wingedearth> innocent infringement damages will be equal to the lost royalties. willful infringement damages will include attorneys fees and costs and treble damages [12:40] <SplendidSpoon> the "Pirate wheel" or "platform" or whatever [12:40] <erixoltan> We would get more support if people understand that we have an alternative that would actually work, in contrast to the current system which is a joke. [12:40] <[bsod]> seems our system of everything lately has become a joke [12:41] <SplendidSpoon> http://falkvinge.net/2012/01/31/i-dont-care-about-the-entertainment-industrys-profits-and-it-enrages-me-that-you-think-i-should/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Falkvinge-on-Infopolicy+%28Falkvinge+on+Infopolicy%29 [12:41] <wingedearth> with copyright term limited to 14 years, with a renewals of 14 years available, and a nominal maintenance fee to be paid every 2 years [12:41] <SplendidSpoon> I love Falkvinge so much [12:41] <wingedearth> I think my proposal is perfectly feasible and sufficient for all parties. [12:42] <[bsod]> http://blokkade.ziggo.nl/favicon.ico [12:42] <jokeefe> getting back on topic [12:42] <wingedearth> also, I propose ending software patents and business method patents [12:42] <jokeefe> erixoltan, we will talk [12:42] <[bsod]> and fair use the crap out of everything [12:43] <erixoltan> ok [12:43] <jokeefe> thanks [12:43] <erixoltan> wingedearth, do you have a reference? [12:43] <jokeefe> next is conference outreach [12:43] <jokeefe> suggestions? [12:43] == politux [1893c163@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.147.193.99] has joined #masspirates [12:44] <wingedearth> erixoltan, here: http://www.honorandmagic.com/cyril-grey-blog/2012/1/18/stop-sopa-and-pipa.html [12:44] <jokeefe> welcome politux [12:44] <politux> thanks :) [12:44] <jokeefe> ids are appreciated - name, city, whatever [12:44] <erixoltan> thx [12:44] <SplendidSpoon> Outreach: Online outreach, make a facebook page for the event [12:45] <SplendidSpoon> Post in relevant subreddits [12:45] <[bsod]> heh, hey politux [12:45] <SplendidSpoon> Reach out to Occupy Boston [12:45] <[bsod]> you always miss these [12:45] <jokeefe> you want to take on the subreddits, Splendid? [12:45] <[bsod]> sometimes i get mass attacked with anti pirate votes on reddit [12:45] <[bsod]> slashdot also [12:45] <[bsod]> i think they're payed [12:45] <SplendidSpoon> Yea thats true [12:46] <SplendidSpoon> I might have to make a throwaway account to do it [12:46] <[bsod]> heh [12:46] <SplendidSpoon> But I'll do it [12:46] <[bsod]> cool [12:46] <jokeefe> slashdot is paid for posts? [12:46] <SplendidSpoon> I don't know slashdot [12:46] <jokeefe> can mention it to techdirt/torrentfreak [12:46] <wingedearth> I just told OB about this meeting [12:46] <wingedearth> better late than never [12:46] <jokeefe> what part? [12:46] <wingedearth> don't know slashdot? [12:46] <jokeefe> of OB [12:47] <wingedearth> I thought you're a coder [12:47] <[bsod]> you guys getting twittert subpoenas [12:47] <SplendidSpoon> I know it [12:47] <SplendidSpoon> But I dont use it much [12:47] <jokeefe> online events listing - phoenix, arts, etc. [12:47] <wingedearth> it's mostly nerds making smart alec remarks [12:47] <SplendidSpoon> So any subreddit suggestions? [12:47] <wingedearth> but sometimes they link to interesting stuff going on [12:47] <[bsod]> slashdot has been going down hill hasnt it [12:47] <SplendidSpoon> I have a few in mind but if you guys have more let me know [12:48] <SplendidSpoon> Yea slashdot is old [12:48] <[bsod]> ernesto@torrentfreak.com [12:48] <jokeefe> we should also mail our snailmailing list [12:48] <SplendidSpoon> Also - when do you think the ideal time for online outreach would be [12:49] <SplendidSpoon> Is it too early now probably/ [12:49] <jokeefe> register early ... [12:49] <wingedearth> where is torrentfreak based anyhow? [12:49] <[bsod]> holland [12:49] <jokeefe> we are coming up against a lot of college spring breaks [12:49] <erixoltan> I wish we could get some conservative or entertainment industry group to try and block the conference, that would sure increase attendance... [12:49] <wingedearth> and whatever happened to torrentfreak.tv ? they stopped doing that [12:49] <[bsod]> slonek was doing that [12:49] <jokeefe> lol erixoltan [12:49] <SplendidSpoon> haha [12:49] <[bsod]> he reopened suprnova.org and dropped torrentfreak.tverixoltan [12:50] <wingedearth> maybe we should organize an IP Enforcement Lobby that complains loudly about masspirates [12:50] <[bsod]> lol [12:50] <erixoltan> brilliant [12:50] <[bsod]> like a staged fight [12:50] <SplendidSpoon> astroturf [12:50] <wingedearth> at the same time, I favor truth over deception [12:50] <jokeefe> agreed [12:50] <wingedearth> lies are the establishment's tactics [12:50] <GrimJack> Not really: The Yes Men [12:51] <SplendidSpoon> When the establishment does it it's lying [12:51] <SplendidSpoon> when hacktivists do it it's "social engineering" [12:51] <wingedearth> I don't like it when anyone does it. [12:51] <SplendidSpoon> lol [12:51] <wingedearth> Open, honest, and straightforward is the best approach [12:52] <SplendidSpoon> Spoken like a true pirate [12:52] == laiv [4b9336b9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.75.147.54.185] has joined #masspirates [12:52] <[bsod]> briging in more people to talk [12:52] <jokeefe> I have been known to like a good prank [12:52] <[bsod]> people are oblivious to meeting times lol [12:52] <jokeefe> but the party should be open and transparent [12:52] <SplendidSpoon> Indeed [12:52] == illunatic [~illunatic@fl-69-68-18-52.sta.embarqhsd.net] has joined #masspirates [12:52] <illunatic> o hai [12:52] <[bsod]> hey illunatic [12:53] <jokeefe> hi folks [12:53] <[bsod]> you're not a real masshole [12:53] <wingedearth> O'Keefe, it's up to you to maintain a strong, incorruptible leadership [12:53] <politux> welcome illu [12:53] <jokeefe> I live my life in the public [12:53] <jokeefe> sphere [12:53] <SplendidSpoon> It's too bad for jokeefe that his name is James O'Keefe [12:53] <illunatic> heard you like pirates so i put some buckaneers in your black beard [12:53] <wingedearth> I'm concerned about occupy and many of these groups getting infiltrated and reprogrammed by the system [12:53] <SplendidSpoon> I keep hearing more and more about that other James O'Keefe jerk [12:54] <wingedearth> what jerk? [12:54] <[bsod]> hehe reprogrammed [12:54] <SplendidSpoon> The right-wing guy who went into Acton dressed like a pimp [12:54] <jokeefe> It is funny, but the spikes in my websites traffic when he does something keep going down. [12:54] <wingedearth> the guy who exposed ACORN? [12:54] <SplendidSpoon> Yea you are like the opposite of him [12:54] <SplendidSpoon> I mean ACORN [12:54] <SplendidSpoon> not acton [12:54] <SplendidSpoon> "exposed" [12:54] <[bsod]> heh, google is figuring it out [12:54] <illunatic> hi [12:54] <jokeefe> was 6000 for the acorn sting, but it was a few hundred for the NH voter sting [12:55] <SplendidSpoon> He's going to try to sue someone now [12:55] <SplendidSpoon> I read something on gawker about it (yea I read gawker sometimes don't judge me) [12:55] <[bsod]> ha [12:55] <wingedearth> not a fan of gawker [12:55] <[bsod]> dont you judge me! [12:55] <[bsod]> sometimes the writing is funny [12:55] <SplendidSpoon> Not a fan either [12:56] <SplendidSpoon> I hate Adrian chen [12:56] <SplendidSpoon> Chen* [12:56] <[bsod]> ive got like 100's of rss feeds, ill click whatever sounds piraty [12:56] <SplendidSpoon> Yea [12:56] <jokeefe> any other suggestions for outreach ideas? [12:56] <SplendidSpoon> http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2012/01/30/414917/is-james-okeefe-misrepresenting-his-own-lawsuit-against-a-newspaper/ [12:56] <[bsod]> acta is a huge button issue right now [12:56] <jokeefe> oy [12:56] <[bsod]> my website got killed from too much traffic 3 times from acta tweets [12:56] <SplendidSpoon> Outreach idea...colleges? [12:56] <jokeefe> re: JO III [12:56] <[bsod]> as did eff.org and falkvinge [12:56] <jokeefe> posters? [12:56] <illunatic> haha [12:57] <SplendidSpoon> Yea posters would be good [12:57] <politux> We should hang fliers on college camuses [12:57] <politux> campuses [12:57] <[bsod]> nah, make it so the college kids see it.. staple it to bags of weed [12:57] <SplendidSpoon> lol [12:57] <politux> and 30 packs of bud ice [12:57] <SplendidSpoon> Speaking of weed.... [12:58] <[bsod]> they still make bud ice? [12:58] <[bsod]> it used to be everywhere [12:58] <SplendidSpoon> Pirates officially support medical marijuana and stuff right? [12:58] <jokeefe> yes [12:58] <[bsod]> heh, SplendidSpoon says speaking of weed.... soon after saying, "im at work" now im wondering if they're hiring [12:58] <wingedearth> have to be careful not to let this movement or the occupy movement be a "left wing" thing. should embrace everyone with positive motive and not get caught up in partisanship. [12:59] <jokeefe> full legalization for marijuana. [12:59] <SplendidSpoon> Internationally or just Mass pirates? [12:59] <[bsod]> massachusetts is a left wing state tho [12:59] <erixoltan> That would be a good talk topic imo [12:59] <wingedearth> mass is split like others. that's why they elected scott brown [12:59] <illunatic> want me to ask andersdotter? [12:59] <erixoltan> Reach out to the pot activists too... [12:59] <illunatic> she's probably know [12:59] <[bsod]> when it comes to shiot such as abortion theres a high majority [12:59] <SplendidSpoon> Yea [12:59] <illunatic> k [12:59] <politux> privacy and right to use technology are the most important [12:59] <[bsod]> and increasing pointless taxes for no reason, we always support that [12:59] <SplendidSpoon> I am going to a medical marijuana meeting tomorrow at the boston Public Library [13:00] <SplendidSpoon> I will be representing Pirate Party [13:00] <jokeefe> right, good luck! [13:00] <SplendidSpoon> I don't know exactly what they are doing there though [13:00] <[bsod]> libertarianism is becoming more popular tho [13:00] <wingedearth> anyway, the wings are illusions. the 99% has a common enemy in the international banks and the gatekeepers of information and culture [13:00] <jokeefe> liberty is always popular [13:00] <[bsod]> yup [13:00] <jokeefe> nice summary wingedearth [13:00] <SplendidSpoon> Pot is a popular issue and attracts young people [13:00] <[bsod]> i dont see how being anti-death penalty is automatically the opposite of supporting gun ownership [13:01] <SplendidSpoon> but we also don't want to let our party get consumed by it [13:01] <SplendidSpoon> bsod....it is? [13:01] <[bsod]> lol [13:01] <[bsod]> right wing/left wing [13:01] <wingedearth> pot should attract everyone. old people are still prejudiced against legalizing it because of their indoctrination, but younger generations will overcome the restrictions [13:01] <jokeefe> so budget next - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AkPs3eiAOk5mdFNGcE9ZOXpQNHJ4RVhrQzFtOWFzX1E&hl=en_US#gid=0 [13:01] <SplendidSpoon> Yea [13:01] <[bsod]> i think the pirate party should be the voice of the youth who are drastically unrepresented [13:01] <illunatic> well i asked so we'll see if she gets back soon, but i kind of suspect marijuana laws are beyond the scope of the pirate platform (at least officially) [13:01] <illunatic> brb [13:01] <wingedearth> I don't necessarily think marijuana is good for your body, except maybe for certain medicinal uses, but the war on drugs is at least as bad as prohibition [13:02] <erixoltan> depends on the amount and frequency