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jokeefe Agenda: https://masspirates.org/wiki/March_10th,_2021_IRC_Meeting
'''jokeefe''' Agenda: https://masspirates.org/wiki/March_10th,_2021_IRC_Meeting
malt2 sam capradae, worcester
'''malt2''' sam capradae, worcester
jokeefe James O'Keefe, Somerville
'''jokeefe''' James O'Keefe, Somerville
anything to change?
anything to change?
malt2 nyet
'''malt2''' nyet
jokeefe Platform
'''jokeefe''' Platform
Both new items are up:
Both new items are up:
https://masspirates.org/blog/ourissues/healthcare-is-a-human-right/
https://masspirates.org/blog/ourissues/healthcare-is-a-human-right/
malt2 Oh cool!
'''malt2''' Oh cool!
jokeefe https://masspirates.org/blog/ourissues/education-for-all/
'''jokeefe''' https://masspirates.org/blog/ourissues/education-for-all/
malt2 did you have a preference for which platform to pick next?
'''malt2''' did you have a preference for which platform to pick next?
jokeefe also on the wiki with links to when we adopted them
'''jokeefe''' also on the wiki with links to when we adopted them
malt2 Tech seems like an obvious one
'''malt2''' Tech seems like an obvious one
jokeefe What specifically in tech?
'''jokeefe''' What specifically in tech?
malt2 we can start with surveillance
'''malt2''' we can start with surveillance
worcester just passed funding for shotspotter connect
worcester just passed funding for shotspotter connect
jokeefe saw. money down the drain.
'''jokeefe''' saw. money down the drain.
want to write a statement on it?
want to write a statement on it?
malt2
malt2
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i think i do!
i think i do!
i'm real sore
i'm real sore
jokeefe Dutch Pirates have a comic as part of their platform: https://twitter.com/Piratenpartij/status/1362758709726883842/photo/1
'''jokeefe''' Dutch Pirates have a comic as part of their platform: https://twitter.com/Piratenpartij/status/1362758709726883842/photo/1
malt2 honestly that's brilliant
'''malt2''' honestly that's brilliant
i definitely know artists if you wanted to commission something similar
i definitely know artists if you wanted to commission something similar
jokeefe some socialist party designed their platform like an ikea catalog. I think it was Unidas Podemos
'''jokeefe''' some socialist party designed their platform like an ikea catalog. I think it was Unidas Podemos
but I cannot find it
but I cannot find it
malt2 that's clever
'''malt2''' that's clever
jokeefe Write what you feel is appropriate on the shot spotter and we can post it.
'''jokeefe''' Write what you feel is appropriate on the shot spotter and we can post it.
malt2 we could do like an old seafaring scroll
'''malt2''' we could do like an old seafaring scroll
ok, on it
ok, on it
jokeefe https://qz.com/702800/spains-podemos-leftist-party-printed-its-program-as-an-ikea-catalog-so-voters-will-actually-read-it/
'''jokeefe''' https://qz.com/702800/spains-podemos-leftist-party-printed-its-program-as-an-ikea-catalog-so-voters-will-actually-read-it/
https://e00-elmundo.uecdn.es/documentos/2016/06/08/programa_electoral_podemos.pdf
https://e00-elmundo.uecdn.es/documentos/2016/06/08/programa_electoral_podemos.pdf
malt2 hahahaaaa that's real clever
'''malt2''' hahahaaaa that's real clever
tiktok videos maybe
tiktok videos maybe
or we could do memes
or we could do memes
jokeefe yeah, that too
'''jokeefe''' yeah, that too
malt2 like shitposty political memes
'''malt2''' like shitposty political memes
jokeefe https://masspirates.org/blog/2020/03/08/today-record-a-10th-anniv-video-for-the-dutch-pirates/
'''jokeefe''' https://masspirates.org/blog/2020/03/08/today-record-a-10th-anniv-video-for-the-dutch-pirates/
malt2 i've followed some on twitter and i still refuse to believe dutch is a real language
'''malt2''' i've followed some on twitter and i still refuse to believe dutch is a real language
jokeefe No google translate for Icelandic last I checked
'''jokeefe''' No google translate for Icelandic last I checked
This got me thinking: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/10/style/creators-selling-selves.html
This got me thinking: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/10/style/creators-selling-selves.html
malt2 there is, i used it on some ancient exorcism poems
'''malt2''' there is, i used it on some ancient exorcism poems
oh that newnew thing? uuuuggghhhh
oh that newnew thing? uuuuggghhhh
jokeefe so there is
'''jokeefe''' so there is
(Icelandic translation)
(Icelandic translation)
malt2 god imagine being 15 with 3.3 million followers
'''malt2''' god imagine being 15 with 3.3 million followers
jokeefe “... a start-up ... describes its product as creating a “human stock market.” On the app, fans pay to vote in polls to control some of a creator’s day-to-day decisions.”
'''jokeefe''' “... a start-up ... describes its product as creating a “human stock market.” On the app, fans pay to vote in polls to control some of a creator’s day-to-day decisions.”
malt2 how does that EVEN happen. what is a 15 year old doing????
'''malt2''' how does that EVEN happen. what is a 15 year old doing????
jokeefe "Destroy the attention economy so everyone's creativity can flourish!"
'''jokeefe''' "Destroy the attention economy so everyone's creativity can flourish!"
malt2 nfts are scaaaaams
'''malt2''' nfts are scaaaaams
jokeefe I liked this tweet: "Wow, I feel like an old fogey after reading this article. I can’t fathom having my daily actions dictated by votes from strangers. Why can’t we get any of the cool futuristic toys like jet packs and food replicators instead of this creepy Dark Mirroresque social monetization?"
'''jokeefe''' I liked this tweet: "Wow, I feel like an old fogey after reading this article. I can’t fathom having my daily actions dictated by votes from strangers. Why can’t we get any of the cool futuristic toys like jet packs and food replicators instead of this creepy Dark Mirroresque social monetization?"
malt2 it's all just so grimy
'''malt2''' it's all just so grimy
and like, penny-chasing
and like, penny-chasing
jokeefe "Fuck the attention economy! Where's our jet packs!"
'''jokeefe''' "Fuck the attention economy! Where's our jet packs!"
While mediocre "artists" rip off others and get hundreds of thousands of dollars because they are popular.
While mediocre "artists" rip off others and get hundreds of thousands of dollars because they are popular.
malt2 oh it's a total shitshow economy
'''malt2''' oh it's a total shitshow economy
the first mover advantage is the only thing that mattered in NFT circles
the first mover advantage is the only thing that mattered in NFT circles
jokeefe yeah
'''jokeefe''' yeah
malt2 and they are ALREADY abusing the systems to cut out the artist revenue promise
'''malt2''' and they are ALREADY abusing the systems to cut out the artist revenue promise
100% people trying to make another tulip mania they can be on the first wave of
100% people trying to make another tulip mania they can be on the first wave of
jokeefe how are they cutting out the artists. outsource the art work and keep the cash?
'''jokeefe''' how are they cutting out the artists. outsource the art work and keep the cash?
malt2 well, plenty of the NFTs are straight up stolen
'''malt2''' well, plenty of the NFTs are straight up stolen
even legit NFTs, the payment can be made off-platform then transferred for 0 eth
even legit NFTs, the payment can be made off-platform then transferred for 0 eth
so no percentage goes to the artist
so no percentage goes to the artist
there's multiple services that now auto-mint NFTs if you tag a twitter bot in the replies of a tweet
there's multiple services that now auto-mint NFTs if you tag a twitter bot in the replies of a tweet
jokeefe got any links?
'''jokeefe''' got any links?
I need to read up
I need to read up
malt2 i had honestly thought about trying to get in on this but seeing how gross it is has convinced me that holding off was the right decision
'''malt2''' i had honestly thought about trying to get in on this but seeing how gross it is has convinced me that holding off was the right decision
it's all on twitter, i'll retweet the stuff from the pirate party account
it's all on twitter, i'll retweet the stuff from the pirate party account
jokeefe thanks
'''jokeefe''' thanks
malt2 so that was fun to deal with
'''malt2''' so that was fun to deal with
jokeefe So you were thinking of updating:
'''jokeefe''' So you were thinking of updating:
Defending Your Privacy
Defending Your Privacy


Whether it was the PATRIOT ACT, illegal NSA wiretapping or local surveillance cameras, our government has used 9/11 to increase its surveillance and control over us.  Corporations have increased their spying on employees in order to get more work out of them.  The arguments for each step on the road to a surveillance 
state may sound convincing, but that road leads to less control by people and more by government and corporate elites. Terrorists may attack the open society, but only governments can abolish it. The Pirate Party will prevent that from happening.
Whether it was the PATRIOT ACT, illegal NSA wiretapping or local surveillance cameras, our government has used 9/11 to increase its surveillance and control over us.  Corporations have increased their spying on employees in order to get more work out of them.  The arguments for each step on the road to a surveillance 
state may sound convincing, but that road leads to less control by people and more by government and corporate elites. Terrorists may attack the open society, but only governments can abolish it. The Pirate Party will prevent that from happening.
malt2 wow, that actually sounds decent as is
'''malt2''' wow, that actually sounds decent as is
I'd even add in a line after "corporations" about the invasive tools schools use.
I'd even add in a line after "corporations" about the invasive tools schools use.
jokeefe There is more we can add to it.  Calling out if corps. collect it, then govt. will get it.
'''jokeefe''' There is more we can add to it.  Calling out if corps. collect it, then govt. will get it.
definitely
definitely
malt2 "schools surveil students in their homes through hardware enabled cameras they can't ever turn off"
'''malt2''' "schools surveil students in their homes through hardware enabled cameras they can't ever turn off"
it ties into the big data industry also
it ties into the big data industry also
the tools don't work because the point isn't the tools, it's the data they generate
the tools don't work because the point isn't the tools, it's the data they generate
jokeefe https://etherpad.pp-international.net/p/DefendingYourPrivacy
'''jokeefe''' https://etherpad.pp-international.net/p/DefendingYourPrivacy
malt2 did you hear about that trans hacker collective taking down the surveillance company?
'''malt2''' did you hear about that trans hacker collective taking down the surveillance company?
jokeefe Looking back, I like the platform as old seafaring scroll
'''jokeefe''' Looking back, I like the platform as old seafaring scroll
did not
did not
link?
link?
malt2 https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2021/03/hackers-access-security-cameras-inside-cloudflare-jails-and-hospitals/
'''malt2''' https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2021/03/hackers-access-security-cameras-inside-cloudflare-jails-and-hospitals/
jokeefe Yes, I heard about the video camera hack, but didn't get the details. Thanks
'''jokeefe''' Yes, I heard about the video camera hack, but didn't get the details. Thanks
malt2 the person has been posting selfies to twitter
'''malt2''' the person has been posting selfies to twitter
but also like, photos from inside jails? i'm reeeeaaallly curious to see how the state reacts.
but also like, photos from inside jails? i'm reeeeaaallly curious to see how the state reacts.
jokeefe oh yeah.
'''jokeefe''' oh yeah.
all the cameras are on the internet, so it follows they will be hacked.
all the cameras are on the internet, so it follows they will be hacked.
malt2 you'd think! they would know that! by now!
'''malt2''' you'd think! they would know that! by now!
but they sell convenience, not tech
but they sell convenience, not tech
the tech to do secure cameras is out there
the tech to do secure cameras is out there
jokeefe lowest bidder
'''jokeefe''' lowest bidder
malt2 but it's not stylish or buzzworthy
'''malt2''' but it's not stylish or buzzworthy
that's all they ever sell
that's all they ever sell
jokeefe aye
'''jokeefe''' aye
Let's work on https://etherpad.pp-international.net/p/DefendingYourPrivacy and aim to finish it up next meeting.
Let's work on https://etherpad.pp-international.net/p/DefendingYourPrivacy and aim to finish it up next meeting.
malt2 OK!
'''malt2''' OK!
jokeefe We are set for the organizing meeting on Saturday
'''jokeefe''' We are set for the organizing meeting on Saturday
malt2 I will do my best to get folks to that
'''malt2''' I will do my best to get folks to that
jokeefe Email went out. Blog post is up.
'''jokeefe''' Email went out. Blog post is up.
trying to spread the word.
trying to spread the word.
thanks, malt2
thanks, malt2
Sunday still good for recording?
Sunday still good for recording?
malt2 sure hope so! real tired of surprises
'''malt2''' sure hope so! real tired of surprises
OH FRICK RIGHT
OH FRICK RIGHT
I'm in facebook jail for like 2 days still
I'm in facebook jail for like 2 days still
jokeefe sorry to hear that.
'''jokeefe''' sorry to hear that.
malt2 yeah i'm dumb as hell
'''malt2''' yeah i'm dumb as hell
i got heated dissing on pastafarians
i got heated dissing on pastafarians
anyho, that's all i got
anyho, that's all i got
jokeefe me too. See you Sat/Sun. Will post notes.
'''jokeefe''' me too. See you Sat/Sun. Will post notes.
Thanks and have a great night
Thanks and have a great night
malt2 you too!
'''malt2''' you too!





Revision as of 23:04, 10 March 2021

Review

Decisions/Endorsements

Revise Platform

Leader: jokeefe

What to write next?

Projects

Outreach

Leader: Malt

  • Community Organizing Discussion, Sat., 3/13/2021, 1-3pm
  • Setup local video meetups by region with people who said they were interested in organizing a local chapter
  • Organize candidate trainings

Video Newsletter/Podcast

Leader: Joseph

  • Pirate news recording scheduled for Sundays, 7pm with go-live at 7:30pm. Unless changed

Boston Pride Festival

Leader: jokeefe

While in-person events, including outdoor events, are on hold until COVID-19 numbers go down, we should plan for our table at the Boston Pride Festival.

Tasks:

  • setup signup sheet
  • Announce
  • Need to purchase insurance
  • Need volunteer sign up form
  • Tie to an activity, mapping the CCTV cameras in Boston or along the Pride parade route?

Other To Do

  • Application to PPI

Upcoming On-line Events

Participants

Observers

  • ChanServ
  • davidd
  • hvxgr
  • Deffy
  • mikey
  • Mikaela
  • slerman

Summary

Minutes

 


'''jokeefe''' Agenda: https://masspirates.org/wiki/March_10th,_2021_IRC_Meeting
'''malt2''' sam capradae, worcester
'''jokeefe''' James O'Keefe, Somerville
anything to change?
'''malt2''' nyet
'''jokeefe''' Platform
Both new items are up:
https://masspirates.org/blog/ourissues/healthcare-is-a-human-right/
'''malt2''' Oh cool!
'''jokeefe''' https://masspirates.org/blog/ourissues/education-for-all/
'''malt2''' did you have a preference for which platform to pick next?
'''jokeefe''' also on the wiki with links to when we adopted them
'''malt2''' Tech seems like an obvious one
'''jokeefe''' What specifically in tech?
'''malt2''' we can start with surveillance
worcester just passed funding for shotspotter connect
'''jokeefe''' saw. money down the drain.
want to write a statement on it?
malt2
-_-
i think i do!
i'm real sore
'''jokeefe''' Dutch Pirates have a comic as part of their platform: https://twitter.com/Piratenpartij/status/1362758709726883842/photo/1
'''malt2''' honestly that's brilliant
i definitely know artists if you wanted to commission something similar
'''jokeefe''' some socialist party designed their platform like an ikea catalog. I think it was Unidas Podemos
but I cannot find it
'''malt2''' that's clever
'''jokeefe''' Write what you feel is appropriate on the shot spotter and we can post it.
'''malt2''' we could do like an old seafaring scroll
ok, on it
'''jokeefe''' https://qz.com/702800/spains-podemos-leftist-party-printed-its-program-as-an-ikea-catalog-so-voters-will-actually-read-it/
https://e00-elmundo.uecdn.es/documentos/2016/06/08/programa_electoral_podemos.pdf
'''malt2''' hahahaaaa that's real clever
tiktok videos maybe
or we could do memes
'''jokeefe''' yeah, that too
'''malt2''' like shitposty political memes
'''jokeefe''' https://masspirates.org/blog/2020/03/08/today-record-a-10th-anniv-video-for-the-dutch-pirates/
'''malt2''' i've followed some on twitter and i still refuse to believe dutch is a real language
'''jokeefe''' No google translate for Icelandic last I checked
This got me thinking: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/10/style/creators-selling-selves.html
'''malt2''' there is, i used it on some ancient exorcism poems
oh that newnew thing? uuuuggghhhh
'''jokeefe''' so there is
(Icelandic translation)
'''malt2''' god imagine being 15 with 3.3 million followers
'''jokeefe''' “... a start-up ... describes its product as creating a “human stock market.” On the app, fans pay to vote in polls to control some of a creator’s day-to-day decisions.”
'''malt2''' how does that EVEN happen. what is a 15 year old doing????
'''jokeefe''' "Destroy the attention economy so everyone's creativity can flourish!"
'''malt2''' nfts are scaaaaams
'''jokeefe''' I liked this tweet: "Wow, I feel like an old fogey after reading this article. I can’t fathom having my daily actions dictated by votes from strangers. Why can’t we get any of the cool futuristic toys like jet packs and food replicators instead of this creepy Dark Mirroresque social monetization?"
'''malt2''' it's all just so grimy
and like, penny-chasing
'''jokeefe''' "Fuck the attention economy! Where's our jet packs!"
While mediocre "artists" rip off others and get hundreds of thousands of dollars because they are popular.
'''malt2''' oh it's a total shitshow economy
the first mover advantage is the only thing that mattered in NFT circles
'''jokeefe''' yeah
'''malt2''' and they are ALREADY abusing the systems to cut out the artist revenue promise
100% people trying to make another tulip mania they can be on the first wave of
'''jokeefe''' how are they cutting out the artists. outsource the art work and keep the cash?
'''malt2''' well, plenty of the NFTs are straight up stolen
even legit NFTs, the payment can be made off-platform then transferred for 0 eth
so no percentage goes to the artist
there's multiple services that now auto-mint NFTs if you tag a twitter bot in the replies of a tweet
'''jokeefe''' got any links?
I need to read up
'''malt2''' i had honestly thought about trying to get in on this but seeing how gross it is has convinced me that holding off was the right decision
it's all on twitter, i'll retweet the stuff from the pirate party account
'''jokeefe''' thanks
'''malt2''' so that was fun to deal with
'''jokeefe''' So you were thinking of updating:
Defending Your Privacy

Whether it was the PATRIOT ACT, illegal NSA wiretapping or local surveillance cameras, our government has used 9/11 to increase its surveillance and control over us.  Corporations have increased their spying on employees in order to get more work out of them.  The arguments for each step on the road to a surveillance 
state may sound convincing, but that road leads to less control by people and more by government and corporate elites. Terrorists may attack the open society, but only governments can abolish it. The Pirate Party will prevent that from happening.
'''malt2''' wow, that actually sounds decent as is
I'd even add in a line after "corporations" about the invasive tools schools use.
'''jokeefe''' There is more we can add to it.  Calling out if corps. collect it, then govt. will get it.
definitely
'''malt2''' "schools surveil students in their homes through hardware enabled cameras they can't ever turn off"
it ties into the big data industry also
the tools don't work because the point isn't the tools, it's the data they generate
'''jokeefe''' https://etherpad.pp-international.net/p/DefendingYourPrivacy
'''malt2''' did you hear about that trans hacker collective taking down the surveillance company?
'''jokeefe''' Looking back, I like the platform as old seafaring scroll
did not
link?
'''malt2''' https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2021/03/hackers-access-security-cameras-inside-cloudflare-jails-and-hospitals/
'''jokeefe''' Yes, I heard about the video camera hack, but didn't get the details. Thanks
'''malt2''' the person has been posting selfies to twitter
but also like, photos from inside jails? i'm reeeeaaallly curious to see how the state reacts.
'''jokeefe''' oh yeah.
all the cameras are on the internet, so it follows they will be hacked.
'''malt2''' you'd think! they would know that! by now!
but they sell convenience, not tech
the tech to do secure cameras is out there
'''jokeefe''' lowest bidder
'''malt2''' but it's not stylish or buzzworthy
that's all they ever sell
'''jokeefe''' aye
Let's work on https://etherpad.pp-international.net/p/DefendingYourPrivacy and aim to finish it up next meeting.
'''malt2''' OK!
'''jokeefe''' We are set for the organizing meeting on Saturday
'''malt2''' I will do my best to get folks to that
'''jokeefe''' Email went out. Blog post is up.
trying to spread the word.
thanks, malt2
Sunday still good for recording?
'''malt2''' sure hope so! real tired of surprises
OH FRICK RIGHT
I'm in facebook jail for like 2 days still
'''jokeefe''' sorry to hear that.
'''malt2''' yeah i'm dumb as hell
i got heated dissing on pastafarians
anyho, that's all i got
'''jokeefe''' me too. See you Sat/Sun. Will post notes.
Thanks and have a great night
'''malt2''' you too!