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[12:34] <jokeefe> thank you.  others?
[12:34] <jokeefe> thank you.  others?
[12:36] <srevilak> I can bring a WAP if we need a second one
[12:36] <srevilak> I can bring a WAP if we need a second one
[12:38] <jokeefe> thanks.  will ask for more folks to help as well.
[12:38] <jokeefe> Moving on
[12:39] <jokeefe> Legislation Review of An Act updating privacy protections for personal electronic information - http://www.malegislature.gov/Bills/188/Senate/S796
[12:39] <aurelien> there is also http://www.un.org/en/documents/udhr/index.shtml
[12:40] <aurelien> and the CNR write by the french resistance during the second war
[12:40] <aurelien> saying simply that all personnal communication are private.
[12:41] <aurelien> it's in french ... http://fscorsica.org/DemocracyNow/CNR.pdf
[12:41] <jokeefe> nice and simple
[12:42] <aurelien> Jean Moulin have been tortured and killed by the nazi after that.
[12:42] <srevilak> I've started reading S796.  It's a bit tricky, lots of "in section X, strike Y, and insert the following".  Not quite so nice and simple
[12:42] <jokeefe> yes
[12:42] <js0000> yeah- i took a look too and found it confusing
[12:42] <srevilak> diff is SO much more efficient
[12:43] <jokeefe> not so much for adds, though
[12:43] <jokeefe> I like incontext diffs for these types of things.
[12:43] <jokeefe> since we don't know the existing language well.
[12:44] <jokeefe> we don't have to decide now. 
[12:44] <srevilak> I may go through the exercise of taking exiting law, applying the changes, and seeing what it says
[12:45] <srevilak> If I have bandwidth over the next few days
[12:45] <jokeefe> sensible. 
[12:45] <jokeefe> strikes me that the policy committee should review these. anyone want to join it?
[12:45] <jokeefe> take existing laws, mark it up, write meta commentary.
[12:47] <jokeefe> or check in law, make edits, show diff, write meta commentary
[12:48] <jokeefe> keep meaning to get a https://github.com/ account
[12:49] <jokeefe> srevilak, any idea if we could have a git server at mayfirst?
[12:50] <jokeefe> of course github is free as long as it is public
[12:50] <srevilak> jokeefe: I don't see why not
[12:51] <srevilak> even if it's only git over ssh, that's just a matter of making a repository and setting up ssh keys
[12:51] <js0000> git is distributed anyway
[12:51] <srevilak> but gitosis could be fun to play with :)
[12:51] <jokeefe> there is this: https://github.com/morrissinger/ma-laws
[12:51] <js0000> gitosis?
[12:51] <jokeefe> gitosis? i like it just from the name
[12:51]  * js0000 thinks it sounds like a social disease
[12:52] <srevilak> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Gitosis
[12:52] <jokeefe> this looks interesting as well https://github.com/sethwoodworth/mass-legis-boston-public
[12:54] <jokeefe> I think we have a talk.  Using git to keep track of changes in legislation.
[12:54] <srevilak> http://www.generalwill.org/, but that's more focused on annotation
[12:55] <srevilak> https://blog.abevoelker.com/gitlaw-github-for-laws-and-legal-documents-a-tourniquet-for-american-liberty/
[12:55]  * js0000 has to run to a meeting
[12:55] <jokeefe> take care js0000
[12:56] == js0000 [~jsaylor@makqkv-95.feldberg.brandeis.edu] has left #masspirates [c u l8r!]
[12:56] <jokeefe> I remember generalwill.org, does it do diffs?
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[12:56] <srevilak> I'm not sure.  Been a while since I've played with it
[12:56] <srevilak> But the annotation, suggested changes facilities were kind of neat
[12:57] <jokeefe> true
[12:57] == OurAnonTimes [webchat@fv10-718-715-67.ks.ks.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Web client closed]

Revision as of 12:58, 21 March 2013

Agenda

  1. Upcoming Meetups
    1. LibrePlanet
    2. PAXEast
  2. Committee Reports
  3. Conference
    1. Space
    2. Topics & Speakers
  4. Legislation
    1. Review of An Act updating privacy protections for personal electronic information

Quick Notes / Summaries Re Proposed Bills to be Discussed:

Participants

  • srevilak - Steve Revilak, Arlington
  • SplendidSpoon - Lauren Pespisa, Boxboro/Cambridge
  • jokeefe - James O'Keefe, Somerville
  • steverudy - Steve Rudolfi, Watertown, MA
  • js0000 - john saylor
  • Shidash - M. C. McGrath, Boston, MA

Observers:

  • passstab - PA
  • ageis
  • aurelien
  • Dionysus
  • OurAnonTimes
  • zby_home
  • bsod
  • dan_
  • cmal
  • illunatic
  • Mozart
  • AdVATAR

Summary

Upcoming Meetups

  1. LibrePlanet
  2. PAXEast

Committee Reports

Conference

  1. Space
  2. Topics & Speakers

Legislation

Review of An Act updating privacy protections for personal electronic information

Meeting Minutes

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[12:01] <jokeefe> ok, lets get started [12:02] <jokeefe> with ids - James O'Keefe, Somerville (give as much info as you want) [12:02] <srevilak> Steve Revilak, Arlington, MA [12:03] <js0000> john saylor [12:03] <+steverudy> Steve Rudolfi, Watertown, MA [12:03] <Shidash> M. C. McGrath, Boston, MA [12:05] <jokeefe> So agenda at http://www.masspirates.org/wiki/index.php?title=March_21st,_2013_IRC_Meeting [12:05] <jokeefe> 1. Upcoming Meetups [12:06] <jokeefe> srevilak will be meetup contact for LibrePlanet, and I will do PAXEast. Will get a notice out about it soon. [12:06] <jokeefe> Contact him or me if you intend to go. [12:06] <jokeefe> 2. Committee Reports [12:07] == zby_home [~quassel@12-53-526-980.dynamic.chello.pl] has joined #masspirates [12:07] == mode/#masspirates [+v zby_home] by [4Q] [12:07] <jokeefe> hi zby_home [12:07] == mode/#masspirates [+l 24] by [4Q] [12:07] <jokeefe> srevilak, want to talk about wiki update? [12:07] <srevilak> sure [12:07] <jokeefe> this is Democracy/IT committee stuff [12:07] <srevilak> As of last night, our wiki should be spam-free, or pretty darn close to spam free [12:08] <jokeefe> looked it to me. yay! [12:08] <srevilak> mayfirst (hosting provider we're moving too) has a nice canned mediawiki setup, but it's a slightly older version [12:08] <srevilak> plan is to export remaining pages (about 135 of them), and import into a new mediawiki instance [12:09] == Dionysus [webchat@f-95-739-611-215.hsd5.vt.comcast.net] has joined #masspirates [12:09] == mode/#masspirates [+v Dionysus] by [4Q] [12:09] <srevilak> Hopefully we can use mysqldump to migrate users accounts, but that needs to be tested [12:09] == mode/#masspirates [+l 25] by [4Q] [12:09] <js0000> does the wiki get attacked, or is it just rabid spammers ... ? [12:09] <srevilak> js0000: attacked by rabid spammers [12:09] <srevilak> I guess we do wiki migration when jokeefe and I get together next [12:09] * js0000 nods and thinks "greedy b*stards" [12:10] <srevilak> set up new masspirates web site last sat, and working on mailing list migration [12:10] <srevilak> that's what I got [12:10] <jokeefe> good [12:10] <jokeefe> new blog at masspiratesweb.mayfirst.org, if you want to see it, much better [12:11] <jokeefe> 3dclay sent new image design, sent him comments, waiting on final version. [12:12] <srevilak> new blog looks really nice [12:12] == SplendidSpoon [~SplendidS@38.111.ly.vgu] has joined #masspirates [12:12] == mode/#masspirates [+o SplendidSpoon] by [4Q] [12:12] == mode/#masspirates [+v SplendidSpoon] by [4Q] [12:12] <jokeefe> need more stock images, since this new theme is more image intensive. [12:12] == mode/#masspirates [+l 26] by [4Q] [12:12] <jokeefe> his SplendidSpoon [12:12] <jokeefe> s/his/hi/g [12:12] <@SplendidSpoon> Hey [12:12] <jokeefe> Agenda at http://www.masspirates.org/wiki/index.php?title=March_21st,_2013_IRC_Meeting, we are on 2. [12:12] <@SplendidSpoon> Lauren Pespisa, Cambridge/Boxboro [12:13] <jokeefe> The only other committee I report I know about is Welcoming [12:14] <jokeefe> black_van posted a request for interns and has found a site for an evening meetup. [12:18] <jokeefe> BTW: we are testing out https://www.loomio.org/ as a possible replacement to Liquid Feedback. email info@ if you want an account to help test it. [12:19] <jokeefe> BTW: SplendidSpoon, zby_home - either of you going to LibrePlanet or PAXEast? We have meet ups scheduled for them. [12:19] <jokeefe> Next 3. Conference [12:20] <+Dionysus> jokeefe: I'll be at pax [12:20] <@SplendidSpoon> Not Pax [12:20] <@SplendidSpoon> Maybe Libreplanet [12:21] <@SplendidSpoon> oh crap nvm [12:21] <jokeefe> ok, srevilak is organizing the meetup for LibrePlanet. I am doing it for PAX. will post details on the blog. [12:21] <jokeefe> srevilak, any further word on sites? [12:22] <jokeefe> Current state I know about is https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AkPs3eiAOk5mdDlqRm90UWhRUUpPY1E4cC1icUU0a3c#gid=0 [12:22] <srevilak> no further word, but I'll ping BHCC after this meeting [12:22] <jokeefe> thanks [12:23] <jokeefe> so what should we do about the fliers? just say, late June in Metro Boston? [12:23] == Shidash1 [~shidash@155.41.nll.oqs] has joined #masspirates [12:23] == mode/#masspirates [+v Shidash1] by [4Q] [12:23] == Shidash [~shidash@155.41.nll.oqs] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] [12:23] == mode/#masspirates [+l 27] by [4Q] [12:23] <jokeefe> thanks for checking srevilak [12:23] == OurAnonTimes [webchat@fv10-718-715-67.ks.ks.cox.net] has joined #masspirates [12:23] == mode/#masspirates [+v OurAnonTimes] by [4Q] [12:24] == mode/#masspirates [+l 27] by [4Q] [12:24] <jokeefe> hi OurAnonTimes [12:24] <+OurAnonTimes> Hello! [12:24] <+OurAnonTimes> I see AdVATAR is here as well [12:25] == Shidash1 [~shidash@155.41.nll.oqs] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] [12:26] <jokeefe> Guess the fliers for PAX/LibrePlanet should say it is in June in Metro Boston, then? [12:26] <srevilak> "June in Boston" sounds okay to me [12:28] <jokeefe> ok, So 3.2 Topics & Speakers [12:28] <jokeefe> Suggestions? Some ideas from the last General Meeting at http://www.masspirates.org/wiki/index.php?title=March_10th,_2013_General_Meeting [12:31] <js0000> i've been installing opensource firmware on my internet router [12:32] <js0000> i could do something on that, but is it really related to the pirate party at all ... ? [12:32] <js0000> i don't think so [12:32] <@SplendidSpoon> I gotta run interviewing candidate [12:32] == Shidash [~shidash@963-14-29-483-xwaiapv4k.bu.edu] has joined #masspirates [12:32] == mode/#masspirates [+o Shidash] by [4Q] [12:32] == mode/#masspirates [+v Shidash] by [4Q] [12:32] <jokeefe> k, SplendidSpoon [12:32] == SplendidSpoon [~SplendidS@38.111.ly.vgu] has quit [Quit: All these moments will be lost in time, like tears in the rain] [12:32] == mode/#masspirates [+l 27] by [4Q] [12:33] <jokeefe> vaguely, js0000 [12:33] <jokeefe> anyone willing to help setup our wifi for the conference? [12:34] <js0000> that's a segue if i ever heard one ... haha [12:34] <js0000> ok, i can help [12:34] <jokeefe> thank you. others? [12:36] <srevilak> I can bring a WAP if we need a second one [12:38] <jokeefe> thanks. will ask for more folks to help as well. [12:38] <jokeefe> Moving on [12:39] <jokeefe> Legislation Review of An Act updating privacy protections for personal electronic information - http://www.malegislature.gov/Bills/188/Senate/S796 [12:39] <aurelien> there is also http://www.un.org/en/documents/udhr/index.shtml [12:40] <aurelien> and the CNR write by the french resistance during the second war [12:40] <aurelien> saying simply that all personnal communication are private. [12:41] <aurelien> it's in french ... http://fscorsica.org/DemocracyNow/CNR.pdf [12:41] <jokeefe> nice and simple [12:42] <aurelien> Jean Moulin have been tortured and killed by the nazi after that. [12:42] <srevilak> I've started reading S796. It's a bit tricky, lots of "in section X, strike Y, and insert the following". Not quite so nice and simple [12:42] <jokeefe> yes [12:42] <js0000> yeah- i took a look too and found it confusing [12:42] <srevilak> diff is SO much more efficient [12:43] <jokeefe> not so much for adds, though [12:43] <jokeefe> I like incontext diffs for these types of things. [12:43] <jokeefe> since we don't know the existing language well. [12:44] <jokeefe> we don't have to decide now. [12:44] <srevilak> I may go through the exercise of taking exiting law, applying the changes, and seeing what it says [12:45] <srevilak> If I have bandwidth over the next few days [12:45] <jokeefe> sensible. [12:45] <jokeefe> strikes me that the policy committee should review these. anyone want to join it? [12:45] <jokeefe> take existing laws, mark it up, write meta commentary. [12:47] <jokeefe> or check in law, make edits, show diff, write meta commentary [12:48] <jokeefe> keep meaning to get a https://github.com/ account [12:49] <jokeefe> srevilak, any idea if we could have a git server at mayfirst? [12:50] <jokeefe> of course github is free as long as it is public [12:50] <srevilak> jokeefe: I don't see why not [12:51] <srevilak> even if it's only git over ssh, that's just a matter of making a repository and setting up ssh keys [12:51] <js0000> git is distributed anyway [12:51] <srevilak> but gitosis could be fun to play with :) [12:51] <jokeefe> there is this: https://github.com/morrissinger/ma-laws [12:51] <js0000> gitosis? [12:51] <jokeefe> gitosis? i like it just from the name [12:51] * js0000 thinks it sounds like a social disease [12:52] <srevilak> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Gitosis [12:52] <jokeefe> this looks interesting as well https://github.com/sethwoodworth/mass-legis-boston-public [12:54] <jokeefe> I think we have a talk. Using git to keep track of changes in legislation. [12:54] <srevilak> http://www.generalwill.org/, but that's more focused on annotation [12:55] <srevilak> https://blog.abevoelker.com/gitlaw-github-for-laws-and-legal-documents-a-tourniquet-for-american-liberty/ [12:55] * js0000 has to run to a meeting [12:55] <jokeefe> take care js0000 [12:56] == js0000 [~jsaylor@makqkv-95.feldberg.brandeis.edu] has left #masspirates [c u l8r!] [12:56] <jokeefe> I remember generalwill.org, does it do diffs? [12:56] == mode/#masspirates [+l 25] by [4Q] [12:56] <srevilak> I'm not sure. Been a while since I've played with it [12:56] <srevilak> But the annotation, suggested changes facilities were kind of neat [12:57] <jokeefe> true [12:57] == OurAnonTimes [webchat@fv10-718-715-67.ks.ks.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Web client closed]

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