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== Quick Notes / Summaries Re Proposed Bills to be Discussed: ==
== Quick Notes / Summaries Re Proposed Bills to be Discussed: ==


* [https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AkPs3eiAOk5mdG9WRG9mOC15Z2lIUS1ZcTdVck84SkE&usp=sharing|Survey results]
* [https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AkPs3eiAOk5mdG9WRG9mOC15Z2lIUS1ZcTdVck84SkE&usp=sharing Survey results]
* [https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AkPs3eiAOk5mdDlqRm90UWhRUUpPY1E4cC1icUU0a3c&usp=sharing|Conference site info}
* [https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AkPs3eiAOk5mdDlqRm90UWhRUUpPY1E4cC1icUU0a3c&usp=sharing Conference site info]


== Participants ==
== Participants ==


* srevilak - Steve Revilak, Arlington
* srevilak - Steve Revilak, Arlington
* SplendidSpoon - Lauren Pespisa, Boxboro/Cambridge
* jokeefe - James O'Keefe, Somerville
* jokeefe - James O'Keefe, Somerville
* steverudy - Steve Rudolfi, Watertown, MA
* steverudy - Steve Rudolfi, Watertown, MA
* js0000 - john saylor
* js0000 - john saylor
* Shidash - M. C. McGrath, Boston, MA
* Shidash - M. C. McGrath, Boston, MA
* mildbeard - Erik Zoltan, Framingham


Observers:
Observers:


* passstab - PA
* passstab - PA
* davidd
* ageis
* ageis
* aurelien
* Dionysus
* Dionysus
* OurAnonTimes
* zby_home
* bsod
* bsod
* dan_
* dan_
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==== Democracy/IT ====
==== Democracy/IT ====


* as of last night, our wiki should be spam-free, or pretty darn close to spam free
* Looking to move wiki over to new hosting service.  New site setup, waiting for one fix.
* mayfirst (hosting provider we're moving too) has a nice canned mediawiki setup, but it's a slightly older version
* plan is to export remaining pages (about 135 of them), and import into a new mediawiki instance
* hopefully we can use mysqldump to migrate users accounts, but that needs to be tested
* we do wiki migration when Democracy committee next meets
* set up new masspirates web site last sat, and working on mailing list migration
* new blog at masspiratesweb.mayfirst.org
* 3dclay sent new image design, sent him comments, waiting on final version
* need more stock images, since this new theme is more image intensive


==== Welcoming ====
=== Survey ===
 
* posted a request for interns
* found a site for an evening meetup


=== Survey ===
Interesting result.  See the [https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AkPs3eiAOk5mdG9WRG9mOC15Z2lIUS1ZcTdVck84SkE&usp=sharing survey results].


=== Conference ===
=== Conference ===
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==== Space ====
==== Space ====


Haven't heard back from all places yet. Will put out a flier with date and location vague.
[https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AkPs3eiAOk5mdDlqRm90UWhRUUpPY1E4cC1icUU0a3c&usp=sharing Conference site info] is available.  Looking like Democracy Center or Community Church, but there may be one more site to consider.
 
==== Topics & Speakers ====
 
A talk on using whatever GitLaw like platform we adopt would be good.
 
==== Logistics ====
 
js0000 said he would help with the conference wifi.


=== Legislation ===
=== Legislation ===


Started a review of [http://www.malegislature.gov/Bills/188/Senate/S796 An Act updating privacy protections for personal electronic information], but since it consisted only of the changes and not what is being changed, it proved to be more difficult to tackle it in a half an hour.
Possible to get the MGL and put it into Github.
 
Discussion ensued about what tools we could use to track such diffs.  They included:
 
* Setting up a [https://github.com/|Github] account since they are free for public items.
* Setting up a git server on our new hosting service
* Using [https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Gitosis|Gitosis]
* Using [http://www.generalwill.org/|General Will], which was done by some Occupy Boston folks
 
Some tools we found:
 
* https://github.com/morrissinger/ma-laws
* https://github.com/sethwoodworth/mass-legis-boston-public
 
For inspiration is this blog post: [https://blog.abevoelker.com/gitlaw-github-for-laws-and-legal-documents-a-tourniquet-for-american-liberty/|GitLaw: GitHub for Laws and Legal Documents - a Tourniquet for American Liberty]
 
=== Other Ideas ===
 
We could use some kind of listing of current endeavors and maybe specific things that need volunteers.  jokeefe agreed to put one up on the wiki.


== Meeting Minutes ==
== Meeting Minutes ==


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[12:04] <@jokeefe> Agenda at http://masspirates.org/wiki/index.php?title=March_28th,_2013_IRC_Meeting
[12:05] <@jokeefe> starting ids - James O'Keefe, Somerville
[12:08] <@srevilak> Steve Revilak, Arlington
[12:08] <@Shidash> M. C. McGrath, Boston
[12:09] <+steverudy>  Steve Rudolfi, Watertown, MA
[12:13] <@jokeefe> Meetup Review - Lucia and I passed out fliers for the conference.  Sparsely attended lunch.  Had to miss the "Patents are good" talk due to family.  Got to boo the job of a patent examiner on stage at the nVidia demo/talk
[12:13] <@jokeefe> sorry that was for pax
[12:13] <@jokeefe> How was LibrePlanet?
[12:13] <@srevilak> was good
[12:14] <@srevilak> got to give a 5 min talk to 25 people
[12:14] <@srevilak> "Hi we're here, here's what we're about.  Wanna run for office?"
[12:14] <@jokeefe> nice
[12:15] <@srevilak> Two good talks.  Once from Wendy seltzer of berkman center on internet and copyright
[12:15] <@srevilak> another from sunlight foundation, civx on civic hacking
[12:15] <@jokeefe> cool, any of the talks up on video?  haven't seen them on the site.
[12:16] <@srevilak> not yet, but I think intention is to get them up eventually
[12:16] <@srevilak> sadly, mine wasn't recorded.
[12:17] <@jokeefe> dang
[12:19] <@jokeefe> Committee reports, next
[12:19] <+feedbot> [Twitter] masspirates: @asher_wolf yay!!! sick kids can be a very scary thing. glad to know he is better. - http://twitter.com/masspirates/statuses/317309479916032001
[12:20] <@jokeefe> Democracy - srevilak cleaned the wiki of spam, new website nearly done, been adding blog posts in both for now.
[12:20] == Shidash [~shidash@941-52-48-057-rfxxjmu2i.bu.edu] has quit [Quit: Leaving.]
[12:21] <@srevilak> More democracy - I've done a test load of wiki into new hosting provider's infrastructure.  Worked out.  Just need to do it for real.
[12:24] <@jokeefe> cool
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[12:25] <@jokeefe> So, survey.  It is at: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AkPs3eiAOk5mdG9WRG9mOC15Z2lIUS1ZcTdVck84SkE#gid=0
[12:25] <@jokeefe> Surprisingly the vote for no policy was the largest item for the change the voting age group of questions.
[12:25] <@jokeefe> 43%
[12:26] <@jokeefe> for the others is was 0% or 5%.  About two had 14%.
[12:27] <@jokeefe> other than that it struck me as techno-libertarian-socialists.
[12:27] <@jokeefe> 76% - Open culture eliminates monopoly
[12:27] <@jokeefe> 81% - we should have a local focus
[12:28] <@jokeefe> 81% - reform democracy
[12:29] <@jokeefe> 0% - that our policy should emphasize terrorism
[12:29] <+davidd> 17:25|<jokeefe:#masspirates> Surprisingly the vote for no policy was the largest
[12:29] <+davidd> i feel a bit of pride
[12:29] <+davidd> i suggested the "no policy" option to ...beard
[12:30] <@jokeefe> good that you did.
[12:30] <+davidd> mildbeard
[12:30] <+davidd> that was his nick
[12:31] <+davidd> i like what you guys are doing, keep it up
[12:31] <@jokeefe> Kind of surprised that eliminating medical patents was a bit lower than single payer, but we didn't mail to just pirates, but anyone we had contact with.
[12:32] <+davidd> was that a question where multiple ticks were advised?
[12:32] <@jokeefe> yes, it was choose all that apply
[12:32] <@jokeefe> clearly though, we need to move these to web and specify a time limit.  one survey just came in this week.
[12:33] <+davidd> what is the estimated responserate?
[12:33] <@jokeefe> 21 of ~160+ IIRC.
[12:34] <@jokeefe> though we had a number of bounces
[12:35] <+davidd> so each tick is abuot 5% votes
[12:37] <@jokeefe> about
[12:38] <@jokeefe> anyone up for writing a blog post with the results?
[12:40] == Shidash [~shidash@74-90-00-364-uleqqvhd8f.bu.edu] has joined #masspirates
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[12:41] <+davidd> i suggest you make a report in pdf and at least send it to the people that returned the form
[12:44] <@jokeefe> moving on - conference
[12:44] <@jokeefe> info at https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AkPs3eiAOk5mdDlqRm90UWhRUUpPY1E4cC1icUU0a3c&usp=sharing
[12:44] <@jokeefe> Sadly the nonprofit center doesn't work with 527s, so it is out.
[12:45] <@jokeefe> They suggested another site spacewithasoul.org so I emailed them.
[12:46] <@jokeefe> Baring a favorable report from them, looks like we are left with the Community Church or the Democracy Center
[12:46] == js0000 [~jsaylor@makqkv-95.feldberg.brandeis.edu] has joined #masspirates
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[12:46] <@jokeefe> hi js0000
[12:46] <+js0000> hey
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[12:47] <@jokeefe> agenda etc at http://masspirates.org/wiki/index.php?title=March_28th,_2013_IRC_Meeting
[12:47] <+js0000> sorry i missed most of meeting ...
[12:47] <@jokeefe> on the conference
[12:47] <@jokeefe> log up there now
[12:48] <@jokeefe> opinions on sites?
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[12:49] <+js0000> sorry for being an idiot: which community church? and is democracy center the one in chinatown?
[12:50] <@srevilak> community church is in copley square
[12:50] <@srevilak> democracy center is in harvard sq
[12:50] <+js0000> thx
[12:50] <@srevilak> was last year's conf. @ democracy center?
[12:50] <+js0000> i have no opinion other than havard sq is an easier commute for me ...
[12:54] <@jokeefe> yes, srevilak
[12:54] <@jokeefe> thanks for the data point js0000
[12:56] <@srevilak> I have impression that community church is a little larger -- is that accurate?
[12:57] <@srevilak> I don't beleve that CCB has any A/V facilities
[12:57]  * srevilak has to run to a meeting.  Will read transcript later
[12:58] <@jokeefe> different layout.  the main hall is fairly wide with fixed seats.  the demo center is not as wide but deeper and has a 2nd room that merges with the first.
[13:02] <@jokeefe> well, any how, hope to hear back from Space with a Soul soon.
[13:02] <@jokeefe> though I have a feeling they will bust our budget.
[13:07] <@jokeefe> on legislation, looking like downloading the MGL and putting it up on github could work.  As srevilak noted, it would allow us to file bugs on different parts of the laws.
[13:08] <@jokeefe> shouldn't be too hard to scrape the MGL and put it up.
[13:08] <@jokeefe> that is all I have.  mildbeard, you there?
[13:09] <@mildbeard> yeah
[13:09] <@mildbeard> I don't really have anything today
[13:09] <@mildbeard> sorry
[13:09] <@mildbeard> been pretty swamped
[13:10] <@mildbeard> looks like I'm pretty much working 2 full time jobs now
[13:11] <@jokeefe> ugh, sorry.  Congrats on M becoming a full time writer!
[13:12] <@mildbeard> yeah... she needs a full time assistant or several...
[13:12] <@jokeefe> interns dude
[13:12] <@mildbeard> lmao
[13:13] <@mildbeard> slave labor, that's marriage isn't it?
[13:13] <@jokeefe> lol
[13:14] <@jokeefe> well, there could be compensation in terms of she reads and reviews each chapter the intern writes and offers suggestions.
[13:17] <@mildbeard> it's so complicated, blog tours, publisher pitches, editors, cover design, advertising and promotions. it's really a business and it's a start-up, which means long hours.
[13:23] <@jokeefe> good luck
[13:23] <@mildbeard> tx
[13:23] <@jokeefe> that's all I have.  shall we give a heave ho to the meeting?
[13:24] <@mildbeard> move to adjourn
[13:25] <@jokeefe> 2nd
[13:25] <@mildbeard> aye
[13:25] <@jokeefe> all in favor?
[13:26] <@jokeefe> aye

Latest revision as of 16:28, 11 May 2013

Agenda

  1. Meetup Review
  2. Committee Reports
  3. Survey
  4. Conference
    1. Space
  5. Legislation

Quick Notes / Summaries Re Proposed Bills to be Discussed:

Participants

  • srevilak - Steve Revilak, Arlington
  • jokeefe - James O'Keefe, Somerville
  • steverudy - Steve Rudolfi, Watertown, MA
  • js0000 - john saylor
  • Shidash - M. C. McGrath, Boston, MA
  • mildbeard - Erik Zoltan, Framingham

Observers:

  • passstab - PA
  • davidd
  • ageis
  • Dionysus
  • bsod
  • dan_
  • cmal
  • illunatic
  • Mozart
  • AdVATAR

Summary

Meetup Review

Committee Reports

Democracy/IT

  • Looking to move wiki over to new hosting service. New site setup, waiting for one fix.

Survey

Interesting result. See the survey results.

Conference

Space

Conference site info is available. Looking like Democracy Center or Community Church, but there may be one more site to consider.

Legislation

Possible to get the MGL and put it into Github.

Meeting Minutes

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[12:04] <@jokeefe> Agenda at http://masspirates.org/wiki/index.php?title=March_28th,_2013_IRC_Meeting [12:05] <@jokeefe> starting ids - James O'Keefe, Somerville [12:08] <@srevilak> Steve Revilak, Arlington [12:08] <@Shidash> M. C. McGrath, Boston [12:09] <+steverudy> Steve Rudolfi, Watertown, MA [12:13] <@jokeefe> Meetup Review - Lucia and I passed out fliers for the conference. Sparsely attended lunch. Had to miss the "Patents are good" talk due to family. Got to boo the job of a patent examiner on stage at the nVidia demo/talk [12:13] <@jokeefe> sorry that was for pax [12:13] <@jokeefe> How was LibrePlanet? [12:13] <@srevilak> was good [12:14] <@srevilak> got to give a 5 min talk to 25 people [12:14] <@srevilak> "Hi we're here, here's what we're about. Wanna run for office?" [12:14] <@jokeefe> nice [12:15] <@srevilak> Two good talks. Once from Wendy seltzer of berkman center on internet and copyright [12:15] <@srevilak> another from sunlight foundation, civx on civic hacking [12:15] <@jokeefe> cool, any of the talks up on video? haven't seen them on the site. [12:16] <@srevilak> not yet, but I think intention is to get them up eventually [12:16] <@srevilak> sadly, mine wasn't recorded. [12:17] <@jokeefe> dang [12:19] <@jokeefe> Committee reports, next [12:19] <+feedbot> [Twitter] masspirates: @asher_wolf yay!!! sick kids can be a very scary thing. glad to know he is better. - http://twitter.com/masspirates/statuses/317309479916032001 [12:20] <@jokeefe> Democracy - srevilak cleaned the wiki of spam, new website nearly done, been adding blog posts in both for now. [12:20] == Shidash [~shidash@941-52-48-057-rfxxjmu2i.bu.edu] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] [12:21] <@srevilak> More democracy - I've done a test load of wiki into new hosting provider's infrastructure. Worked out. Just need to do it for real. [12:24] <@jokeefe> cool [12:24] == Dionysius [webchat@65.209.sw.mv] has joined #masspirates [12:24] == mode/#masspirates [+v Dionysius] by [4Q] [12:24] == mode/#masspirates [+l 22] by [4Q] [12:25] <@jokeefe> So, survey. It is at: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AkPs3eiAOk5mdG9WRG9mOC15Z2lIUS1ZcTdVck84SkE#gid=0 [12:25] <@jokeefe> Surprisingly the vote for no policy was the largest item for the change the voting age group of questions. [12:25] <@jokeefe> 43% [12:26] <@jokeefe> for the others is was 0% or 5%. About two had 14%. [12:27] <@jokeefe> other than that it struck me as techno-libertarian-socialists. [12:27] <@jokeefe> 76% - Open culture eliminates monopoly [12:27] <@jokeefe> 81% - we should have a local focus [12:28] <@jokeefe> 81% - reform democracy [12:29] <@jokeefe> 0% - that our policy should emphasize terrorism [12:29] <+davidd> 17:25|<jokeefe:#masspirates> Surprisingly the vote for no policy was the largest [12:29] <+davidd> i feel a bit of pride [12:29] <+davidd> i suggested the "no policy" option to ...beard [12:30] <@jokeefe> good that you did. [12:30] <+davidd> mildbeard [12:30] <+davidd> that was his nick [12:31] <+davidd> i like what you guys are doing, keep it up [12:31] <@jokeefe> Kind of surprised that eliminating medical patents was a bit lower than single payer, but we didn't mail to just pirates, but anyone we had contact with. [12:32] <+davidd> was that a question where multiple ticks were advised? [12:32] <@jokeefe> yes, it was choose all that apply [12:32] <@jokeefe> clearly though, we need to move these to web and specify a time limit. one survey just came in this week. [12:33] <+davidd> what is the estimated responserate? [12:33] <@jokeefe> 21 of ~160+ IIRC. [12:34] <@jokeefe> though we had a number of bounces [12:35] <+davidd> so each tick is abuot 5% votes [12:37] <@jokeefe> about [12:38] <@jokeefe> anyone up for writing a blog post with the results? [12:40] == Shidash [~shidash@74-90-00-364-uleqqvhd8f.bu.edu] has joined #masspirates [12:40] == mode/#masspirates [+o Shidash] by [4Q] [12:40] == mode/#masspirates [+v Shidash] by [4Q] [12:40] == mode/#masspirates [+l 23] by [4Q] [12:41] <+davidd> i suggest you make a report in pdf and at least send it to the people that returned the form [12:44] <@jokeefe> moving on - conference [12:44] <@jokeefe> info at https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AkPs3eiAOk5mdDlqRm90UWhRUUpPY1E4cC1icUU0a3c&usp=sharing [12:44] <@jokeefe> Sadly the nonprofit center doesn't work with 527s, so it is out. [12:45] <@jokeefe> They suggested another site spacewithasoul.org so I emailed them. [12:46] <@jokeefe> Baring a favorable report from them, looks like we are left with the Community Church or the Democracy Center [12:46] == js0000 [~jsaylor@makqkv-95.feldberg.brandeis.edu] has joined #masspirates [12:46] == mode/#masspirates [+v js0000] by [4Q] [12:46] <@jokeefe> hi js0000 [12:46] <+js0000> hey [12:46] == mode/#masspirates [+l 24] by [4Q] [12:47] <@jokeefe> agenda etc at http://masspirates.org/wiki/index.php?title=March_28th,_2013_IRC_Meeting [12:47] <+js0000> sorry i missed most of meeting ... [12:47] <@jokeefe> on the conference [12:47] <@jokeefe> log up there now [12:48] <@jokeefe> opinions on sites? [12:48] == Dionysius [webchat@65.209.sw.mv] has quit [Quit: Web client closed] [12:49] <+js0000> sorry for being an idiot: which community church? and is democracy center the one in chinatown? [12:50] <@srevilak> community church is in copley square [12:50] <@srevilak> democracy center is in harvard sq [12:50] <+js0000> thx [12:50] <@srevilak> was last year's conf. @ democracy center? [12:50] <+js0000> i have no opinion other than havard sq is an easier commute for me ... [12:54] <@jokeefe> yes, srevilak [12:54] <@jokeefe> thanks for the data point js0000 [12:56] <@srevilak> I have impression that community church is a little larger -- is that accurate? [12:57] <@srevilak> I don't beleve that CCB has any A/V facilities [12:57] * srevilak has to run to a meeting. Will read transcript later [12:58] <@jokeefe> different layout. the main hall is fairly wide with fixed seats. the demo center is not as wide but deeper and has a 2nd room that merges with the first. [13:02] <@jokeefe> well, any how, hope to hear back from Space with a Soul soon. [13:02] <@jokeefe> though I have a feeling they will bust our budget. [13:07] <@jokeefe> on legislation, looking like downloading the MGL and putting it up on github could work. As srevilak noted, it would allow us to file bugs on different parts of the laws. [13:08] <@jokeefe> shouldn't be too hard to scrape the MGL and put it up. [13:08] <@jokeefe> that is all I have. mildbeard, you there? [13:09] <@mildbeard> yeah [13:09] <@mildbeard> I don't really have anything today [13:09] <@mildbeard> sorry [13:09] <@mildbeard> been pretty swamped [13:10] <@mildbeard> looks like I'm pretty much working 2 full time jobs now [13:11] <@jokeefe> ugh, sorry. Congrats on M becoming a full time writer! [13:12] <@mildbeard> yeah... she needs a full time assistant or several... [13:12] <@jokeefe> interns dude [13:12] <@mildbeard> lmao [13:13] <@mildbeard> slave labor, that's marriage isn't it? [13:13] <@jokeefe> lol [13:14] <@jokeefe> well, there could be compensation in terms of she reads and reviews each chapter the intern writes and offers suggestions. [13:17] <@mildbeard> it's so complicated, blog tours, publisher pitches, editors, cover design, advertising and promotions. it's really a business and it's a start-up, which means long hours. [13:23] <@jokeefe> good luck [13:23] <@mildbeard> tx [13:23] <@jokeefe> that's all I have. shall we give a heave ho to the meeting? [13:24] <@mildbeard> move to adjourn [13:25] <@jokeefe> 2nd [13:25] <@mildbeard> aye [13:25] <@jokeefe> all in favor? [13:26] <@jokeefe> aye