September 26th, 2013 IRC Meeting

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  1. Review Past Events
    1. Boston Software Freedom Day, Sat., Sept. 21st, 9:30am - 5:30pm
    2. Cambridge Hearing on Surveillance Cameras, Thu., Sept. 26th
  2. Upcoming Events
    1. CryptoParty, Sat., Sept. 28th, South end tech center. Mesh networks and CJDNS. Jason to record.
    2. FSF GNU 30th Anniversary Celebration & Hackathon
    3. Wikileaks 7th Anniversary Party, Fri., Oct. 4th-Sat., Oct. 5th
    4. Phone banking, Sun., Oct 6th, 5-7pm - Need location on MBTA?
    5. General Meeting, Sun., Oct. 20, Medway, MA
    6. Digital Media Conference, Cambridge, Fri., Oct. 25-Sun., 27
    7. Halloween Fundraiser?, End Oct.
    8. LibrePlanet Free Software Meeting, Weds Nov 6th, evening, Jamie speaking on the "Dangers of the Surveillance State
    9. Scorpion Bowl, Positronic Design, 903 Dwight St, Holyoke MA. Nov 9th
    10. LibrePlanet Free Software Meeting, Weds Dec 4th, evening, Steve speaking
  3. Future Events
    1. College Cryptoparties
    2. Candidate & Activist Trainings
      1. Conflict resolution, not feeding trolls, recognizing trolls, damage control.
      2. Having a good line of conversation when we are asked hard questions. Being able to succinctly get the MPP platform across without appearing too rehearsed.
    3. Sponsoring some real or mock debates or something about the need for third party politics
  4. Flyer printing run - 2000 Flyers acquired.
  5. Campaign Task List: Tasks


  • Bluestreak (Lucia Fiero)
  • srevilak (Steve Revilak, Arlington, MA)
  • Surrexit (Joshua Stopyra, Worcester, MA)
  • js0000
  • jokeefe (James O'Keefe, Somerville)
  • Garret
  • igel (William Fleurant, Arlington, MA)
  • Kendra
  • JCFiero (Jason Fiero)
  • kit


  • Prutzenberk
  • Shidash
  • davidd
  • zby
  • ageis_


Meeting Minutes

[9:02pm] jokeefe: agenda -,_2013_IRC_Meeting
[9:02pm] Bluestreak: Thank you!
[9:02pm] Garret: i knew this guy had an agenda
[9:02pm] Bluestreak: Always
[9:02pm] Garret: got my eyes on you
[9:02pm] • igel_ was just lookn for that...
[9:02pm] jokeefe: Review Past Events
[9:02pm] Bluestreak: I invited Bryan to join us but he might not be home yet
[9:03pm] jokeefe: ooops ids - James O'Keefe, Somerville
[9:03pm] Bluestreak: Or SFD was awesome
[9:03pm] Bluestreak: Oh
[9:03pm] srevilak: Steve Revilak, Arlington, MA
[9:03pm] Bluestreak: Lucia Fiero
[9:03pm] igel_ left the chat room. (Client Quit)
[9:03pm] Igel: William Fleurant, Arlington, MA
[9:04pm] Bluestreak: While we are waiting... Bryan drove an HOUR from Leominster to attend the Cambr hearing
[9:04pm] Surrexit: Joshua Stopyra, Worcester, MA
[9:04pm] jokeefe: that is dedication!  he is the Pirate!
[9:04pm] Bluestreak: He IS
[9:05pm] Kendra joined the chat room.
[9:05pm] Igel: whoa at that time too... pirate road juarrior
[9:05pm] Bluestreak: Getting him his CAHDS this week
[9:05pm] Bluestreak: KENDRA!
[9:05pm] jokeefe:
[9:05pm] jokeefe: So - Review Past Events
[9:05pm] Kendra: Hi, Kendra Moyer, Arlington
[9:05pm] Bluestreak: Yes SFD is quite the event
[9:05pm] Bluestreak: FSF peep make excellent recruits
[9:06pm] Bluestreak: And... MOLLY!
[9:06pm] jokeefe: yes
[9:06pm] Bluestreak: I will be following up with her (when I get that PDF... no pressure!)
[9:06pm] Kendra: I was expecting a little more interactive events, but I liked the lightening rounds and the last guy was really interesting.  Will sent me a link with the recoding.
[9:06pm] Kendra: Who is Molly?
[9:06pm] Bluestreak: I liked your talk K
[9:06pm] Kendra: Thanks
[9:06pm] srevilak: IMHO, there's a fair amount of alighnment between FSF and MAPP
[9:07pm] Bluestreak: And liked how articulate you were
[9:07pm] Kendra: *blushing*
[9:07pm] Bluestreak: LOL
[9:07pm] Garret: What is FSF?
[9:07pm] jokeefe: +1
[9:07pm] jokeefe: Free Software Foundation
[9:07pm] jokeefe:
[9:07pm] srevilak: FSF= Free Software Foundation.
[9:07pm] Bluestreak: yeah that
[9:07pm] Garret: ahh. thanks.
[9:08pm] Bluestreak: They are all about no DRM patents copyright.... LIKE US!
[9:08pm] JCFiero joined the chat room.
[9:08pm] Bluestreak: Plus they have the Taylor Swift of Linux
[9:08pm] Bluestreak: Woop!
[9:08pm] jokeefe: LOL
[9:08pm] Bluestreak: Say hi Jason
[9:08pm] js0000: not stallman?
[9:08pm] JCFiero: hi -  \
[9:08pm] Bluestreak: (ID)
[9:09pm] jokeefe: thanks to all who helped on Saturday.
[9:09pm] JCFiero: Jason Fiero
[9:09pm] jokeefe: Upcoming Events
[9:09pm] jokeefe: Cryptoparty is all set, yes?
[9:09pm] srevilak: I think so
[9:09pm] Bluestreak: We are checking our equipment
[9:09pm] srevilak: Igel - are we all set on transport for caleb?
[9:09pm] Bluestreak: ]and Jason has been playing with the flip cam
[9:09pm] Bluestreak: Oh
[9:09pm] Bluestreak: No
[9:09pm] Bluestreak: Where does he need to get from?
[9:10pm] Igel: srevilak: yes 
[9:10pm] srevilak: Igel: great, thx
[9:10pm] Igel:
[9:10pm] jokeefe: where is he coming from?
[9:10pm] Bluestreak: Caleb needs transport from where?
[9:10pm] Igel: i think hes out by uhm... oneoris ?
[9:10pm] Igel: amherst?
[9:10pm] Bluestreak: Sigh
[9:10pm] Igel: hurst*
[9:11pm] Igel: ??
[9:11pm] Bluestreak: Seriously?
[9:11pm] Kendra: Sounded like he was out on Mars
[9:11pm] Bluestreak: That's a bombshell
[9:11pm] Igel: whats wrong?
[9:11pm] Kendra: Oh he needs a ride from Amhearst.  How far is that?
[9:11pm] Bluestreak: 2 Hours!
[9:12pm] Igel: no no, we are all set on transport
[9:12pm] Bluestreak: Whew!
[9:12pm] srevilak: Igel and I had this discussion a while back
[9:12pm] jokeefe: great
[9:12pm] Bluestreak: Panicking over nothgin
[9:12pm] srevilak: yup 
[9:12pm] Bluestreak:
[9:12pm] jokeefe: Wikileaks 7th Anniversary Party, Fri., Oct. 4th-Sat., Oct. 5th -
[9:12pm] Bluestreak: I panick because I care!
[9:13pm] Bluestreak: This is Jason and my baby
[9:13pm] Bluestreak: Ppl we don't even know will be coming
[9:13pm] Bluestreak: Maybe we should get a permit?
[9:13pm] Bluestreak: (Ooops)
[9:13pm] srevilak: I'm a "maybe" that weekend.  Have MFPL support meeting that weekend, but haven't worked out logistics
[9:13pm] Bluestreak: All night is too much to ask of most ppl
[9:14pm] Bluestreak: Think of it as an opne house
[9:14pm] Bluestreak: come when you can, stay a while and go
[9:14pm] Garret: the 5th may be problematic....
[9:14pm] Bluestreak: 4th
[9:14pm] Bluestreak: mostly the 4th
[9:14pm] Bluestreak: 10/4 good buddy
[9:14pm] Garret: developing schemes in Lynn about this po-lice officer... i can't commit to an all nighter
[9:14pm] Igel: oh srevilak jokeefe was that tweet from @SaraSaperstein related to the venue?
[9:15pm] Garret: lol @ 10/4
[9:15pm] Bluestreak: That's our anniversary.
[9:15pm] jokeefe: no, I think the topic
[9:15pm] Kendra: Not to get off track, but Jamie, do we have the gnu 30th anniversary this weekend 9/27-9/29 on our events calendar?  I know it conflicts with the crypto party.
[9:15pm] srevilak: Last @SaraSaperstein looks related to Sat cryptoparty.  Tell her to come 
[9:16pm] Bluestreak: Good point, K
[9:16pm] Kendra: I might wander over there at some point.
[9:16pm] jokeefe: so, objections to endorsing Wikileaks 7th Anniversary Party?
[9:16pm] srevilak: I'll be at gnu:30 in the morning, then head to SETC
[9:16pm] Bluestreak: We will see how cooperative AJ is after the CP
[9:16pm] Bluestreak: Cool
[9:16pm] Kendra: No objections from me. Do it.
[9:16pm] srevilak: jokeefe: I favor endorsement
[9:16pm] Bluestreak: Bring flyers to GNU30 ppl
[9:17pm] Bluestreak: 2nd srevilak
[9:17pm] jokeefe: got them, will give to srevilak
[9:17pm] jokeefe: guess tonight. 
[9:17pm] js0000: endorse wikileaks
[9:17pm] srevilak: jokeefe: ok.  See you tonight
[9:17pm] Bluestreak: Join us John!
[9:17pm] js0000: not sure, but will make an attempt
[9:18pm] Bluestreak: Anything you can do is appreciated. I will start making signs after the CP
[9:18pm] Bluestreak: Order of operations
[9:18pm] Bluestreak: Focused on CP until Sat.
[9:19pm] Bluestreak: I'm good with coverage of our vent
[9:19pm] Bluestreak: feel free to move on
[9:19pm] Bluestreak: Phone bank location?
[9:19pm] Bluestreak: Oh wair
[9:20pm] Bluestreak: t
[9:20pm] Bluestreak: Need vote to endorese sry Capn
[9:20pm] Bluestreak: ZZZ
[9:20pm] Bluestreak: (bit sleepy)
[9:20pm] Bluestreak: Brb
[9:20pm] jokeefe: need 2nd
[9:20pm] Kendra: 2nd
[9:21pm] js0000: for wikileaks?
[9:21pm] Kendra: yes
[9:21pm] jokeefe: all in favor of endorsing Wikileaks event
[9:21pm] js0000: 2nd
[9:21pm] jokeefe: ?
[9:21pm] js0000: yes
[9:21pm] srevilak: aye (wikileaks)
[9:21pm] jokeefe: aye
[9:21pm] JCFiero: thx!
[9:21pm] Kendra: aye
[9:22pm] Kendra: So phone bank next? Is there anything started?
[9:22pm] jokeefe: any opposed?
[9:22pm] JCFiero: hope to see ya'll there.. if you are busy a drop in will be most appreciated 
[9:23pm] Kendra: Assumeing we are in agreement on wikileaks.
[9:23pm] jokeefe: vote to endorse wikileaks protest passes
[9:23pm] jokeefe: Reminder: Phone banking, Sun., Oct 6th, 5-7pm - Need location on MBTA?
[9:23pm] jokeefe: General Meeting, Sun., Oct. 20, Medway, MA
[9:24pm] jokeefe: Met with folks organizing Digital Media Conference today
[9:24pm] Bluestreak: please RSVP!
[9:24pm] Bluestreak: Ugh... not fast enough!
[9:24pm] Kendra: Are you presenting at DMC?
[9:24pm] srevilak: jokeefe: what's the news on DMC?
[9:24pm] Bluestreak: Yes, James... tell us
[9:25pm] jokeefe: thanks!
[9:25pm] srevilak: (I have DMC questions, but you may answer them)
[9:26pm] jokeefe: Some variation of a crypto party on Sat. likely, They are interested in having Caleb James DeLisle be on a panel to talk about MESH nets
[9:26pm] Bluestreak: Ww want to hear from you, Captain!
[9:26pm] Bluestreak: Oh cool! Can he get transport?
[9:26pm] jokeefe: Would have to work that out
[9:27pm] Bluestreak: Moi? Sure thing.
[9:27pm] jokeefe: Would someone ask him if he is interested?
[9:27pm] Bluestreak: Will?
[9:27pm] Bluestreak: igel?
[9:27pm] Igel: i am trying to find DMC
[9:27pm] srevilak: We should be able to discuss saturday, if not before
[9:28pm] Bluestreak: Good point
[9:28pm] jokeefe: thanks
[9:28pm] jokeefe: may be able to do a crypto party on Sunday, too.
[9:28pm] Bluestreak: Um... Oct 26?
[9:29pm] jokeefe: I believe so.
[9:29pm] jokeefe: pretty certain
[9:29pm] Igel: OK i re-read
[9:30pm] jokeefe: Halloween Fundraiser - any leads on a place?
[9:30pm] srevilak: how big is our DMC cryptoparty timeslot?
[9:30pm] jokeefe: 1.5 on Sat.
[9:30pm] jokeefe: potentially more on Sunday.
[9:30pm] srevilak: kthx.  Important consideration for choosing topics
[9:31pm] Bluestreak: K is working on venue. Jason and I are recruiting talent.
[9:31pm] Bluestreak: Reached out to Chance
[9:31pm] jokeefe: program -
[9:31pm] Bluestreak: Get some politically relevant rap
[9:32pm] Kendra: Angie and Sarah have fallen off the radar since last weekend.  I am still trying to get a hold of the manager over at Industry Labs and looking at some other spots.  It might be  there or E5 (which is very small) Or maybe somewhere else. 
[9:32pm] Kendra: Open to suggestions at this point.
[9:32pm] Igel: thanks /me pass it on
[9:32pm] Bluestreak: How samll is very small?
[9:32pm] Bluestreak: e5 is a good lcation
[9:32pm] jokeefe: e5 too small?
[9:32pm] Bluestreak: What will our cover be?
[9:33pm] Kendra: I think you can have a decent event if people are coming and going.  It's not like it's a keg party.
[9:33pm] Bluestreak: 10 bucks donation?
[9:33pm] Kendra: I would suggest a sliding scale of 10-20
[9:33pm] Bluestreak: Can we serve alcohol at e5?
[9:33pm] Bluestreak: What is the scope of this event?
[9:34pm] jokeefe: party
[9:34pm] jokeefe: costume
[9:34pm] Igel: Ahh
[9:34pm] Kendra: Yes, no problem, which is why it is preferable.  The people at Industry Labs were a little uptight last week and the space is not right on the SUbway line.  E5 is much easier to get I imagine.
[9:34pm] Igel: In somerville Kendra ?
[9:34pm] Bluestreak: Sprouts?
[9:34pm] Bluestreak: Very halloween party vibe there
[9:34pm] Bluestreak: with the courtyard
[9:34pm] jokeefe: true
[9:35pm] jokeefe: will ask
[9:35pm] Bluestreak: OK well tick tock
[9:35pm] Kendra: E5 is at Park Street next to the Orpheum.  Industry Labs are in Inman SQ in Cambridge.  I live in Arlington and I like Sprouts, we could deck it out.
[9:35pm] Bluestreak: very last minute
[9:35pm] Bluestreak: ppl laready have plans
[9:35pm] Bluestreak: I like Sprouts
[9:35pm] Bluestreak: Parking
[9:35pm] Kendra: People already have Halloween nailed down?
[9:35pm] Bluestreak: better than e5 parking
[9:35pm] Bluestreak: This time of year? toads
[9:35pm] Kendra: Probably can fit more people and have more fun at Sprouts.
[9:36pm] Bluestreak: Agreed
[9:36pm] jokeefe: what day?
[9:36pm] Kendra: Is it expensive to get SProuts?  Do they charge a lot?
[9:36pm] Bluestreak: Good question
[9:36pm] Bluestreak: Halloween proper is...
[9:36pm] Bluestreak: A Thurs
[9:36pm] jokeefe: not expensive, but the down stairs has machine tools
[9:36pm] Kendra: Halloween is on a Thursday, so the weekend before or after Friday or Saturday might work.
[9:37pm] Bluestreak: AFTER
[9:37pm] Kendra: No one will care if there are music and drinks.
[9:37pm] Bluestreak: }less likely to have ppl booked already
[9:37pm] Kendra: I vote Sprouts first, E5 Second, Industry labs 3rd.
[9:37pm] Bluestreak: FYI 11/5 is million mask march
[9:38pm] Bluestreak: 2nd K
[9:38pm] Bluestreak: Jamie did you say you will look into Sprouts?
[9:38pm] Bluestreak: Or are you delegating?
[9:38pm] jokeefe: Happy to delegate
[9:38pm] Kendra: I have time tomorrowto check on Sprouts  if someone can give me contact info.
[9:38pm] Bluestreak: LOL happy to
[9:39pm] Bluestreak: James can do that much!
[9:39pm] jokeefe: will send you contact info
[9:39pm] Bluestreak: Since it's Tally Fox that is making fundraising so necessary all I have to say is the Houshes had better be there!
[9:39pm] Bluestreak: Hmph
[9:40pm] Bluestreak: (Jamie <3 Can you work on them?)
[9:40pm] jokeefe: will ask
[9:40pm] Bluestreak: TY
[9:42pm] Kendra: Just and FYI, if Tally Fox is expensive, here is a free group organizing thing :
[9:42pm] Bluestreak: Good luck with that.
[9:42pm] jokeefe: thanks, Kendra
[9:42pm] Bluestreak: Not going to tell Gregg no Tally Fox
[9:43pm] jokeefe: Moving on to Future Events
[9:43pm] jokeefe: black_van contacted folks about running College Cryptoparties
[9:44pm] Kendra: Is he getting some positive feedback?
[9:44pm] srevilak: Re College Cryptoparties.  Harvard had a small crowd, but they were receptive.  Took to the technology.
[9:44pm] jokeefe: Would be good to have Candidate & Activist Trainings esp. Conflict resolution, not feeding trolls, recognizing trolls, damage control
[9:45pm] Bluestreak: I could talk FROM EXPERIENCE. (Don't be like me!)
[9:45pm] Bluestreak:
[9:45pm] srevilak: what happened?
[9:45pm] Bluestreak: I get keyed up
[9:45pm] Kendra: YEah, I talked to the guy at FS event on Saturday and did not realize he was problematic.  But I swear, as hard as it is, ignore negative behavior and reward positive behavior.
[9:45pm] jokeefe: always important to stay calm
[9:45pm] Bluestreak: yes
[9:46pm] jokeefe: aye, Jendra!
[9:46pm] Bluestreak:  But getting excited gets others excited.
[9:46pm] jokeefe: aye, Kendra!
[9:46pm] Bluestreak: Balance is key
[9:46pm] jokeefe: typo, danq
[9:46pm] Kendra: You have toa ctively decide not to care.  And yes it is hard and why I don't have a huge online presence.  A lot of haters out there.
[9:46pm] Bluestreak: Too calm is bland
[9:46pm] Bluestreak: You ALSO lose people
[9:46pm] jokeefe: best not to be rash
[9:46pm] Kendra: Drama is entertaining.
[9:46pm] Bluestreak: And always, the more successful you become the more haters you will attract
[9:47pm] Bluestreak: Law of the jungle
[9:47pm] Bluestreak: LOL
[9:47pm] Bluestreak: Any one can have a bad day
[9:47pm] srevilak: For the sake of illustration, was there an online exchange we can read?
[9:47pm] Bluestreak: ]Damage control is important
[9:47pm] jokeefe: I think the German Pirates would prefer to have had less drama
[9:47pm] Bluestreak: LOL
[9:47pm] Bluestreak: NO!
[9:47pm] Bluestreak: Yeah if you dont SHARE!
[9:47pm] Kendra: But seriously, how do you strike a balance between having a personality, that some people might not enjoy, and keeping things interesting?
[9:47pm] Bluestreak: I will show you.
[9:48pm] Bluestreak: Wait...
[9:48pm] Bluestreak: jokeefe what say YOU?
[9:48pm] srevilak: Sometimes it good to review this stuff, for the sake of reflecting how it might have been handled differently
[9:48pm] jokeefe: I think we should put a training and guidelines
[9:48pm] jokeefe: Swarmwise does have suggestions on this topic
[9:48pm] srevilak: jokeefe: fair enough
[9:48pm] Kendra: Lucia can you show Steve that wacky blog posting with the guy?
[9:49pm] Bluestreak: I was waiting to see what jokeefe thought of sharing
[9:49pm] Bluestreak: ...
[9:49pm] Kendra: Maybe more privately.
[9:50pm] jokeefe: Save it for the in-person meeting
[9:50pm] Bluestreak: OK. Steve we will discuss it then!
[9:50pm] srevilak: Bluestreak: ok
[9:51pm] srevilak: [ot] amicus brief from Kit:
[9:51pm] Bluestreak: +1
[9:52pm] jokeefe: cool
[9:52pm] srevilak: I may go to hearing on October 10.
[9:53pm] srevilak: anyway, sorry for tangent
[9:53pm] jokeefe: which hearing?
[9:53pm] Bluestreak: The thing he just posted?
[9:54pm] srevilak: yes.  Fifth paragraph
[9:54pm] kit joined the chat room.
[9:54pm] jokeefe: ah
[9:54pm] Bluestreak: Speak of the devil
[9:54pm] kit: (ahoy all)
[9:54pm] Garret: NSA agent
[9:54pm] kit: hmmm?
[9:54pm] srevilak: hi kit.  Just talking about your amicus
[9:54pm] Garret: heard the name, jumped in
[9:54pm] Garret: i know how it works
[9:54pm] Garret:
[9:54pm] jokeefe: hi kit
[9:54pm] kit: heh
[9:54pm] Bluestreak:
[9:54pm] Bluestreak: 5 minute warning...
[9:54pm] kit: actually just came from hearing on cameras (& dinner after)
[9:55pm] Bluestreak: Oh good!
[9:55pm] jokeefe: how was it?
[9:55pm] jokeefe: saw some tweets on it
[9:55pm] Bluestreak: Bryan went to that too, TYVM for goint
[9:55pm] kit: I was there for the prepared statements and the first couple of citizen comments (including mine!) before I had to go. ACLU did a good job (of course). first three citizens were all anti-camera
[9:56pm] Bluestreak: Was Alex Marthews there?
[9:56pm] Bluestreak: He has totally stepped up with supprort of our 10/4 event
[9:56pm] kit: lots of concern about the chilling effect on free speech, the lack of outside oversight in the proposed guidelines, and some shiftiness about whether we were talking about just the six existing (inactive) cameras or additional cameras to be funded with tax $
[9:56pm] Bluestreak: Even wrote a statement and has a contact at the UK consulate
[9:57pm] kit: yes, Alex was there and spoke (third citizen commenter)
[9:57pm] Bluestreak: Mostly ppl against right?
[9:57pm] kit: first three were all against, then I had to go
[9:57pm] kit: police were advocating for it based on (1) claims it deters crime and (2) need to monitor traffic for emergency situations
[9:58pm] Bluestreak: Makes their job easier.
[9:58pm] js0000: makes police state easier
[9:58pm] kit: they wrote guidelines saying they won't use it to spy on protest or minorities, and that they have to tell the city council if they upgrade them to include biometrics
[9:58pm] Bluestreak: As in jut bust ppl in line of sight rather than doing real policing
[9:58pm] Bluestreak: FACE ID?
[9:58pm] Bluestreak: FACE ID seriously?
[9:59pm] js0000: law enforcement has a bad record of following their own guidelines
[9:59pm] Bluestreak: +1
[9:59pm] jokeefe: aye, js0000
[9:59pm] kit: it's phrased in the guidelines to give the impression that biometrics are off-limits, but actually all it says is they have to inform the city council if they start doing that. this is a real foot-in-the-door type moment for the cameras
[10:00pm] Bluestreak: Groan
[10:00pm] kit: (which we and ACLU said)
[10:00pm] js0000: thx for showin up and speakin out
[10:00pm] Kendra: I am going tomorrow to make a quick buck having my voic e recorded for a voice recognition software company in Somerville.  They track your face, voice and weirdly enough, your gait. .
[10:00pm] js0000: gaits are very distinctive
[10:00pm] kit: evidently there are six cameras that were paid for by DHS but the city council ordered the police not to turn them on. so they've been there since 2009 but allegedly off
[10:00pm] js0000: as anyone with poor vision knows from experience
[10:00pm] Bluestreak: Someone get Kendra another JOB!
[10:01pm] kit: also they're all wireless and use some kind of proprietary motorola security. I don't have more detail but would love to know if they're really secure or can be hacked for private spying
[10:01pm] js0000: anything can be hacked
[10:01pm] Bluestreak: Get out yer gadget Capn
[10:01pm] js0000: but it might not be worth the effort
[10:02pm] kit: yeah, what I really mean is "if there are documented security problems that would help kill the camera plan"
[10:02pm] js0000: haha
[10:02pm] Kendra: I think they can track a lot of people , but managing the data and making it truly useful is the issue.  The whole surveillance thing is about capitalism and funding these firms that sell all the gadgets.
[10:03pm] Bluestreak: That and paranoia
[10:03pm] js0000: yes, i just see a police state in my future and am not happy
[10:03pm] kit: only other interesting fact I have to report is that the room was packed. it's not a large room, but it was standing room only. Maybe fifty to sixty people?
[10:03pm] jokeefe: great!
[10:03pm] Bluestreak: AS IT SHOULD BE1
[10:03pm] Bluestreak: !
[10:04pm] jokeefe: we are at an hour.  continue or call it a night?
[10:04pm] Kendra: It is galling to pay taxes to be spied on at every turn.  Think about all the cameras you can't see or locate.
[10:04pm] Bluestreak: I feel as though we have covered a lot already
[10:04pm] jokeefe: no taxation without privacy
[10:05pm] Bluestreak: Just dont pay taxes
[10:05pm] Bluestreak:
[10:05pm] JCFiero: U guys rock thanks for the mtg.
[10:05pm] ANONinMASS joined the chat room.
[10:05pm] jokeefe: hard not to pay sales taxes
[10:05pm] Bluestreak: Jason might chime in at this point...
[10:05pm] ANONinMASS: Ahoy'
[10:05pm] Bluestreak: BYAN!
[10:05pm] jokeefe: hi ANONinMASS
[10:05pm] Bluestreak: We were thinking of wrapping up
[10:05pm] Bluestreak: TYV for going to the meeting!
[10:06pm] Bluestreak: Anyway Jason may have something to pay about taxes except... HE IS PLAYING MINECRAFT WITH AJ!!!!
[10:06pm] ANONinMASS: not a problem, it was my pleasure to spectate and voice questions
[10:06pm] Bluestreak: You got video?
[10:07pm] kit: (it was broadcast on cctv)
[10:07pm] Bluestreak: LOL
[10:07pm] kit: there was kind of a comedic moment when we went to citizen comment and they said "by the way, this is being broadcast on tv"
[10:07pm] js0000: btw, housh piece on barrett brown his friend is recommended
[10:07pm] Bluestreak: Link?
[10:07pm] js0000: sorry for drifting
[10:07pm] Bluestreak: NP Link?
[10:07pm] js0000: didn't you send it out today on twitter
[10:07pm] jokeefe: may not be up on yet
[10:07pm] Bluestreak: Me?
[10:08pm] js0000: for barret brown?
[10:08pm] Bluestreak:  No musta been J
[10:08pm] Kendra: do you have alink to that?  The barret Brown thing?
[10:08pm] Bluestreak: On MPP twitter apparently
[10:08pm] Bluestreak: Move to adjorn BTW
[10:08pm] js0000: pirate twitter posted it
[10:08pm] ANONinMASS: i have black video with audio of my questions and they will be writing to me in reply of my questions
[10:08pm] Igel: ANONinMASS: whats up i was looking to msg you but not on twitter re: meshnet want to make a graphic?
[10:08pm] jokeefe:
[10:08pm] js0000: yes
[10:08pm] Igel: my buddy in nyc might do a mural heh..
[10:08pm] js0000: that's it
[10:08pm] js0000: thx
[10:08pm] Bluestreak: TY jokeefe
[10:08pm] Igel: but its been a couple weeks ,, heh
[10:08pm] srevilak: (note: time is now 22:08)
[10:09pm] Bluestreak: I am BEAT!
[10:09pm] js0000: gotta go
[10:09pm] Bluestreak: \zzzzzzzzzz
[10:09pm] js0000 left the chat room. (later)
[10:09pm] kit: good night all
[10:09pm] Bluestreak: Move to adjorn?
[10:09pm] Kendra: All right move to adjourn?
[10:09pm] srevilak: Bluestreak: 2nd
[10:09pm] ANONinMASS: Igel, email me details
[10:09pm] Bluestreak: jokeefe?
[10:09pm] Kendra: aye
[10:09pm] kit: second
[10:09pm] Bluestreak: LOL
[10:09pm] Igel: yaar
[10:09pm] jokeefe: all in favor of adjourning?
[10:09pm] Bluestreak: (capns gone!
[10:09pm] Bluestreak: aye
[10:09pm] Igel: anon@..?
[10:09pm] Bluestreak: ate
[10:09pm] Bluestreak: aye
[10:09pm] Bluestreak: aye
[10:09pm] Bluestreak: aye
[10:09pm] jokeefe: aye
[10:09pm] kit left the chat room. (Quit: Web client closed)
[10:09pm] Bluestreak:
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[10:10pm] Kendra: Good night everyone.  Jamie email me that info.
[10:10pm] Bluestreak: Goodnight people!
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[10:10pm] Igel: u ever check out cryptocat yet
[10:10pm] srevilak: jokeefe: should I expect to see you shortly?
[10:10pm] Bluestreak: Um no will do that before sat
[10:10pm] srevilak: or should I stop by tomorrow eve?
[10:10pm] ANONinMASS: negative, been super super busy
[10:10pm] Bluestreak: flyers
[10:11pm] Bluestreak: ttyl Bryan
[10:11pm] jokeefe: srevilak, yes, unless you are home tomorrow night?
[10:11pm] srevilak: jokeefe: I'll be around tomorrow.
[10:11pm] Bluestreak: Pleasant dreams y'all!
[10:11pm] Igel: igel@anoninma
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[10:11pm] Igel:
[10:11pm] jokeefe: would prefer to do it tomorrow night.
[10:11pm] jokeefe: rather tired myself.
[10:12pm] srevilak: jokeefe: let's do tomorrow
[10:12pm] jokeefe: thanks.
[10:12pm] jokeefe: have a good night.
[10:12pm] srevilak: I walk by your place on my way home
[10:12pm] srevilak: Can stop in ~ 6:30pm
[10:12pm] srevilak: that work for you?
[10:12pm] jokeefe: I'll have the box ready
[10:12pm] srevilak: ok.  Will pick up
[10:12pm] jokeefe: thanks!
[10:13pm] jokeefe: good night all!