December 26th, 2017 IRC Meeting
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[9:00pm] jokeefe: ahoy [9:02pm] Malt joined the chat room. [9:02pm] tick is now known as AndyK. [9:02pm] AndyK: ahoy [9:02pm] Malt: Howdy y'all [9:03pm] Malt: Howdy [9:04pm] jokeefe: ahoy [9:04pm] Malt: Happy Kwanzaa [9:05pm] Malt: Umoja! [9:05pm] Pirate_50190 joined the chat room. [9:05pm] jokeefe: how is everyone? [9:06pm] Pirate_50190: Ahoy! [9:06pm] Pirate_50190: Cold [9:06pm] Malt: Same [9:06pm] Malt: Sick [9:06pm] jokeefe: aye to that [9:07pm] Pirate_50190: brb [9:07pm] jokeefe: what would you all like to discuss? [9:08pm] Pirate_50190: Funding ? [9:08pm] Pirate_50190 is now known as Joe. [9:08pm] Malt: We need to get ahead of this poison pill net neutrality bill [9:09pm] Joe: I think the next vid is on it. I have been having some trouble with my main pc so the vids were a bit challenging to get. [9:09pm] jokeefe: municipal wifi [9:10pm] jokeefe: not much we can do on the federal level, unfortunately, but can push for state laws as well [9:11pm] Joe: Sadly, I think they will generally push that one down to the local level. But I would be happy to fight for it here in Lowell [9:11pm] Malt: The FCC removed states ability to regulate Muni internet [9:12pm] Malt: I've got the crypto party at the worcshop tomorrow [9:12pm] jokeefe: as long as they cannot prevent it [9:13pm] jokeefe: cool. I plan to make the one in January [9:13pm] Malt: Wait no, next week, NVM [9:13pm] Malt: It's not Jan yet [9:14pm] Malt: Fundraiser idea, sell pirate braned USB sticks with OSS software? [9:14pm] Malt: For a donation [9:14pm] Joe: I did come up with something that I want to do. Do we have a batch of magnets that we can distribute? [9:15pm] Joe: I would also like tee-shirts for a donation as well. [9:16pm] Joe: The lower the cost the easier the donation. [9:16pm] jokeefe: As long as we can verify that USB sticks don’t have viruses, that is fine [9:17pm] Malt: Your friends in the fight for freedom [9:17pm] Malt: The pirate party [9:18pm] Malt: Hah, deliberately loading malware for disgruntled employees to unleash on corporate networks? [9:18pm] Joe: oOo, that reminds me, I have a slogan I wanted to throw at you peoples. [9:18pm] jokeefe: ok [9:18pm] Malt: That's pirating at Max capacity [9:18pm] Joe: I would not recommend that. [9:18pm] Malt: Aw! [9:18pm] Joe: Then we could be held for damages and that whole mess. [9:19pm] Malt: Iirc there's already product s like that, protected from liability [9:20pm] Malt: USB sticks that fry main boards [9:20pm] Malt: Eh, anyway [9:21pm] Joe: Anyways, the slogan I was thinking was...... "Mass Pirates, fighting for a real democracy!" [9:21pm] jokeefe: yeah, not a good idea to fry people’s computers [9:21pm] AndyK: haha [9:22pm] Joe: Or instead of Mass pirates, The Pirate Party. [9:22pm] Joe: Toasted computers make me sad, I break enough of them as it is, lol [9:22pm] jokeefe: heh [9:23pm] Joe: Though I do love a good frankiencomp [9:24pm] Joe: Do we have spare items we could slap on a webpage? [9:24pm] jokeefe: It looks like a good slogan [9:25pm] jokeefe: which spare items? [9:25pm] Joe: Well, to be true to it, we should put it to a vote for the entire party. [9:25pm] Joe: Like shirts, usbs or magnets it would seem. [9:26pm] Joe: Though, as usual, I am open to many possiblities. [9:30pm] Malt: We could do an e waste drive? [9:30pm] Joe: I would be happy to support that. [9:30pm] jokeefe: well, if someone(s) wants to work on it and get something that works, then we can determine how much we can put to expanding it [9:31pm] Malt: That wouldn't cost much to setup, could charge people to come take their junk computers and laptops [9:31pm] jokeefe: where do we put it when we have it? [9:31pm] Malt: Boston metro, where our base is [9:32pm] jokeefe: the ewaste? [9:32pm] Joe: one of the companies I was planning to make was to process that, but there are a few options I could give you as well. [9:32pm] Malt: Seems like y'all would have more e waste sites [9:32pm] Joe: We need one in Lowell, the other guy just shut down. [9:33pm] Malt: It would be a good way to get dead machines for the right to repair graveyard idea I had back in October [9:33pm] jokeefe: I know that Somerville will take it [9:33pm] Joe: It's a tough gig if you don't have the right equipment for the job due to the needed regulations for toxic disposal. [9:33pm] jokeefe: What about other municipalities [9:33pm] jokeefe: ? [9:34pm] Malt: Yeah I think it's usually done in 3rd world countries by child slaves [9:34pm] Malt: But we don't need to tell folks that [9:34pm] Joe: We could look in to the cost to rent a box truck and make sure it goes to a proper disposal facility. [9:35pm] Malt: If we're offering home pickup starting with one town seems smart [9:35pm] Malt: Depending on turnout we might need many drivers [9:36pm] Joe: I can see that growing in to an operation all by itself [9:36pm] Malt: Obvs pickup is for stuff bigger than a phone [9:37pm] Joe: True. Plus a lot of money can be made if done right. [9:37pm] Joe: I was working on such a thing with a chemist in CA [9:37pm] Joe: But got sidetracked with my current company [9:38pm] Malt: I think a "suggested minimum donation" will help cover what it'll cost to get the junk processed [9:38pm] Malt: Be nice if we find a place that'll cut a deal [9:38pm] Joe: It's just a topic I happen to have done quite a bit of research already. I can send over some links if I get my main on soon. [9:38pm] jokeefe: Perhaps start with what do different municipalities do with ewaste. Who takes it. What are the policies. etc. [9:38pm] jokeefe: thanks for the links [9:39pm] Joe: There is one even better, there is a registered list of proper disposal places already. We could just do a public service announcement about them. [9:39pm] Joe: [9:39pm] jokeefe: http://www.electronicstakeback.com/how-to-recycle-electronics/ [9:40pm] jokeefe: PSA is good [9:40pm] Malt: But the goal is to get folks to pay us to move it for them [9:40pm] jokeefe: Esp. "Don’t forget to erase your data” [9:40pm] Joe: Si [9:41pm] Joe: Not everyone keeps a large collection of strong magnets like me! [9:41pm] jokeefe: campaign finance laws make the a bit difficult. We aren’t exactly a business. Would need to form a 501c3. [9:41pm] Malt: Really? It's just a bottle drive, but for computers [9:42pm] Malt: I'm not saying we process it ourselves [9:42pm] jokeefe: That said, I know a guy who rebuilds pcs to donate, so we could talk with him about what he needs and ask for donations [9:42pm] Joe: If we had something that was passive that people could easily grab when it tickled their fancy. Anything else would have to done as a non-profit. [9:42pm] jokeefe: He donates them to people with disabilities. He is part of the right of repair movement [9:42pm] Joe: That sentince almost made sense..... [9:43pm] Malt: That also works [9:43pm] Malt: There's a faith group in worc that used to have a computer lab [9:43pm] Joe: Yes, we could collect a bunch to donate but we have to walk a careful like if we are to be a political party. But I like the idea Malt [9:44pm] jokeefe: So could do a PC donation drive. We advertise that we will be at X between Y and Z to take donated PCs. Then we bring them to him or other places that need them. [9:44pm] Joe: If you are truly interested in this though I would be happy to share some of my notes on the topic and see if you are interested in such things. [9:45pm] jokeefe: Setup a web site for people to sign up. We email them when we can get it or when we will be somewhere near them. [9:45pm] Malt: We can make the name be a joke about plunder [9:45pm] jokeefe: As long as we are only the conduit for the reuse is fine. Don’t want sit on 20 pcs in my basement [9:45pm] Joe: Can we put that to a full party vote as well. I would like to know if the party things this would be something that is worth our time. [9:46pm] jokeefe: aye, plunder be good, arrr [9:46pm] Joe: Yarrrrr [9:46pm] jokeefe: no need to vote, we just do it. [9:46pm] Malt: Make it a spring cleaning deal [9:46pm] Malt: Yeah, conduit [9:46pm] Malt: Not hoarder [9:46pm] jokeefe: spring cleaning gives us time to get things in order [9:47pm] jokeefe: I like it [9:47pm] Joe: If they work, I also have a place in Lowell we can donate them as well. [9:47pm] jokeefe: Jan. find places to take the computers. [9:48pm] jokeefe: Feb. set up the procedures and test web site [9:48pm] jokeefe: Mar. trial run [9:48pm] jokeefe: Apr. put into production [9:48pm] jokeefe: who is lead? [9:49pm] Joe: I vote you lead this! [9:49pm] jokeefe: I vote I don’t lead it. better to distribute leadership [9:49pm] Joe: But it would fall under fund raising so it's prob going to be me.... [9:49pm] jokeefe: Also - https://www.consumerreports.org/recycling/how-to-recycle-electronics/ [9:50pm] Malt: I can setup a request form [9:50pm] Malt: pickup [9:50pm] Joe: Though lots of help would be very much appreicated since that is the start of the busy season with my current company. [9:50pm] jokeefe: could have flyers for cleaning your disks and even classes on such topics during pickup times [9:51pm] jokeefe: Perhaps you could lead with the aim of finding others to take over when it gets busy? [9:51pm] Joe: Actually, have it one week after the fact for each area so it will drive attendance. [9:51pm] Malt: Should we aim for 3 scheduled drop-off locations on the big day? [9:52pm] Joe: Lolz Jamie. That was my plan for my current company and so far I'm still doing everything. [9:52pm] jokeefe: I understand. [9:52pm] Malt: Find 3 places across the city people can come to during set times [9:53pm] jokeefe: Not sure we have the people to do more than one a week [9:53pm] Malt: I was expecting this to take place on a Sunday [9:54pm] jokeefe: Suggest it be in the afternoon [9:54pm] jokeefe: if on Sunday [9:54pm] Joe: I am still planning on doing the Video on Sundays [9:54pm] Malt: I'm thinking this happens once [9:54pm] Joe: So I have to give that the axe if I'm leading it. [9:55pm] Joe: Yeah, but we are making such little progess with the vid, I would like to continue to have time for it planned on that day. Esp if we want to gain a following. [9:55pm] Malt: Ok so Saturday [9:56pm] jokeefe: I can work on the videos. [9:56pm] Joe: We should put that to a vote in the very least. [9:56pm] Joe: I will need you for the next one sir. [9:57pm] Malt: Let's focus on finding donation sites before picking dates [9:57pm] jokeefe: I setup https://piratenpad.de/p/MassPiratesComputerDonations. Let’s work out the details and then we can worry about who leads it [9:58pm] Malt: We're running short on time [9:58pm] jokeefe: When do you want to record the net neutrality video? [9:58pm] Joe: O, I thought we were talking about the Pirate Merch project. [9:58pm] Malt: New year's Eve is busy for me [9:58pm] Joe: If not this Sunday then next. I still need to get the date over to the other gent. [9:59pm] jokeefe: We have some merch at https://www.zazzle.com/MassPirates [9:59pm] jokeefe: Sunday the 6th is fine [10:00pm] Joe: Ok, great, [10:00pm] Joe: It will still have to be close to 7. I will have another room ready to go. [10:01pm] Joe: If we have time, we can do a second on the merch as well. [10:01pm] jokeefe: Sure [10:02pm] Malt: I hope to make it [10:02pm] jokeefe: Well, if we do google hangout, then it should be easier. [10:02pm] Malt: I'll be ready for work when the mucus stops [10:02pm] jokeefe: hope you get well soon [10:02pm] Joe: ^ [10:02pm] jokeefe: what do you want to bring up about merch, Joe? [10:02pm] Malt: I'm sick as hell y'all [10:02pm] Malt: Got the man flu real bad [10:03pm] jokeefe: BTW: I have someone who can make us flags. Will follow up with him. [10:03pm] Malt: I have a flagpole in need of a flag [10:03pm] AndyK: Same [10:03pm] Joe: Ok, we should do USB drives as well, I think they would be popular as well [10:04pm] Joe: as well as well [10:05pm] Malt: Load them with security tutorials [10:07pm] Malt: Sell knowledge and the world assumes you're an expert [10:08pm] Malt: Anything else? [10:08pm] jokeefe: If we can get them cheaply and make sure they don’t infect people, it sounds good to me. [10:08pm] Malt: Dug the new star wars [10:08pm] jokeefe: my son liked it [10:08pm] Joe: We could format them to make sure. [10:09pm] jokeefe: that would help, but I am not sure that would be enough. perhaps Steve or folks on the cryptoparty list have ideas [10:10pm] jokeefe: So it sounds good, but we need to work out the details. [10:10pm] jokeefe: We are over time. Let’s continue discussion on the email list? [10:10pm] Malt: Step one, don't use Alibaba [10:10pm] Malt: Aye [10:11pm] Joe: Aye [10:11pm] jokeefe: lol [10:11pm] jokeefe: aye [10:11pm] jokeefe: thanks you all. have a wonderful night! [10:12pm] jokeefe: Posting minutes at https://masspirates.org/wiki/December_26th,_2017_IRC_Meeting [10:13pm] Joe: You as well. Good night. Hope you feel better Malt, call me when you do.