February 1st, 2016 IRC Meeting
Review & Decisions
Mass. Senate came out with a public records reform bill (S.2120) that is better than the awful House version. Bay State Examiner has a good review in the Weekly Dig.
- Who can write a testimony for the hearing about why we support it?
- Who can speak at it?
Regional Convention & Contacting Members
- bestpiggy is calling Boston
- Lulu is calling Worcester & South
- srevilak, noe, aquaticonions & jokeefe are finding a location for a regional convention North/West of Boston.
- jokeefe will post blog and send email asking for candidates Tuesday
- srevilak merging potential candidates into list, starting calling
- noe not running, jokeefe/noe will encourage others to run in greater-Somerville
- 2/4, 10am, Body Cameras bill hearing, State House, room B-1 - We support it. Who can speak at it/write a statement about it?
- 2/8, 7pm - 8:30pm, Using Intelligent Algorithms to Design Intelligent Algorithms, The Burren, 247 Elm Street, Davis Square, Somerville
- 2/11, 6pm - 8pm, Boston Security Meetup: "Where Security Meets Privacy, Government Surveillance and Web", LogMeIn, 333 Summer St, Boston
- 2/16, 12pm - 1:30pm, Bruce Schneier on "Security and Privacy in the World-Sized Web.", Berkman, 23 Everett Street, Second Floor, Cambridge - RSVP, live stream
- 2/24, 6-9pm, Somerville Cryptoparty
- 3/19-20, LibrePlanet 2016 conference, MIT Stata Center, Cambridge, Edward Snowden is the keynote speaker
- 3/30, 6-9pm, Somerville Cryptoparty
Every Wed., Digital Fourth meeting, 11:20am-1:30pm, Voltage Cafe, Third Street, Cambridge
- jokeefe (James O’Keefe, Somerville)
- srevilak (Steve Revilak, Arlington, MA)
- aquaticonions (Eli Haber, Lexington)
- bestpiggy (olivia píñeyro, boston)
- davidd (David van Deijk, Eindhoven, Netherlands)
- Kendra (Kendra Moyer in Michigan)
Saturday campaign meeting went well. Organized calling and button making.
Body worn cameras. Steve offers to write some testimony for why we support H.2170. https://malegislature.gov/Bills/189/House/H2170. https://malegislature.gov/Bills/189/Senate/S1257. We discuss several aspects of cameras, filming police, and jobs that are routinely done in front of a camera. Text of testimony statement: https://piratenpad.de/p/MAPPH2170Statement
https://piratenpad.de/p/MAPPCandidateRecruitmentSiteText. Draft of next candidate recruitment letter.
21:00 < jokeefe> agenda - https://masspirates.org/wiki/February_1st,_2016_IRC_Meeting 21:00 < davidd> i mean swarmwise is good filosophy 21:01 < davidd> but sometimes you just want a checklist 21:01 < jokeefe> ids - James O’Keefe, Somerville 21:01 < srevilak> Steve Revilak - Arlington, MA 21:01 < davidd> have a good meeting everybody, i have to say goodnight 21:01 < bestpiggy> olivia píñeyro, boston 21:01 < jokeefe> hi aquaticonions & bestpiggy 21:01 < bestpiggy> hey! 21:01 < davidd> David van Deijk, Eindhoven, Netherlands 21:02 < aquaticonions> hola, Eli Haber, Lexington 21:02 < jokeefe> anything anyone wants to add to the agenda? 21:02 < jokeefe> ahoy Kendra 21:02 < jokeefe> agenda - https://masspirates.org/wiki/February_1st,_2016_IRC_Meeting 21:03 < Kendra> Hi All, Kendra Moyer in Michigan 21:04 < srevilak> How did Saturday's meeting go? 21:04 * srevilak asks, while still getting over a cold 21:05 < jokeefe> colds have been pretty awful fo late 21:05 < jokeefe> went well. Lulu, Jason, bestpiggy and me. 21:05 < jokeefe> organized calling and button making 21:06 < Bluestreak> Ahoy 21:06 < jokeefe> ahoy Bluestreak 21:07 < jokeefe> https://masspirates.org/wiki/February_1st,_2016_IRC_Meeting 21:07 < jokeefe> Review & Decisions 21:08 < jokeefe> The Senate has a public records bill that is better than the awful house bill 21:10 < jokeefe> posted a link to the BSExaminer’s take on it 21:11 < jokeefe> Likely to be amended, maybe not for the better 21:11 < srevilak> Andrew and Maya's article was a nice critique 21:12 < jokeefe> Think we should look over the final bill 21:13 < srevilak> https://malegislature.gov/Bills/189/Senate/S2120 21:13 < jokeefe> thanks 21:14 < jokeefe> On Thursday, the 4th at 10am, the Body Cameras bill will have its State House hearing in room B-1 - We support it. 21:14 < jokeefe> Who can write a testimony for the hearing about why we support it? 21:14 < srevilak> https://malegislature.gov/Bills/189/House/H2170 21:15 < srevilak> Bill is 15 pages long. I can put something up on a pirate pad tomorrow night 21:15 < jokeefe> Thanks 21:16 < srevilak> have been reading a CBP report on body camera deployment, so I have some things to reflect on 21:16 < jokeefe> Who can speak at it? 21:16 < Kendra> Is CPB Chicago? 21:16 < srevilak> CBP = Customs and border protection 21:17 < srevilak> Got the Body Worn Camera assessment report from FOIA 21:17 < srevilak> s/the/their/ 21:17 < jokeefe> cool 21:18 < Kendra> Chicago police have been caught allegedly sabotaging the sound on body cameras, which will be a problem 21:18 < srevilak> Yes, that's one of the things you need to figure out before doing a body camera program 21:19 < Kendra> There will be a lot of R&D $$$ spent on trial and error 21:19 < srevilak> How do you deal with officers that mess with devices, or don't follow recording guidelines 21:19 < srevilak> Kendra: yeah, lots of stuff to figure out up front 21:19 < Kendra> It is an ethical issue. I think of the Serpico situtation, he recently said nothing changed since the 70's 21:20 < jokeefe> anyone able to get off work and speak at this hearing? 21:20 * srevilak has prior commitment with electrician 21:21 < jokeefe> anyone else? 21:21 < Bluestreak> Gotta get irradiated. 21:21 < Kendra> Outta state 21:21 < srevilak> :) 21:22 < jokeefe> well, we can email the statement at least 21:22 < jokeefe> Campaigns Status - Regional Convention & Contacting Members 21:22 < Kendra> It woudl probably be more likely to be heard via email, maybe send it early 21:22 < Bluestreak> Got the list and looked it over. Got no voice right now…sick 21:23 < jokeefe> no worries. hope you feel better 21:23 < Bluestreak> ty 21:23 < jokeefe> lists divided up. 21:23 < Kendra> nite lulu 21:24 < jokeefe> will get an email out by Wed. asking for people to call / organize / be candidates. Just too tired to do it tonight. 21:24 < jokeefe> https://piratenpad.de/p/MAPPCandidateRecruitmentSiteText 21:27 < jokeefe> please edit it with what you feel should be in it. 21:27 < jokeefe> brb, srevilak is in charge 21:30 < srevilak> re: regional convention, I've been out of it the last few days, and have some catching up to do. 21:34 < srevilak> Any thoughts on police body cameras? 21:34 < srevilak> (i.e., stuff I can incorporate into testimony) 21:35 < Kendra> I think there will need to be some sort of decentralized data collection center for the collected footage managing quality and access of data 21:36 < Kendra> They will be wriing laws for the next couple hundred years to straighten this out, but there should also be some provision for attempts to weaken the body camera laws through restrictions like Arizona is implementing 21:36 < srevilak> what's Arizona doing? 21:37 < Kendra> Something like you can't film police in less than 20 ft away. I'm not sure about the distance, but it leaves room for a lot of abuse 21:37 < srevilak> Oh I see. 21:37 < aquaticonions> that's problematic 21:38 < Kendra> It provides a loop hole to attack someone filming for being too close 21:38 < srevilak> This is a little different: police wearing body cameras, vs citizens filming police 21:38 < srevilak> Yeah, the bit about "you can't record a police officer w/o their permission" is BS 21:38 < Kendra> Sorry, I was up all night 21:39 < srevilak> Kendra: no worries 21:41 < srevilak> w/police-worn cameras, the corresponding (I guess) issue, is "do the officers turn them on" 21:41 < srevilak> and as Kendra pointed out, do the officers try to disable the cameras 21:41 < srevilak> what about impact to citizen privacy? 21:42 < jokeefe> back 21:44 < Kendra> It is still the same principle or effect of repressing damning evidence on both ends if people are restricted by footage or if police body camaeras are disabled to cover up misconduct. There is mentality of "I will do right as long as I don't get caught on camera" that is disturbing coming from the police, but maybe not surprising 21:45 < srevilak> good point 21:46 < Kendra> A the same time who wants a camera in their face 24/7. I probably wouldn't last at a job that required that. 21:47 < jokeefe> police car cameras turn on automatically under certain circumstances 21:47 < jokeefe> perhaps that is the model 21:48 < srevilak> In some jobs, you can't avoid being on camera. Bank teller, checkout in grocery store 21:49 < aquaticonions> poker dealer 21:49 < jokeefe> :-) 21:49 < Kendra> I worked places like that. This conversation actually reminds me of Blade Runner, 1984, and Minority Report all at once, it is interesting to watch it play out 21:51 < Kendra> Because someone has to sit and review the f At some point we are all watching each other, it's kind of insane 21:51 < Kendra> review the footage 21:51 < Bluestreak> and creepy 21:52 < srevilak> Well, technology is known for making things more efficent, but not necessarily for reducing work :) 21:52 < Kendra> Soylent Green is people 21:53 < jokeefe> created piratepad for bodycams statement https://piratenpad.de/p/MAPPH2170Statement 21:53 < jokeefe> bots could review it 21:54 < srevilak> bots are fine 21:55 < jokeefe> oh what decisions they make ;-) 21:57 < jokeefe> anyhow, we are nearly at time 21:58 < Kendra> Motion to adjourn 21:58 < srevilak> second 21:58 < jokeefe> please think about PirateCon 2016 where and when 21:58 < jokeefe> all in favor? 21:58 < srevilak> aye 21:58 < Kendra> aye 21:58 < bestpiggy> aye 21:58 < srevilak> will post transcript 21:58 < jokeefe> aye 21:58 < aquaticonions> aye 21:59 < jokeefe> thank you, srevilak 21:59 < jokeefe> motion passes 21:59 < jokeefe> have a great night all! 21:59 < jokeefe> thank you