July 11th, 2013 IRC Meeting
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- Events Review
- PirateCon 2013
- No NSA Spying Protests, July 4th
- Cameron D'Ambrosio Fundraiser, Lowell, July 6th, 8pm
- July 9th Legislative Hearing
- PirateCon 2013
- Upcoming Events
- Transparency Toolkit workshop July 13th, 3pm. MIT Media Lab -- 20 Ames Street room 363 (E15-363),
- Art Beat, Somerville, July 19-20th
- Pirate Picnic, George's Island, August 3rd
- Boston Comic Con, August 3-4th
- NH Pride Fest, August 5th
- CryptoParties, ?
- Pirate Night, ?
- Candidate Training, Aug?
- Issue Conference, Sept./Oct.
- Status of endorsement process?
- Sign on to Mass. ACLU's Privacy Agenda?
- National Affairs
- srevilak: Steve Revilak, Arlington
- jokeefe - James O'Keefe, Somerville
- davidd: David van Deijk, Eindhoven, NL
- Kendra Moyer, Arlington, MA
- Bacon, TX
- Igel: William Fleurant, Arlington, MA
- Review of conference. Suggestions for how to improve next year's conference.
- Discussion of upcoming events: Transparency toolkit workshop, cryptoparties, pirate night
- Candidate endorsements. We'd like to ask candidates for statements/videos relating to their positions on the MAPP platform. From those statements, we can make a decision about endorsement.
- We decide to endorse Mass ACLU's privacy agenda, http://aclum.org/privacy_agenda
21:02 <+davidd> ok its time 21:02 <+davidd> so who here went to the piratecon? 21:02 < Igel> cheers 21:03 < Igel> i spoke about meshnet. 21:03 < srevilak> hey Igel 21:03 < srevilak> glad you could join us 21:03 < Igel> whats hood broski. ;] 21:03 < srevilak> here's this evening's agenda: http://masspirates.org/wiki/July_11th,_2013_IRC_Meeting 21:03 < Bacon> srevilak it does 21:03 < Igel> thanks for the heads up.... lots been hapening, 4th n' all.... howd #restore thing go 21:04 < srevilak> Igel: we'll cover restore shortly 21:04 < srevilak> customar introductions 21:04 < srevilak> s/customar/customary/ 21:04 < srevilak> Steve Revilak, Arlington, MA 21:04 <+davidd> David van Deijk, Eindhoven, Netherlands 21:05 < js0000> john saylor waltham MA "watch city" of a byegone era 21:06 < Igel> william fleurant -- arlington, ma 21:06 < Bacon> Is #FICA a concern? 21:07 < srevilak> #FICA? 21:08 <+davidd> he kendra 21:08 < srevilak> hai Kendra 21:08 < Kendra> Greetings 21:08 < Igel> cheerio 21:08 < Bacon> Federal Insurance Contributions Act tax 21:08 < srevilak> Anyone want to give a summary of piratecon 21:09 <+davidd> did it receive any mentions in local media? 21:09 < js0000> rocked 21:09 < js0000> [an exteme summary] 21:09 < Igel> Your search - site:http://masspirates.org/ FICA - did not match any documents. 21:09 < Bacon> FICA? 21:09 < srevilak> davidd: no media summaries that I now of 21:09 < Igel> dunno -- summary, i had fun. 21:10 < Bacon> I was talking to someone in the German Pirate Party 21:10 <+davidd> we'll need to work on that for next events 21:10 < srevilak> we have some videos up: http://masspirates.org/blog/2013/07/03/piratecon-2013-a-success/ 21:11 < srevilak> Bacon: I see, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Insurance_Contributions_Act_tax 21:11 < Kendra> I thought the turn out was very impressive and we had great variation of debate. I don't know about local media. It seems that we did generate some interest on the topic of online data protection. I was pleased overall.. I like events. 21:11 < Igel> 05:03 < srevilak> here's this evening's agenda: http://masspirates.org/wiki/July_11th,_2013_IRC_Meeting 21:12 < srevilak> Had a good number of walk-in registrations. A few said it was their first pirate event 21:12 < Bacon> so that german pirate party member said this to me 21:12 < Bacon> Fisa needs to stop. You need to fight for a second church committee (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_Committee) 10 out of 11 FISA judges are republican. and it's overseen by the supreme court. It should be overseen by congress 21:13 <+davidd> yes fully agree with that but that is not on the agenda right now i think 21:13 < Igel> true; it was kickass J gave me like 5 min past the end of the lightening talks 21:13 <+davidd> srevilak what is the current topic? 21:13 < srevilak> reviewing conference 21:13 < Bacon> sry for going off topic.. 21:13 < srevilak> np 21:13 < Igel> germans have to pay a church tax to be apart of the church (baptised, etc..) 21:13 < Bacon> i have more reported "news" on that topic for later 21:14 < srevilak> According to Captain James, it was the second pirate conference in the US 21:14 < Igel> i think its taken out of their paychecks. 21:14 < js0000> conf wifi worked, i was happy about that 21:14 <+davidd> so Igel you were a speaker at the piratecon? 21:14 < puddle> Imo anything fisa does that will effect US citizens or Europeans should at least be partially disclosed 21:14 <+davidd> did they treat you ok? 21:14 < Igel> <-- spoke about projectmeshnet -- fund.meshwith.me i pitched conveiently after the croud sourcing 21:15 <+davidd> any possible improvements that could be made to make it easier for the speakers? 21:15 < js0000> slightly raised stage? 21:15 < puddle> Like say, publish something saying "prism, monitoring program - may effect US, EU citizens." 21:15 < Igel> dunno i wouldnt say that -- may be the camera was blah (personally) 21:15 < srevilak> Desktop mic stands would have helped 21:16 <+davidd> blah? 21:16 < srevilak> And more extension cords 21:16 < Kendra> I got very positive feedback from people I invited. They were very impressed with the subject matter. 21:16 < js0000> any thought to broadcasting video out to another screen somewhere? 21:17 < js0000> also, to echo kendra, speaking was pretty good throughout 21:17 <+davidd> so how did the debate part go? 21:17 < Igel> well yea, 'it wasent my best angle' 21:17 <@illunatic> boosh 21:17 <@illunatic> hi 21:17 <@srevilak> hi illunatic 21:17 < Igel> me? 21:18 <@srevilak> davidd: most of the conference was debates and panels 21:18 <@srevilak> Felt like we had good discussion going 21:18 <+davidd> yes well i only saw talks posted 21:18 < Igel> i wanted to recruit for projectmeshnet , cjdns and to organize a tight group of individuals within the party -- or help with somthing more important 21:19 <+davidd> did you get any takers Igel? 21:19 <@srevilak> We should have had more swag 21:19 < Kendra> After going to the allied Media Conference, i would suggest that our future conferences offer a work station where someone can share knowledge about methods to protect data. Not huge, but something interactive. 21:19 <+davidd> did swag got sold out? 21:19 <@srevilak> half of it 21:19 < Igel> yes 21:19 < Bacon> Kendra I like that! 21:20 < Kendra> Stickers. I wanted a stickers with the pirate skull on it. Maybe next time. 21:20 < Igel> yeah davidd i spoke with serval people throughout the community 21:20 < Shidash> More group discussions would also be nice. The speakers were great, but it would be helpful to have more time to talk with the other attendees 21:20 < Igel> but developing a pirate router is different 21:20 <+davidd> well a dutch pirate went and did the following thing by himself, and you could too: 21:20 < Bacon> setting up a "debate arena" is something we are wanting to do at the TXPP 21:20 < Igel> a, pirate-party router/network. 21:21 <+davidd> he ordered lighters with piratelogo's on them 21:21 <+davidd> 20 boxes for like $150 or something 21:21 < Igel> its going to link anyone/anywhere to this pirate-irc chat, the pirate-wiki, the pirate-* 21:21 <+davidd> he sold boxes to pirates for $10 21:21 <@srevilak> Bacon: what's a debate arena? 21:21 <@srevilak> I suppose we need a swag committee :) 21:21 <+davidd> so each pirate could spread lighters among his friends 21:21 < Bacon> just a place where people can debate ideas out 21:22 < Bacon> there would be regulations 21:22 < Igel> who debated? 21:22 < js0000> i just think a few rooms would be good 21:22 < js0000> nothing too big, just a table 21:22 < js0000> to facilitate informal discussions 21:22 <@srevilak> these are all good ideas for next year 21:22 < Igel> what other videos are up there, am i on there? 21:23 <+davidd> so was any internal plans for masspirates discussed? 21:23 <@srevilak> We have one fellow running for state legisature 21:23 < Igel> who are you asking/about what topic? 21:23 < Bacon> Nice! 21:24 <@srevilak> Captain james is wants to organize candidate training workshops later this year 21:24 <@srevilak> Run people for office in 2014. 21:24 < Bacon> I got an in with a Texas Senator he is talking about putting us on a board of advisers. 21:24 < Bacon> Dealing with Crowd Source Legislation 21:24 <@srevilak> Bacon: nice 21:24 <+davidd> nice bacon 21:25 < Igel> what can we do to help 21:25 <@srevilak> anything else on conference, or shall we move on to July 4th? 21:26 < Kendra> Last quick comment on Piratecon (from me). We had a good turnout given the proximity to the Fouth and the holiday season I say we should all give ourselves a hand. We deserve it. Also, I am not sure who Bacon is. 21:26 <@srevilak> Kendra: Bacon is from TX pirate party 21:26 <@illunatic> we have a pirate party? 21:26 < Kendra> Thanks. Great name. 21:26 <@illunatic> Kendra: are you in austin? 21:27 < Kendra> No, I'm in Arlington, I guess we forgot the check in at the beginning. 21:27 < Kendra> Massachusetts 21:27 <@srevilak> 9:26 and plenty of agenda to work through 21:27 < js0000> kendra: no you just missed it ... 21:27 <+davidd> hi jokeefe 21:27 <@srevilak> any reports from the other events? 21:27 <@illunatic> my gf is from Arlington, tx 21:27 < jokeefe> here, but not. kid. back soon 21:29 <@srevilak> July 4th #RestoreTheFourth had a good turnout. NSA surveillance really seems to resonate with people 21:29 < Bacon> we need to make sure it grows!!! 21:29 <@srevilak> Anyone go do Tuesday's Senate hearings, or last Saturday's fundraiser? 21:29 < Bacon> each time 21:31 <@srevilak> On to upcoming events? 21:31 < Igel> heh 21:31 < Igel> ppl make any argument like, they dont listen to your phone calls blah blah they dont have the time or power to do that.. 21:32 <@srevilak> Shidash: there was an event you wanted to add to agenda? 21:32 < Igel> i say, dont you have the ability to -almost- do that on your Shazam app? 21:32 < Kendra> I went to the State House this week for the renewal of the Mass Wiretap Act hearing amongst others with Jamie. There was a full house and the rational being forwarded for renewiing the legislature is that organized crime is more loosely organized and that pot dealers are so violent that they havbe to spy on eveeryone. they also say that Massachusetts only wiretapped 17 people in all of last year. Which i don't 21:32 < Bacon> more crypto parties! 21:33 <@srevilak> Kendra: yes, heard the hearings were so packed that they had to move to a larger room 21:33 < Shidash> srevilak: Yes, This Saturday I'm holding a discussion/workshop for people interested in Transparency Toolkit 21:33 <@srevilak> where and when? 21:33 < Bacon> Can you make a video? 21:33 < Bacon> That would be soooo cool 21:34 < Shidash> It is Saturday 3-5 pm at the MIT Media Lab in room 363. There is more info at https://www.facebook.com/events/181137915397006/ 21:34 < Shidash> This is what I gave my lightning talk on at Piratecon 21:34 < kit> Hi, I was at the Committee hearing, too. I think it went quite well. I would guess that they'll report favorably on the Electronic Privacy Act, but I'm not sure what will happen with the wiretap expansion 21:34 < Shidash> Also if anyone knows of anyone else who may be interested, it would be awesome if you could invite them 21:34 < Igel> Shidash: ah no shit thats like where blu meets> 21:35 < Igel> ?? 21:35 <@srevilak> thx Shidash 21:35 < Bacon> have you guys started targeting university students? 21:35 < Shidash> lgel: Yeah, if you are talking about the person I think you are 21:35 < Igel> i think i just friended you on twitter 21:36 <@srevilak> Bacon: not specifically, but 6, 7 are related 21:36 < Bacon> What do you mean 6, 7 are related? 21:36 <@srevilak> Bacon: Event items 6, 7 on agenda 21:36 < Igel> yea i did Shidash -- did i see you near davis yesterday?? 21:36 < Shidash> lgel: I don't think so? 21:36 < Bacon> ty 21:37 < Igel> walkin down the street i did a doubletake from the bus heh 21:37 < Igel> im like wtf.. ehh heh.. 21:37 <@srevilak> Blue and Bluestreak are organizing George's Island 21:38 <@srevilak> Anyone have background on Boston Comic con, NH Pride fest? 21:40 < Igel> hey Shidash i was talking on the projmeshnet + cjdns -- building a framework to bootstrap vps/routers with pirate-wiki, pirate-irc, pirate-blog, etc.. 21:40 < Bacon> bootstrap <3 21:40 <@srevilak> On mailing list, we've started discussing holding monthly Cryptoparties 21:40 < Igel> so i sent you a request on twitter the other day -- off topic 21:41 <@srevilak> Igel: at one of cryptoparties, could you do a workshop on meshnet? 21:41 < Kendra> Comic Con? August 3-4 at Hynes. That seems like a good opportunity to play dress up and recruit. 21:41 < Shidash> lgel: what is your username on Twitter? 21:41 < Bacon> lol 21:41 < Bacon> Totally 21:41 <@srevilak> Kendra: that could be fun 21:42 < Igel> for sure, im all heart for cjdns.. heh 21:42 <@srevilak> Igel: ok, thx 21:42 < Igel> Shidash: william fleurant 21:42 < Shidash> lgel: I followed you. We should talk more later 21:43 < Igel> cheers, lets.. ill hit the email list, etc.. no facebook here sorr i cant see the event. 21:43 < Igel> did anyone make it to lowell???? 21:43 < Shidash> lgel: Okay, you can email me at email@example.com or IM me at firstname.lastname@example.org 21:44 < Igel> alright -- i think email@example.com should work 21:44 < Igel> or will@projec... 21:44 < Igel> i have it written down somehwer... are we off topic 21:45 <+davidd> will prism still work on projectmeshnet /kidding 21:45 <@srevilak> Pirate Night - I think black_van is looking into that, but needs to wait until his schedule opens up 21:46 <@srevilak> anyone else interested in organizing pirate nights? 21:46 < Igel> it takes the power away from the carrier (comcast/verizon/navy) and brings it to the person running the hardware -- so uless you are working for prism 21:47 < jokeefe> back 21:47 < Igel> the power, being censorship and false-privacy 21:47 < jokeefe> black_van was organizing the pirate nights 21:47 <@srevilak> hi jokeefe 21:47 < jokeefe> but he is busy this month 21:47 < Igel> ill bring the german beer. 21:47 < jokeefe> pirate lunch or just go with the picnic as the monthly social event? 21:48 < Igel> heh... jk, german and belgium 21:48 < Bacon> oh did you guys hear about utah? 21:48 < Kendra> What would pirate night involve? Obviously, excluding the rum. If it is as simple as scheduling a spot that could be arranged, thoug I avoid Facebook. 21:48 < Igel> the pork industry? 21:48 < js0000> i also avoid facebook 21:48 < Kendra> What happened in Utah? 21:49 < jokeefe> pick a restaurant, pick a discussion topic, pick a date 21:49 <@srevilak> Kendra: I think dinner, or similar meeting in public place. Eat drink, and discuss pirate stuff 21:49 < Bacon> http://rt.com/usa/utah-isp-surveillance-state-corporations-925/ 21:50 < Bacon> also 21:50 < Bacon> this is cool too http://blog.okfn.org/2013/07/11/using-public-data-to-flag-tax-avoidance-schemes/ 21:50 < Igel> aah Xmission, an independent company based out of one office in Salt Lake City, Utah, has spent nearly two decades protecting its customers’ privacy as the National Security Agency, Department of Justice, and prosecutors have ramped up pressure on internet service providers (ISPs). 21:50 < Kendra> OK, I do a lot of that already. And as for Utah, if you mena the data center,I reported on this on my radio program way back last year and it was not big news in the media. James Bamford reports a lot on that. 21:50 < Igel> i used to have a bunch of servers with them 21:51 <@srevilak> Bacon: thx, kudos to xmission 21:52 < Igel> oh hey 21:52 < Igel> i wanted to ask everyone if they were interested in beta-testing a cjdns (cjdpirate) router 21:53 < Igel> it will squash any spying -- not just NSA, but ISP spying.. which i think is worse 21:53 < jokeefe> srevilak, I'll take the conn 21:53 < Igel> cause they sell it too... and experiment with it.. etc.. 21:53 <@srevilak> jokeefe: ok 21:53 < jokeefe> put the Candidate Training, Aug? / Issue Conference, Sept./Oct. as place holders. 21:54 < jokeefe> Kendra, what is the status of the endorsement process? getting requests from reps. of Boston City Council candidate 21:56 < Kendra> I do not have a good answer. I went to SA last night and got into one of those heated Left wing debates and forgot to ask. But I can email Tim. As far as I know we are just interviewing Seamus. I thought we were avoiding direct endorsements to put more emphasis on our own candidate. Quick question. If I were to arrange a Pirate Night, what location best suits everyone.? What would be most accessible/centrl b 21:58 < jokeefe> Well Joe isn't running til 2014 so we have time to endorse if we want 22:00 < jokeefe> Please email Tim, because they want to know. As long as we can say why we endorsed and candidate, that works. 22:00 < jokeefe> Opinions from folks? Endorse on key points of agreements? 22:01 < Kendra> are we in agreement that we will endorse Seamus Whelan for City Council? I just emailed them to schedule the interview, but I can send and update with our endorsement. Do we need to vote? 22:02 <@srevilak> I liked Seamus' pledge to accept salary equal to average wage in his district. IMHO, that's a good "people first" effort 22:02 < Kendra> If it's not that big a deal I can send a message that we are endorsinghis candidacy right now. 22:02 < Kendra> All in favor? 22:03 < jokeefe> not comfortable with that. 22:03 < Kendra> OK how should we proceed? 22:03 < jokeefe> we cannot endorse without at least hearing from the candidate 22:03 < Kendra> OK, so lets get the interview out of the way and go from there. 22:03 < js0000> maybe put an item on one of these IRC meetings ... 22:03 < jokeefe> what are our criteria for endorsement? 22:04 < js0000> i don't think they exist 22:04 < Kendra> I will see what they are asking for and send it to the list if that works, I am not sure myself. 22:04 < js0000> i haven't seen them 22:04 <@srevilak> Our platform is Open Govt, Open Innovation, Open Culture, and People First 22:04 < jokeefe> right 22:04 <@srevilak> IMHO, I'd like to see alignment on two, preferably three of those points 22:05 < jokeefe> I would like four. ;-) 22:05 < js0000> if you can match those items with seamus positions, that can be part of endorsement 22:05 <@srevilak> I think we've got "people first"; that leaves three to go 22:06 < Kendra> They have a pro-labor platform and are basically Marxist. I would prefer to discuss my personal observations of the group in person. I will send a short version of our platform to them as well. 22:06 < jokeefe> great 22:06 < jokeefe> how about, they have to issue a statement/video on what of these four issues they support and how they would implement them. then we put the statement out, get feedback over a week, then vote? 22:07 < js0000> good for me 22:07 <@srevilak> jokeefe: that sounds reasonable to me 22:08 < jokeefe> have 2nds. all in favor of giving them our positions, and asking them to issue a statement/video on what of these four issues they support and how they would implement them. then we put the statement out, get feedback over a week, then vote? 22:08 < js0000> 2nd 22:09 < jokeefe> going once 22:10 < jokeefe> going twice 22:10 < Kendra> I just emailed the PP platform to Seamus and Tim asking for some clarification as to our common goals. 22:11 < Kendra> I second this as well. 22:11 < jokeefe> any opposed? 22:12 < jokeefe> passed - moving on 22:12 < jokeefe> Sign on to Mass. ACLU's Privacy Agenda - http://aclum.org/privacy_agenda ? 22:13 < jokeefe> Sign on, look at it more, … ? 22:13 < js0000> i looked at this and liked it, especially password protection act 22:13 < js0000> definitely moving toward more open government 22:14 < js0000> given that i don't know if they can move too much more closed ... 22:14 < jokeefe> I don't see anything we would oppose 22:14 <@srevilak> I read about platform a while back, in ACLU newsletter. I support 22:14 < jokeefe> any concerns? 22:15 < Kendra> I would sign this. It seems broad but nothing to lose. Drastic times. 22:15 < js0000> yes, very broad but good to build coalition ... 22:16 < jokeefe> any opposed? 22:16 < jokeefe> js0000, srevilak, Kendra, jokeefe for 22:17 < jokeefe> none opposed 22:17 < jokeefe> motion passes. 22:17 < js0000> jokeefe: now i see why you're captian ... haha 22:17 < jokeefe> Bluelustreak not here, so no national party report 22:17 < jokeefe> anything else on the agenda? 22:18 <@srevilak> I have brief non-agenda item 22:18 < jokeefe> kewl 22:18 < js0000> not that i can see ... 22:18 <@srevilak> Quartermaster reports are due Jul 22nd. 22:18 <@srevilak> I'll attempt to put together a prelim report this weekend, 22:18 <@srevilak> so we can review before submission 22:18 < Igel> privacy -- and notification or full disclosure 22:19 <@srevilak> I'll also be asking folks to list any in-kind contributions they've made 22:19 < Kendra> Last question, is anyone going to the event at MIT with Shidash/ 22:19 <@srevilak> I have a prior commitment :( 22:19 < jokeefe> I will help on the report, srevilak 22:20 <@srevilak> thx jokeefe 22:20 < jokeefe> will email you 22:20 < Kendra> i do too, but might split my time. 22:20 < Kendra> It that about it? 22:20 < jokeefe> I am hoping to make Shidash's event. Will spread the word. 22:20 < js0000> 20 minutes over 22:21 < jokeefe> srevilak, would you update the wiki with the chat log? 22:21 <@srevilak> jokeefe: will do 22:21 < jokeefe> thank you kindly 22:21 <@srevilak> also: OCPF got our update. http://ocpf.cloudapp.net/Filers?q=Pirate&cat=P 22:21 < Igel> ughk germany has an active domestic drone program 22:22 < jokeefe> thanks, srevilak. more to do on that front 22:22 < jokeefe> lgel, gotta link? 22:22 < Kendra> OK thanks everyone and Good night. 22:23 < jokeefe> good night , Kendra 22:23 < jokeefe> thank you all