July 19th, 2012 IRC Meeting

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No agenda set in advance

Quick Notes / Summaries Re Proposed Bills to be Discussed:



  • jokeefe - James O'Keefe, Somerville
  • mildbeard - Erik Zoltan, Framingham
  • SplendidSpoon - Lauren P, Cambridge/Boxboro


  • [bsod]
  • illunatic
  • brandon
  • Brendan
  • passtab
  • strider


1. National Party News & Pirate Picnic

Constitution up for a vote next weekend. Please put any comments up at:


And tell mildbeard your feedback.

2. Hope 9

  • Lots of people were very interested in Pirate Parties and took flyers and hopefully maybe more states will form.
  • SplendidSpoon got lots of attention with her costume and it was very worth going
  • We helped raise ~$7000 for Bradley Manning & David House released his grand jury transcript
  • SplendidSpoon met a Berlin Pirate
  • Need to continue to work with other groups on privacy/surveillance and other issues.

Meeting Minutes


[12:03] <@jokeefe> hi mildbeard [12:04] <+mildbeard> ahoy [12:07] <+mildbeard> just been working on lunch - salami and cheese with mustard, and a side of espresso :). [12:08] <@jokeefe> i am sure the espresso is needed [12:08] <+mildbeard> always [12:08] <@jokeefe> finished mine, but work keeps me busy [12:09] <+mildbeard> work? hardly have time for the stuff... [12:09] <@jokeefe> I really don't have an agenda today, unfortunately. Still trying to get liquid feedback's email working. [12:10] <+mildbeard> I have one item. [12:10] <+mildbeard> The PNC will hopefully make a final vote on the constitution next week. [12:10] <+mildbeard> Last night we seem to have gotten past all objections so we're ready for ratification next time. [12:11] <+mildbeard> I was hoping that the Mass Pirate Party could vote to ratify or approve the constitution, even though there's really no formal process for doing it. [12:11] <+mildbeard> Since they will approve on Wed and we meet on Thu, I was hoping we could be the first state to approve it. [12:12] <@jokeefe> sounds fine [12:12] <@jokeefe> would you send out the link? [12:12] <+mildbeard> sure [12:13] == SplendidSpoon [~SplendidS@38.111.ly.vgu] has joined #masspirates [12:13] == mode/#masspirates [+o SplendidSpoon] by [4Q] [12:13] == mode/#masspirates [+v SplendidSpoon] by [4Q] [12:13] <@SplendidSpoon> Sorry I'm late [12:13] == mode/#masspirates [+l 18] by [4Q] [12:13] <+mildbeard> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1x1ci9G4fv3pqksGVTO5T-Soez2GZB95wrIvGdbnvNqs/edit [12:13] <+mildbeard> Did you want an email? [12:14] <@SplendidSpoon> Me? [12:16] <@jokeefe> hi SplendidSpoon [12:16] <@jokeefe> proposed nat constution [12:16] <@jokeefe> at the link mildbeard sent [12:16] <@SplendidSpoon> Oh yes [12:16] <+mildbeard> sorry I was asking Jamie - he asked for a link. [12:16] <@SplendidSpoon> oh I see [12:19] <@jokeefe> mildbeard would like us to review and approve it [12:20] <@SplendidSpoon> ok [12:21] <@jokeefe> I put in a few minor comments. [12:21] <@jokeefe> I guess for me the probationary state is the most problematic [12:22] <@jokeefe> what with the recent email by one rep. and what has happened with OK [12:22] <@jokeefe> BTW, SplendidSpoon, I don't have an agenda. been too busy. that we lost power last night didn't help [12:22] <@jokeefe> :-) [12:23] <@jokeefe> however, an update on HOPE 9 would be great! [12:23] <@SplendidSpoon> We raised ~$7000 for Bradley Manning! [12:23] <@jokeefe> cool! [12:23] <@SplendidSpoon> I met a Berlin Pirate who was happy to meet me! [12:24] <@SplendidSpoon> David released his grand jury transcript [12:24] <@SplendidSpoon> Lots of people were very interested in Pirate Parties and took flyers and hopefully maybe more states will form [12:24] <+mildbeard> yay [12:24] <@SplendidSpoon> I got lots of attention in my costume and it was very worth going [12:25] <@SplendidSpoon> We need to stay united and strong on these issues of government harrassing people for fighting for freedom, obviously. [12:25] <@jokeefe> aye!!!! [12:25] <@SplendidSpoon> I got a lot of...perspective. [12:26] <@SplendidSpoon> Pirate Party is important and a good thing, but these issues are huge and we need to stand with other people with the same goals. Shits getting real. [12:27] <+mildbeard> yeah, a lot of people are concerned about many of the same issues we care about. [12:27] <@SplendidSpoon> LOL Vermin Supreme announced a million meme march on Washington [12:27] <@SplendidSpoon> I don't know the exact date but I think a Pirate contingent would be epic :) [12:28] <@jokeefe> did you see about the http://internetdefenseleague.org/ [12:29] <+mildbeard> jokeefe, I am not seeing a comment from you on the probationary states section of the constitution? [12:30] <@SplendidSpoon> jokeefe you gonna join the league? [12:30] <@SplendidSpoon> I need to make a tumblr [12:33] <@jokeefe> I signed up. I already get the same email from FFTF & DemandProgress, so what is one more [12:33] <+feedbot> [Twitter] masspirates: Mass. House Passes [Violent Crime] Three-Strikes Bill - http://t.co/805n4mYT - http://twitter.com/masspirates/statuses/225990906933825536 [12:33] <@SplendidSpoon> cool [12:33] <@jokeefe> its that sticking together thing [12:33] == grabbyninja has changed nick to max_CAPP [12:33] <@SplendidSpoon> :D [12:35] <@jokeefe> mildbeard, yes, I haven't commented on probationary state since I only recently became concerned about it [12:36] <@jokeefe> when we dissolved the old PPUS, the plan was to have a new one that allowed the states to talk amongst themselves, but this seems to be more [12:36] <@jokeefe> involved [12:37] <@jokeefe> it was to be inclusive [12:37] <@jokeefe> probationary state seems exclusive [12:37] <@jokeefe> that said, problematic if a state party has only one or a few people. [12:38] <+mildbeard> A party of one can be an observer state but not a full PNC member state on an equal footing with Massachusetts or California. The probationary clause gives them an intermediate stage if they are a full PNC member but they've fallen apart. [12:39] <+mildbeard> The language in that section was voted on by the PNC but we're definitely open to any critique or specific changes you'd like to advocate. [12:40] <+mildbeard> So a party of one like Michigan has a half vote on the PNC whereas Massachusetts has a full vote. [12:40] <+mildbeard> BTW, Wisconsin was approved as a full member state by the PNC last night. They are just getting started and they are rising fast. [12:41] <@jokeefe> good [12:43] <@jokeefe> are meeting minutes going up anywhere? [12:43] <+mildbeard> yeah, in the usual place. I haven't heard that they're up yet. [12:44] <@jokeefe> usual place being? [12:45] <+mildbeard> I think they post them in a piratepad or something, with the meeting date in the URL. [12:45] <+mildbeard> I am not sure but I think they're on the wiki too. Hold on a sec. [12:45] <+mildbeard> http://www.pirate-party.us/wiki/Main_Page [12:45] <+mildbeard> All the meeting minutes have a link on the wiki. [12:46] <@jokeefe> good [12:51] <+mildbeard> I have to step away now to get ready for a meeting - are we all set? [12:53] <@jokeefe> pretty much, working with BFI on the picnic [13:00] <+mildbeard> OK have a great one!