November 22nd, 2012 Informal IRC Meeting

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Agenda

Open discussion post In-Person meeting on the 11th.

Quick Notes / Summaries Re Proposed Bills to be Discussed:

Participants

  • SplendidSpoon - Lauren Pespisa, Boxboro/Cambridge
  • srevilak - Steve Revilak
  • jokeefe - James O'Keefe, Somerville
  • Lucia - Lucia Fiero
  • mildbeard - Erik Zoltan, Framingham
  • bsod -

Observers:

  • passstab - from PA
  • sharp -
  • zby_home -
  • davidd - David van Deijk, from PP Netherlands
  • ageis
  • cmal

Summary

Meeting Minutes

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[12:00] <@jokeefe> hi folks [12:00] == mode/#masspirates [+l 17] by [4Q] [12:00] <+srevilak> howdy [12:03] <@SplendidSpoon> Hey [12:04] <+srevilak> hey SplendidSpoon [12:04] == mildbeard [~erixoltan@hknv-28-026-620-99.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #masspirates [12:04] == mode/#masspirates [+o mildbeard] by [4Q] [12:04] == mode/#masspirates [+v mildbeard] by [4Q] [12:04] <@mildbeard> Good morning Vietnam.... [12:04] == mode/#masspirates [+l 18] by [4Q] [12:04] <@jokeefe> hi srevilak, SplendidSpoon, mildbeard [12:05] <@jokeefe> I would very much appreciate it if folks would fill out the poll for the dec . meeting- http://doodle.com/txgghg5epuwucddx [12:06] <@mildbeard> OK will do it now. [12:06] <@jokeefe> thanks [12:06] <@jokeefe> Lucia offered to host instead of me. Anyone else interested? [12:06] <@mildbeard> My wife Melanie says it would be OK for us to host. If nobody minds driving to Framingham. We don't have a dog :P. [12:09] <+srevilak> I could probably host. As long as no-one minds lolcats [12:09] <@mildbeard> I filled out the poll. [12:12] <@jokeefe> thanks. [12:12] <@jokeefe> Framingham is probably easier to get to than REDACTED [12:12] <@jokeefe> I am happy to give folks rides [12:15] <@mildbeard> That sounds good. Anyone can bring friends and family members. [12:15] <@mildbeard> There is a train station and I'm happy to ferry any one back and forth from it. [12:19] <@jokeefe> Lucia said she could drop in to the IRC. [12:19] <@jokeefe> guess item #1 is picking the location / date of the next meeting [12:20] == Lucia [webchat@ysdb-500-60-09-62.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #masspirates [12:20] == mode/#masspirates [+o Lucia] by [4Q] [12:20] == mode/#masspirates [+v Lucia] by [4Q] [12:20] == mode/#masspirates [+l 19] by [4Q] [12:21] <@mildbeard> Hi Lucia! [12:21] <@Lucia> Hi... Who is mildbeard? [12:21] <@mildbeard> Erik Zoltan [12:21] <@Lucia> Sry if that is rude [12:21] <@Lucia> But you dont have a beard [12:21] <@Lucia> lol [12:22] <@jokeefe> hi, Lucia [12:22] <@Lucia> Hi Erik [12:22] <@mildbeard> My son Ben told me that should be my pirate nickname, and it just stuck. I often go long periods without shaving. [12:22] <@Lucia> LOL I like that [12:23] <@Lucia> Sry I'm late. [12:25] <@Lucia> What are we discussing? [12:26] <@mildbeard> Time and location of next meeting. I was just offering Framingham (no dogs). There's a doodle poll http://doodle.com/txgghg5epuwucddx about the time. [12:28] <@Lucia> Oh, OK. If it will be there I don't have to check with Jason. I asked about our house in January and he said that should be OK. I will fill it out now assuming it will be at Erik's. [12:29] <@jokeefe> So Erik's it is then. [12:29] <+srevilak> ok by me [12:29] == [bsod] [~bsod@xx.pirate] has joined #masspirates [12:29] == mode/#masspirates [+o [bsod]] by [4Q] [12:29] == mode/#masspirates [+v [bsod]] by [4Q] [12:29] <@[bsod]> has it been a week already? [12:29] == mode/#masspirates [+l 20] by [4Q] [12:29] <@mildbeard> We can always use another site for January. [12:30] <@jokeefe> hi bsod, I put the in-person meeting minutes up at http://masspirates.org/wiki/index.php?title=November_11th,_2012_In-Person_Meeting, but haven't cleaned them up [12:30] <@jokeefe> sure, mildbeard [12:30] <@mildbeard> I won't know what Melanie thinks until after the Dec meeting :D. [12:30] <+feedbot> [Twitter] masspirates: Some good news - Cybersecurity Bill Fails To Move Forward In The Senate (Again) http://t.co/XPgFV6oy - http://twitter.com/masspirates/statuses/269130164259131394 [12:30] <@Lucia> I was just talking with Jason about this and I said that perhaps we could cycle through other Pirate's homes for meetings, and leave the O'Keefe's out of rotation for a while. You guys have held it enough already. [12:30] <@jokeefe> fine with me [12:31] <@[bsod]> heh, the in person meeting happened already ? [12:31] <@jokeefe> any preferences to start times of 2 or 4pm? [12:31] <@Lucia> Your wife's name is Melanie, too? [12:31] <@mildbeard> yep [12:31] <@Lucia> Cool. [12:31] <@[bsod]> should i make any of these people ops in here, since everyones here now [12:32] <@Lucia> ops? [12:32] <@jokeefe> fine if srevilak & Lucia are both ops [12:32] <@[bsod]> Lucia already is [12:32] <@jokeefe> right [12:33] <@[bsod]> holds please [12:33] == mode/#masspirates [+o srevilak] by [4Q] [12:33] <@[bsod]> should be allset [12:34] * mildbeard slaps forehead and shouts "DOH!" [12:34] <@mildbeard> I just got the name [4Q]... [12:34] <@[bsod]> off topic from the meeting, my grandfather died late last night, i have a wake and a funeral this weekend, in maine... and i have nothing approporate for my daughter to wear! [12:34] <@Lucia> I still don't get it. [12:34] <@mildbeard> I'm so sorry to hear that. [12:34] <@[bsod]> but we do have new tires so it should be ok [12:35] <@[bsod]> thanks mildbeard [12:35] <@Lucia> Sorry for your loss. [12:35] <@[bsod]> and Lucia [12:35] <@[bsod]> greif hits in strange waves, when i get busy it lands in the back of my mind [12:36] <@Lucia> I hear ya [12:36] <@[bsod]> gonna drive back saturday to go to work overnight straight away after the funeral after having not slept.. so expect me to be missing the whole weekend as i plan to sleep through all of sunday [12:36] <@[bsod]> lol [12:36] <@[bsod]> or be drunk [12:37] <@[bsod]> how are you guys all doing [12:37] <@Lucia> Hopefully the drnking will lead to sleeping [12:37] <@[bsod]> thats the plan [12:37] <@srevilak> bsod: sorry to hear the bad news [12:37] <@[bsod]> thanks man [12:37] <@SplendidSpoon> I'm meeting with State Rep Jen Benson today [12:37] <@Lucia> Things are good in REDACTED [12:37] <@Lucia> OOOH! [12:37] <@SplendidSpoon> Yea [12:37] <@SplendidSpoon> She's cosponsering a pro-privacy bill [12:38] <@SplendidSpoon> but also another bill that increases surveillance [12:38] <@[bsod]> that would be cool [12:38] <@[bsod]> or not [12:38] <@SplendidSpoon> So we need to get her head straight [12:38] <@Lucia> Excellent [12:38] <@srevilak> SplendidSpoon: do you know the bill #'s? [12:38] <@[bsod]> reporting on state bills is spotty isnt it [12:38] <@SplendidSpoon> http://www.malegislature.gov/Bills/BillHtml/11358?generalCourtId=1 [12:39] <@[bsod]> my local news reports whats going on in the world [12:39] <@srevilak> SplendidSpoon: bingo, thanks [12:39] <@SplendidSpoon> and the one that has surveillance snuck into it is "Act Against Economic Crimes" [12:39] <@Lucia> You have to be very proactive to know what they are up to on Beacon Hill [12:39] <@SplendidSpoon> Yea [12:40] <@[bsod]> indeed [12:40] <@SplendidSpoon> They can pass a million bills and do nothing at the same time [12:40] <@SplendidSpoon> because they cancel each other out [12:40] <@srevilak> And because they're (ahem) exempt from portions of open mtng laws [12:40] <@[bsod]> i abstained from voting for many state level peoples because i didnt know enough about them or their oponents [12:41] <@jokeefe> many condolences bsod. [12:41] <@[bsod]> thanks man [12:42] <@[bsod]> lot to do, i have to rush dry cleaning, get a hair cut, will probably be the last time ever seeing the whole family together in one place and those pictures will last forever [12:42] <@Lucia> Don't forget your camera [12:42] <@SplendidSpoon> oh [bsod] Im sorry [12:42] <@[bsod]> think so? [12:42] <@SplendidSpoon> I'm multitasking obviously [12:42] <@[bsod]> i haddent even considered bringing a camera [12:42] <@[bsod]> no worries SplendidSpoon [12:42] <@[bsod]> everyone is multitasking in here [12:43] <@SplendidSpoon> My good friend lost her Mum this weekend, it's been a pretty rough week for everyone I guess [12:43] <@Lucia> I switched coats at the last minute and missed getting pics of my kid in her play [12:43] <@[bsod]> i didnt have a real dad, so my grandfather took the role [12:43] <@Lucia> Oh man! [12:43] <@[bsod]> intresting times [12:43] <@Lucia> That must be really hard for you [12:44] <@[bsod]> and now im freaking out about buying a second car because my saftey net just went away [12:44] <@[bsod]> heh [12:44] <@[bsod]> a new stage of life, live independantly [12:44] <@Lucia> Did he... leave you anything? Mercenary of me, IK [12:44] <@[bsod]> got 3 days off from work though [12:44] <@[bsod]> im wondering about that also, dunno yet [12:44] <@[bsod]> its bad to think about that isnt it [12:45] <@Lucia> You gotta live [12:45] <@jokeefe> one thing at a time [12:45] <@[bsod]> lived rich the last 10 years of his life after selling 2 and a half acres they owned in 2001 (in weston) that he bought for $50 in 1953 [12:45] <@[bsod]> the peak of the housing bubble [12:45] <@[bsod]> anyways [12:45] <@Lucia> Good that he enjoyed himself [12:45] <@[bsod]> evil thoughts [12:46] <@[bsod]> they said he went suddenly in his sleep though, i always imagined the end would involve saying goodbye in a hospital or something [12:47] <@[bsod]> next visit was gonna be january [12:47] <@[bsod]> anyways, i always type too much, dont let me hijack the meeting [12:47] <@jokeefe> have seen it happen both ways. not much difference, though it is good to say good bye [12:48] <@jokeefe> on SplendidSpoon 's bills id, we should sign on to CDFAR (http://warrantless.org/) 's bills, as well as some of our own. Have until Jan 20th to write them. [12:48] <@jokeefe> something for the Dec. meeting [12:48] <@SplendidSpoon> Yea [12:49] <@SplendidSpoon> I'm going with Alex from CDFAR today [12:49] <@jokeefe> good [12:49] <@jokeefe> might be good to ask folks to call her? [12:49] <@[bsod]> im good with emailing [12:50] <@[bsod]> less personal and easier to ignore replys [12:50] <@SplendidSpoon> This is the bill we are against [12:50] <@SplendidSpoon> http://www.malegislature.gov/Bills/187/House/H01379 [12:50] <@[bsod]> although we've recently found out everyone can read those after 6 months [12:50] <@SplendidSpoon> not yet [12:50] <@SplendidSpoon> because they aren't voting on it yet [12:50] <@jokeefe> bsod, less personal and easier to ignore ;-) [12:50] <@SplendidSpoon> we are just trying to get her to withdraw her cosponsership [12:50] <@[bsod]> lol [12:50] <@SplendidSpoon> once it's actually up for vote then we mobilize [12:51] <@jokeefe> that said, calls get ignored too [12:51] <@jokeefe> good step SplendidSpoon [12:51] <@[bsod]> cept for the sopa ones [12:51] <@jokeefe> aye [12:51] <@jokeefe> On the next meeting, how does 12/9 2-4pm sound. or would 4-6pm be preferable? [12:51] <@SplendidSpoon> We are giving her a chance to back away nicely lol [12:51] <@jokeefe> lol [12:52] <@Lucia> James Vallee! [12:52] <@srevilak> 2-4p 12/9 sounds ok [12:54] <@[bsod]> http://activepolitic.com:82/blog/2011-06-21a/Jeff_Merkley_Receives_Massive_Email_Petitions_For_Protectip.html [12:54] <@[bsod]> heh, took me a min to find, about emails working [12:54] <@jokeefe> :-) [12:55] <@[bsod]> i really need to code a search [12:55] <@[bsod]> too lazy... [12:55] <@jokeefe> subcontract to google? [12:55] <@[bsod]> ya people can do that for most of the links [12:56] <@[bsod]> its real easy to code though, its just my todo list is very big and im a very lazy asshole [12:56] <@jokeefe> on my todo list - I posted the last meeting minutes (though not clean), and found and sent out jeanne's flier design [12:56] <@[bsod]> site updates that could take 5 mins, genreally take 3-4 years [12:56] <@[bsod]> oh, wheres teh flier [12:57] <@jokeefe> at least you know who you are, bsod, you are more advanced than many others [12:57] <@[bsod]> heh [12:57] <@[bsod]> the first step in buddahism is understanding or something isnt it [12:57] <@mildbeard> The first noble truth, life is suffering. [12:58] <@[bsod]> that sounds familiar [12:58] <@[bsod]> i always wanted to get inside a fortune cookie factory and put strange things like "you will be killed in traffic today" [12:59] <@jokeefe> I just put the new flier design/text at http://www.masspirates.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/Brochure-2012-Update.pdf [12:59] <@[bsod]> cool, thx [12:59] <@jokeefe> ROTFL, bsod [12:59] <@mildbeard> Will take a look Thanks Jokeefe [12:59] <@jokeefe> thanks [13:00] <@[bsod]> gotta go cook, cya guys next week probably [13:00] <@mildbeard> I'm sure nobody follows soccer including me, but this is one of the most amazing things I've ever seen. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GAgt0McGg50 [13:00] <@jokeefe> bsod, your fortunes would at least be fortunes and not pointless aphorisms [13:00] <@Lucia> I'm confused. Vallee used to be my rep, but now Roy is... [13:00] <@[bsod]> now you can continue the regular meeting without the annoying guy [13:00] <@jokeefe> Lucia, redistricting [13:00] <@Lucia> Did he sponsor the bill beofre he left? [13:00] <@Lucia> So, I can't meet with him about this, not my guy anymore [13:01] <@Lucia> You need to be proactive to know what is going on. [13:01] == [bsod] [~bsod@xx.pirate] has left #masspirates [] [13:01] == mode/#masspirates [+l 19] by [4Q] [13:02] <@jokeefe> that is a great goal, mildbeard. The goalie should have caught it rather than headed it. [13:02] <@mildbeard> yeah - hindsight! [13:05] <@jokeefe> not sure, given where he was, it would have passed past him if he hadn't headed it, but the defender was on it, so he should have settled back a bit to pick it up. [13:05] <@mildbeard> Hey do you have a source file on that brochure? [13:06] <@jokeefe> I constantly teach my goalies to pick up the ball instead of kicking it [13:06] <@jokeefe> i.e, non-pdf, mildbeard? [13:06] <@mildbeard> right [13:06] <@jokeefe> jeanne has it. probably in insight. mark it up if you can and get the changes to Jeanne and the list. [13:07] <@Lucia> I don't like Acrobat. Always freezing. [13:08] <@mildbeard> ok [13:08] <@Lucia> Wherz Jean lately? [13:08] <@Lucia> Jeanne [13:10] <@jokeefe> Lucia, try the pdf viewer in Chrome. [13:10] <@Lucia> Yeah, that is what I am using now [13:10] <@jokeefe> ah [13:11] <@Lucia> Ty, though [13:11] <@Lucia> Just bitching about Adobe [13:12] <@jokeefe> quite easy to do, so I am on the hook for drafting a letter to mail to folks and compiling lists of who to mail it to so we can do a mailing party at the dec. meeting [13:12] <@jokeefe> I think it will be more effective if a bunch of people sign the letters. [13:13] <@Lucia> Sure OK [13:13] <@Lucia> Yeah so Vallee retired. Sponsored the bill and split. [13:13] <@jokeefe> I should be able to get the letter out soon [13:13] <@Lucia> I didn't even wonder where he was. [13:14] <@Lucia> Thanks. [13:14] <@Lucia> LOL wait until you are leaving to sponsor a lousy bill [13:17] <@mildbeard> Are we all set, I have to get to a mtg... [13:18] <@jokeefe> I think so., looks like 12/9 2pm at your place [13:18] <@Lucia> I have nothing to add. [13:18] <@jokeefe> please send out the meeting notes of the elction when you can, mildbeard [13:18] <@mildbeard> oh [13:18] <@Lucia> OK! [13:18] <@mildbeard> There was a PNC election last night [13:19] <@Lucia> Oh? [13:19] <@mildbeard> Travis was upset by Lindsay-Anne Brunner of the New York Pirate Party. [13:19] <@mildbeard> She is the new Captain. [13:19] <@jokeefe> close vote? [13:19] <@mildbeard> The member states (6 of them) tied 3-3 so the observer states decided it 2-1 with one abstention. [13:20] <@Lucia> That's close [13:20] <@jokeefe> yes [13:20] <@mildbeard> They decided to postpone the vote for First Officer and Quartermaster. [13:20] <@jokeefe> probably wise [13:20] <@Lucia> Well it's decided. [13:21] <@mildbeard> I cast the Mass. vote for Travis as we had discussed on Sunday. [13:21] <@Lucia> Thanks for the update, Erik. [13:21] <@jokeefe> thanks erik [13:21] <@mildbeard> There was some confusion after, as Lindsay had been one of the First Officer candidates and the other candidate Sacha dropped out. [13:21] <@mildbeard> So now they don't have candidates to fill all 3 slots. [13:22] <@jokeefe> so wouldn'd Lindsay be the current 1st officer? [13:22] <@mildbeard> Right, she was acting temporary 1st officer. Travis was acting Captain. [13:22] <@mildbeard> Now we are short on PNC officers. [13:22] <@mildbeard> I stated I was not a candidate because I'd have to give up the role of Mass delegate and we'd have to allocate 2 people to the PNC meeting every week. [13:24] <@jokeefe> we should put out a call [13:24] <@Lucia> In MA? [13:24] <@jokeefe> if anyone wants to run [13:24] <@jokeefe> not me. :-) [13:25] <@Lucia> I don't even go to the USPP chat [13:26] <@Lucia> We need to recruit more Pirates. [13:26] <@jokeefe> yes [13:26] <@Lucia> I am going to go put up more posters [13:26] <@jokeefe> good, still more are active than 2011 so we are making progress. [13:26] <@mildbeard> There are a good number of people in states where they don't have an active party, and where it wouldn't be a hardship to be an officer. The impact on a state party is significant because it takes 2 people. [13:28] <@jokeefe> people cannot take on the roles if we don't tell them. perhaps, we should ask for other alternates. need a position list to start filling. [13:28] <@jokeefe> committees, etc. [13:28] <@Lucia> How to encourage other state's activists to form their own party? [13:29] == SplendidSpoon [~SplendidS@38.111.ly.vgu] has quit [Quit: All these moments will be lost in time, like tears in the rain] [13:29] <@mildbeard> Lucia, if you can solve that riddle then a lot of us would love to know. [13:29] <@Lucia> I will work on that [13:29] <@mildbeard> OK I'm dialing into my meeting. [13:29] <@jokeefe> well, we can help NH [13:29] <@mildbeard> ttyl [13:29] <@jokeefe> and ourselves [13:29] <@Lucia> Have GOOD DAY [13:29] <@mildbeard> u2 [13:29] == mildbeard [~erixoltan@hknv-28-026-620-99.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: adios!!!] [13:29] <@jokeefe> take care, thanks. gotta get lunch now [13:30] <@Lucia> oK WE DONE? [13:30] <@Lucia> grrs caps [13:30] <@jokeefe> yes, though I'll leave my session open [13:30] <@Lucia> OK. Nice to "see" u [13:30] <@Lucia> Have a great day [13:30] <@jokeefe> and you as well