October 16th, 2014 IRC Meeting
- Update on candidate status, campaign strategies
- Mask March
- Who is going?
- What do we want to do?
- jokeefe (James O'Keefe, Somerville)
- igel (William Fleurant, Arlington)
- davidd (David van Deijk, eindhoven netherlands)
- srevilak (Steve Revilak, Arlington, MA)
- noe (Noelani Kamelamela, Somerville)
- kate_m (Kate Morrigan, Malden)
- Oct 20, Boston Security Conference #3, Kendall Sq., Cambridge
- Oct. 25, Newbury St. Shutdown
- Nov. 5, Million Mask March
- May 6, 2015, International Day against DRM.
Discussion of upcoming events and campaigns. Agenda pushed off to next week.
We discuss the most recent door flyer design for Noe.
Million mask march appears to be schedule for 8am on Wed Nov 5th. The time is a problem for several folks.
21:02 < jokeefe> Starting - agenda - https://masspirates.org/wiki/October_16th,_2014_IRC_Meeting 21:02 < davidd> right after a sentence with the word eliminating 21:02 < jokeefe> ids, James O'Keefe, Somerville 21:03 < jokeefe> looking at it davidd 21:03 < igel> William Fleurant, Arlington 21:03 < noe> Noelani Kamelamela, Somerville 21:03 < srevilak> Steve Revilak, Arlington, MA 21:03 < davidd> is this flyer suggesting to elimitae the bill of rights? 21:03 < jokeefe> no 21:03 < jokeefe> separate bullet point 21:04 < srevilak> davidd: I read it as "do you support all amendments in the bill of rights" 21:04 < kate_m> Kate Morrigan, Malden 21:04 < davidd> i understand that that is what it is supposed to mean, but it reads a bit weird 21:04 < jokeefe> What about switching the order? 21:04 < davidd> David van Deijk, eindhoven netherlands 21:05 < davidd> yes that could work 21:05 < jokeefe> would scan better since the length of the text would increase as you go down 21:05 < igel> the last bullet could be 1 line, somehow.. 21:05 < jokeefe> consistently 21:06 < davidd> and i would put the picture on top on the frontside 21:06 < jokeefe> ? 21:06 < davidd> but good pictures 21:06 < davidd> both of them 21:07 < davidd> but i would add a verb to that bill of rigths line 21:07 < davidd> support, rescue, restore 21:08 < davidd> something along those lines 21:08 < srevilak> davidd: top of the flyer will have a hole in it (for hanging on doors) 21:08 < igel> aaah door hangers 21:08 < davidd> makes a lot more sense that way srevilak, 21:08 < jokeefe> igel, thought about putting transparency on the first line, but then the order would look off, and leading with an economic issue seems more appropriate 21:08 < davidd> better on the bottom then 21:09 * srevilak likes "restoring the bill of rights" 21:09 < jokeefe> yes, there will be less head space with the non-door-hanging fliers 21:09 < jokeefe> oooo 21:09 < igel> that works 21:09 < jokeefe> ahoy Kendra 21:09 < Kendra> hi 21:10 < jokeefe> agenda at https://masspirates.org/wiki/October_16th,_2014_IRC_Meeting 21:10 < jokeefe> ids pretty much done 21:10 < jokeefe> critiquing Noe's campaign flyer 21:10 < jokeefe> at https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0Ps3eiAOk5meDRYRGQxaVQ2UDQ/view 21:11 < srevilak> hi Kendra and bestpiggy 21:11 < jokeefe> Like restoring the bill of rights statement, but based on space, would need to put it first 21:11 < bestpiggy> hello! 21:11 < srevilak> agenda: https://masspirates.org/wiki/October_16th,_2014_IRC_Meeting 21:11 < jokeefe> ahoy bestpiggy, 21:11 < srevilak> flyer we're talking about: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0Ps3eiAOk5meDRYRGQxaVQ2UDQ/view 21:11 < jokeefe> thanks srevilak 21:12 < jokeefe> Could do - Restoring the bill of rights for everyone 21:13 < kate_m> May I suggest "A competent, transparent government accountable to the people" for the last one? 21:13 < kate_m> If you;'re stuck at two lines, you should use them 21:13 < igel> ja yea 21:13 < jokeefe> or Restoring the Bill of Rights for everyone 21:14 < davidd> i like the "for everyone" 21:14 < Kendra> Restoring the 4th Amendment 21:14 < jokeefe> like it 21:14 < jokeefe> kate_m 21:15 < Lulu> Fell asleep oops 21:15 < Lulu> seriously overtired. 21:16 < noe> Ahoy Lulu! 21:16 < jokeefe> no worries, lulu. Kendra, we explicityly wanted to call out Noe's support for all ten amendments to the bill of rights 21:16 < Lulu> Ahoy...zzzzz 21:16 < igel> irc always fixes sleep :D https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0Ps3eiAOk5meDRYRGQxaVQ2UDQ/view 21:16 < Kendra> ok 21:17 < jokeefe> updated version - https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0Ps3eiAOk5mLW1fb2UyX0xpWGM/view?usp=sharing 21:18 < jokeefe> of the flyer, lulu 21:18 < kate_m> Is "restoring" better than "defending" in this context? 21:18 < Lulu> "Why vote Pirate?" 21:19 < Lulu> hey kate_m 21:19 < Lulu> how have you been? 21:19 < jokeefe> thanks for all the great feed back everyone 21:19 < srevilak> hmm "Eliminating government surveillance" or "and end to government surveillance" 21:19 < srevilak> But either is okay 21:19 < jokeefe> Restoring vs Defending - the point is we have lost so many we need to bring them back 21:20 < kate_m> I get that, but "restore" strikes me as more of a radical statement 21:20 < davidd> yeah, i would change the "do you support" with "Why vote Pirate" 21:21 < kate_m> I dunno if treading more delicately would make it more accessible to undecided voters 21:21 < srevilak> I liked "do you support" because each bullet forms a question. "Do you support a living wage of ...", and so forth 21:21 < Lulu> dembots ain't changing their votes 21:22 < jokeefe> Right, but noe's dem opponent would say that she is defending rather than restoring. need to contrast. 21:22 < Lulu> Doesn't the democratic party support a living wage? (ostensibly?) 21:22 < kate_m> $15 is more than the dems push for 21:22 < kate_m> unless I missed something 21:22 < jokeefe> I like Why vote Pirate?, but then I feel we would need to change the bullet text a bit. 21:23 < jokeefe> yes 21:23 < Lulu> They barely push for *11* 21:23 < jokeefe> kate_m 21:23 < igel> i think 15 is what seattle voted for? dunno.. 21:23 < srevilak> Noe's opponent is has also shown reluctance to talk about 15/hr 21:23 < srevilak> igel: yes, but that was the socialist party, not the dems 21:23 < Lulu> good point, srevilak 21:23 < Lulu> about denise 21:23 < noe> I should mention (since we're mentioning living wage) if anyone is interested, 15 Now New England is holding a meeting this Saturday at 1pm at the West Roxbury Public Library 21:24 < Lulu> Will you be there? 21:24 < noe> I will probably post the meeting info to votenoelani tomorrow 21:24 < jokeefe> good 21:24 < Lulu> noe you will be there? 21:24 < noe> I have a family thing at 3pm, so probably not? 21:24 < Lulu> I understand 21:24 < jokeefe> noe, restoring or defending the Bill of Rights? 21:25 < Lulu> (I vote "restoring" 21:25 < Lulu> ) 21:25 < noe> I will put out a general call to Somervillains on the blog along the lines of "this is how we have to fight for 15 in our communities and you should go to see how easy/hard it is" 21:25 < jokeefe> Also, Why vote Pirate? vs. Do you support? 21:25 < noe> I like restoring 21:25 < srevilak> jokeefe: I share your concern about rewording 21:26 < noe> I like Do you support?, but that's just me, either one I am fine with. 21:26 < srevilak> Kendra, bestpiggy: what do you think of the flyer? 21:27 < jokeefe> Any suggestions for a better body text font? 21:27 < jokeefe> I think I have Helvetica across the whole doc. 21:27 < igel> dont ask me, i stare at fixed width.. 21:28 < jokeefe> lol 21:28 < jokeefe> kate_m? 21:29 < kate_m> um, are there any other materials out there already? 21:29 < davidd> well it "why vote pirate" is a bit more forceful, it is an instruction phrased as a question 21:29 < jokeefe> agreed, davidd 21:29 < davidd> also "Pirate party" appears only once if i counted correctly 21:29 < jokeefe> kate_m, the 1/4 single sided older version of this one 21:30 < bestpiggy> i think the flyer is good 21:30 < noe> I think we also have a trifold pamphlet, which is the basic Pirate Party information 21:30 < jokeefe> noe - do you want to give a quick update? 21:30 < Lulu> "Why vote..." NOT Dem or Rep? 21:30 < Lulu> essentially 21:30 < kate_m> If you're shopping for alternative fonts, league gothic is pretty 21:30 < Lulu> what is different about Noe and about us...? 21:30 < kate_m> you can't fit gotham on that thing, it's too wide 21:31 < noe> this past weekend, i hosted the honk! parade on SCATV, did some interviews for them 21:31 < noe> Its possible that I have an interview with the Somerville Journal sometime soon? 21:31 < jokeefe> actually, I am wrong. Headers are Trebuchet MS 21:31 < noe> I'm at about 1-2 blog posts on votenoelani a week and we're starting door-to-door knocking soon 21:32 < jokeefe> hopefully, noe, waiting to hear back. 21:32 < kate_m> jokeefe: what program did you make this in? 21:32 < Lulu> Srsly noe? that is SO COOL 21:32 < Lulu> The hosting of Honk, that is. 21:32 < jokeefe> kate_m: <hangs head> Apple Pages 21:32 < Lulu> LOL 21:32 < noe> We'll be incorporating PassMassAmendment (passmassamendment.org) petitions in our door-to-door. 21:33 < Lulu> Ain't no shame in dat 21:33 < jokeefe> if it works 21:33 < noe> I think that my opponent is not currently doing this, and hopefully this will get her to do it, too! 21:33 < davidd> whatever works best for you 21:33 < kate_m> dude 21:33 < Lulu> LOL 21:33 < kate_m> well, I can't help with it 21:33 < srevilak> noe: didn't know about SCATV & honk. Very cool 21:34 < Lulu> irk? 21:34 < kate_m> I'm gonna sit over here with my formats that work on more than one brand 21:34 < noe> Oh, and a producer at SCATV just asked me to pass this on, hopefully they want to get Pirates to work on some programming. 21:34 < Lulu> Yes please! 21:34 < noe> Here's some word for word: "I really want to have a show on: Today In Technology...on policy, new trends, concerns, ownership, engagement, and local events. Maybe a call-in show? " 21:34 < Lulu> The Pirate Show 21:35 < Lulu> The Privateer programme 21:35 < noe> "we would totally help with setup but we would need help with the content, guests, etc." 21:35 < jokeefe> Like it. I would help with that. Could have little side lines - This week in surveillance ... 21:35 < Lulu> YOU ARE THE SHIT NOE 21:35 < Lulu> Heheheheheh 21:36 < noe> Yes! The producer took me to their hotset, its a small interview space that's set up for 30 minute live sets 21:36 < jokeefe> aye! in a good way 21:36 < noe> We could probably have a host or two and try to finagle a guest in? 21:36 < jokeefe> sounds good. 21:36 < Lulu> All you peeps in Somerville... 21:36 < noe> I think we should manipulate the frequency to once a month if we do it. 21:36 < Lulu> What a resource 21:37 < Lulu> Once a month is a lot akshlly 21:37 < noe> Yes! 21:37 < noe> I know that there are other shows that are once a week, but my fear is that we will have to cancel 21:37 < jokeefe> Talked with Joe - he had a radio interview that went well. Got interviewed by the Worcester Telegram & Gazette, radio debate on the 24th 21:38 < jokeefe> start small, get our feet wet and build from there. 21:38 < noe> Somerville Neighborhood News for instance is weekly when they have enough people to do it, but when school starts it gets to once a month sometimes. 21:38 < jokeefe> Could even do a How to … segment. 21:38 < Lulu> Trying to find an event we can work on Saturday. Waiting to hear from him. 21:38 < jokeefe> great! 21:39 < noe> Hooray for Joe! 21:39 < Lulu> Oh crypto-tv? 21:39 < Lulu> How to: TOR PGP BITCOIN? 21:39 < noe> I will mention to SCATV that we'd be interested in a monthly on the hotset. 21:39 < Lulu> You mean Erica? 21:40 < noe> Probably her or Wendy or the new guy Brian 21:40 < noe> One of them producers 21:40 < Lulu> Cool :-) 21:40 < jokeefe> aye, Lulu 21:41 < jokeefe> Anything else to report on candidate items? 21:42 < noe> We probably both need more money? 21:42 < noe> I'm just saying. 21:42 < jokeefe> Aye, and volunteers 21:42 < Lulu> To do ...what? 21:43 < jokeefe> So if you want to help, please contact either campaign - votenoelani.org or voteguertin.org 21:43 < Lulu> Yes please 21:43 < Lulu> Million Mask March diversity please! http://animalnewyork.com/2013/diversifying-the-anonymous-guy-fawkes-mask/ 21:44 < jokeefe> Thanks for the updates and comments -Moving on to planning for the Mask March - Who is going? 21:44 < Lulu> I am. See my freebie masks? 21:44 < jokeefe> I plan to be there during the start or lunch. 21:45 < bestpiggy> i plan to go 21:45 < noe> I am hoping to go, but don't know my schedule yet. 21:45 < kate_m> So, this is embarrassing, but this is the first I've heard of it for this year 21:45 < kate_m> where/when? 21:45 < noe> I should know by next week. 21:45 < jokeefe> kate_m - https://www.facebook.com/events/841471605887010/ 21:46 < noe> Wednesday November 5, march on the State House 21:46 < kate_m> ugh 21:46 < kate_m> weekdays 21:46 < Lulu> ikr? 21:46 < noe> They say 8am, but . . . Noe is a light-hating creature. 21:46 < kate_m> 8am is not happening 21:46 < Lulu> I couldn't get into town last year 21:46 < kate_m> anons are not morning people 21:46 < Lulu> should make it this time 21:46 < Lulu> Bryan is 21:46 < noe> Maybe they mean 8pm? 21:46 < noe> (I hope so) 21:47 < Lulu> ANONinMASS 21:47 < kate_m> maybe they mean all day 21:47 < Lulu> Oh Bry means early am I amsure 21:47 < kate_m> ANONinMASS is a protesting machine 21:47 < srevilak> I'll be at the vet @ 8am 21:47 < Lulu> Oh no! Kitty? 21:47 < jokeefe> noon would be good. 21:48 < noe> Yes, noon sounds good. 21:48 < kate_m> is there any actual plan for this one? 21:49 < kate_m> or just another rah rah we're not dead yet? 21:49 < kate_m> because if it's the dead yet one I'mma stay home 21:49 < noe> I've been to several rallies in the past few weeks where people have actively asked for participation 21:49 < Kendra> how so? 21:49 < bestpiggy> ima shoot for 8am too 21:49 < noe> (not that they were clear on time commitments or expectations, just that they were actually asking) 21:50 < Lulu> Angle for MPP: Remain anonymous, attend our crypto-parties 21:50 < Lulu> (Since election will be over) 21:50 < noe> *walks up to microphone* "And if this is really upsetting you, please consider coming to the Million Mask March on November 5th" 21:50 < jokeefe> There seem to be two Facebook events, not sure who is organizing - action item, figure out the plan. 21:51 < Lulu> Help me with my project and I will take care of that 21:51 < Lulu> "project" 21:51 < noe> If we want Pirates to come, we should have a fun Pirate activity, because I am unsure that this is going to be fun 21:51 < Lulu> Masks are fun 21:51 < Lulu> sorta 21:52 < noe> Make a mask activity? 21:52 < Lulu> LOL 21:52 < Lulu> Like kindergarten! 21:52 < Kendra> They need to be better organized and clear about what the day will look like. 21:52 < jokeefe> with spray paint! that will go over well 21:52 < Lulu> http://animalnewyork.com/2013/diversifying-the-anonymous-guy-fawkes-mask/ 21:52 < jokeefe> aye, Kendra 21:52 < Lulu> No one noticed 21:53 < noe> I think we should make a happy Pirate guy fawkes 21:53 < Lulu> kate_m? 21:53 < kate_m> personalizing gf masks kinda rubs me the wrong way 21:53 < kate_m> but that's a personal problem 21:53 < kate_m> y'all do what makes you happy 21:54 < jokeefe> can make it easier to identify people 21:54 < Lulu> Just trying to be diverse. :-) 21:54 < Kendra> my pet peeve is endless marching. i can't do it anymore. 21:54 < Lulu> jokeefe +1 21:54 < noe> I like a sit-in 21:54 < noe> Or a lie-around 21:54 < Lulu> Oh but you will so thing my dear! 21:54 < Lulu> thin even 21:55 < davidd> so is this "diversifying" happening on halloween eve? 21:55 < jokeefe> Nov. 5th 21:55 < Lulu> No MMM is 11/5 21:55 < noe> Instead of gf masks, we could wear a pirate masks? 21:55 < davidd> well i agree with kate_m 21:56 < davidd> the philosophy behind the masks is to have plausible deniability by everyone having the mask at home 21:56 < davidd> being anonymous is the point of all having the same mask 21:56 < Lulu> Seriously, some of us are never anonymous 21:56 < jokeefe> aye, davidd 21:57 < Lulu> Fool that I am I put my name on everything/ 21:57 < davidd> if you personalise it it becomes a meaningless prop 21:57 < Lulu> :-P I thought it was a good idea. 21:57 < noe> Its an interesting one 21:57 < davidd> nice to look at but defeating the purpose 21:58 < Lulu> They can identify anyone if they want to by clothes, phone 21:58 < jokeefe> so we need more details about this event, then 21:58 < Lulu> Yep 21:58 < bestpiggy> lulu, true too 21:58 < davidd> well did you see the movie 21:58 < Lulu> That was a film 21:59 < Lulu> The "hero" tortured a girl to make a point, too 21:59 < Lulu> Not my favorite tactic 21:59 < davidd> but the concept was explained in the end 21:59 < davidd> that is what i was getting at 21:59 < davidd> when all people got a mask by the mail at home 21:59 < Kendra> Well if you add color and race to the equation, it kind of defeats the purpose of anonimity. But on another note people could wear any color mask, ot that that is fooling anyone. However, that is a conversation that will only twist itself up in knots. Masks were traditinally used in triabl ceremonies where people did not know who a jury was. It is halloween season after all, might as well go full Pirate 21:59 < Lulu> So lets all be Guy... 21:59 < Lulu> a white anglo saxon 22:00 < Kendra> Evil clowns 22:00 < Lulu> dude 22:00 < Kendra> mix it up 22:00 < noe> It is halloween. Most of the people where I grew up would find a white guy frightening. 22:00 < Lulu> We are taking this WAY too seriously 22:00 < davidd> there has been a move to use the old greek masks for happy/sad face 22:00 < noe> Also, I think we're at time. 22:00 < jokeefe> lol, noe. 22:00 < Lulu> ANGELIC CHOIR SINGS 22:01 < jokeefe> and off topic 22:01 < jokeefe> motion to adjourn the formal meeting? 22:01 < Lulu> Take control sir 22:01 < noe> motioned! 22:01 < Kendra> secnd 22:01 < Lulu> OOH 22:01 < jokeefe> all in favor? 22:01 < Lulu> seconds too late 22:01 < Kendra> aye 22:01 < Lulu> aye 22:01 < noe> aye 22:01 < Lulu> back to bed.... 22:01 < jokeefe> aye 22:01 < Kendra> nite 22:01 < Lulu> night! 22:01 < srevilak> aye to adjourn 22:01 < noe> nite! 22:01 < jokeefe> srevilak, will you add the notes? 22:02 < srevilak> jokeefe: will do