View source for November 22nd, 2012 Informal IRC Meeting

== Agenda ==

Open discussion post In-Person meeting on the 11th.

== Quick Notes / Summaries Re Proposed Bills to be Discussed: ==

== Participants ==

* SplendidSpoon - Lauren Pespisa, Boxboro/Cambridge
* srevilak - Steve Revilak
* jokeefe - James O'Keefe, Somerville
* Lucia - Lucia Fiero
* mildbeard - Erik Zoltan, Framingham
* bsod - 

Observers:

* passstab - from PA
* sharp - 
* zby_home - 
* davidd - David van Deijk, from PP Netherlands
* ageis
* cmal

== Summary ==


== Meeting Minutes ==

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[12:00] <@jokeefe> hi folks
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[12:00] <+srevilak> howdy
[12:03] <@SplendidSpoon> Hey
[12:04] <+srevilak> hey SplendidSpoon
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[12:04] <@mildbeard> Good morning Vietnam....
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[12:04] <@jokeefe> hi srevilak, SplendidSpoon, mildbeard
[12:05] <@jokeefe> I would very much appreciate it if folks would fill out the poll for the dec . meeting- http://doodle.com/txgghg5epuwucddx
[12:06] <@mildbeard> OK will do it now.
[12:06] <@jokeefe> thanks
[12:06] <@jokeefe> Lucia offered to host instead of me.  Anyone else interested?
[12:06] <@mildbeard> My wife Melanie says it would be OK for us to host. If nobody minds driving to Framingham. We don't have a dog :P.
[12:09] <+srevilak> I could probably host.  As long as no-one minds lolcats
[12:09] <@mildbeard> I filled out the poll.
[12:12] <@jokeefe> thanks.
[12:12] <@jokeefe> Framingham is probably easier to get to than Medway
[12:12] <@jokeefe> I am happy to give folks rides
[12:15] <@mildbeard> That sounds good. Anyone can bring friends and family members.
[12:15] <@mildbeard> There is a train station and I'm happy to ferry any one back and forth from it.
[12:19] <@jokeefe> Lucia said she could drop in to the IRC.
[12:19] <@jokeefe> guess item #1 is picking the location / date of the next meeting
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[12:21] <@mildbeard> Hi Lucia!
[12:21] <@Lucia> Hi... Who is mildbeard?
[12:21] <@mildbeard> Erik Zoltan
[12:21] <@Lucia> Sry if that is rude
[12:21] <@Lucia> But you dont have a beard
[12:21] <@Lucia> lol
[12:22] <@jokeefe> hi, Lucia
[12:22] <@Lucia> Hi Erik
[12:22] <@mildbeard> My son Ben told me that should be my pirate nickname, and it just stuck. I often go long periods without shaving.
[12:22] <@Lucia> LOL I like that
[12:23] <@Lucia> Sry I'm late.
[12:25] <@Lucia> What are we discussing?
[12:26] <@mildbeard> Time and location of next meeting. I was just offering Framingham (no dogs). There's a doodle poll http://doodle.com/txgghg5epuwucddx about the time.
[12:28] <@Lucia> Oh, OK. If it will be there I don't have to check with Jason. I asked about our house in January and he said that should be OK. I will fill it out now assuming it will be at Erik's.
[12:29] <@jokeefe> So Erik's it is then.
[12:29] <+srevilak> ok by me
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[12:29] <@[bsod]> has it been a week already?
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[12:29] <@mildbeard> We can always use another site for January.
[12:30] <@jokeefe> hi bsod, I put the in-person meeting minutes up at http://masspirates.org/wiki/index.php?title=November_11th,_2012_In-Person_Meeting, but haven't cleaned them up
[12:30] <@jokeefe> sure, mildbeard
[12:30] <@mildbeard> I won't know what Melanie thinks until after the Dec meeting :D.
[12:30] <+feedbot> [Twitter] masspirates: Some good news - Cybersecurity Bill Fails To Move Forward In The Senate (Again) http://t.co/XPgFV6oy - http://twitter.com/masspirates/statuses/269130164259131394
[12:30] <@Lucia> I was just talking with Jason about this and I said that perhaps we could cycle through other Pirate's homes for meetings, and leave the O'Keefe's out of rotation for a while. You guys have held it enough already.
[12:30] <@jokeefe> fine with me
[12:31] <@[bsod]> heh, the in person meeting happened already ?
[12:31] <@jokeefe> any preferences to start times of 2 or 4pm?
[12:31] <@Lucia> Your wife's name is Melanie, too?
[12:31] <@mildbeard> yep
[12:31] <@Lucia> Cool.
[12:31] <@[bsod]> should i make any of these people ops in here, since everyones here now
[12:32] <@Lucia> ops?
[12:32] <@jokeefe> fine if srevilak & Lucia are both ops
[12:32] <@[bsod]> Lucia already is
[12:32] <@jokeefe> right
[12:33] <@[bsod]> holds please
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[12:33] <@[bsod]> should be allset
[12:34]  * mildbeard slaps forehead and shouts "DOH!"
[12:34] <@mildbeard> I just got the name [4Q]...
[12:34] <@[bsod]> off topic from the meeting, my grandfather died late last night, i have a wake and a funeral this weekend, in maine... and i have nothing approporate for my daughter to wear!
[12:34] <@Lucia> I still don't get it.
[12:34] <@mildbeard> I'm so sorry to hear that.
[12:34] <@[bsod]> but we do have new tires so it should be ok
[12:35] <@[bsod]> thanks mildbeard
[12:35] <@Lucia> Sorry for your loss.
[12:35] <@[bsod]> and Lucia
[12:35] <@[bsod]> greif hits in strange waves, when i get busy it lands in the back of my mind
[12:36] <@Lucia> I hear ya
[12:36] <@[bsod]> gonna drive back saturday to go to work overnight straight away after the funeral after having not slept.. so expect me to be missing the whole weekend as i plan to sleep through all of sunday
[12:36] <@[bsod]> lol
[12:36] <@[bsod]> or be drunk
[12:37] <@[bsod]> how are you guys all doing
[12:37] <@Lucia> Hopefully the drnking will lead to sleeping
[12:37] <@[bsod]> thats the plan
[12:37] <@srevilak> bsod: sorry to hear the bad news
[12:37] <@[bsod]> thanks man
[12:37] <@SplendidSpoon> I'm meeting with State Rep Jen Benson today
[12:37] <@Lucia> Things are good in Medway
[12:37] <@Lucia> OOOH!
[12:37] <@SplendidSpoon> Yea
[12:37] <@SplendidSpoon> She's cosponsering a pro-privacy bill
[12:38] <@SplendidSpoon> but also another bill that increases surveillance
[12:38] <@[bsod]> that would be cool
[12:38] <@[bsod]> or not
[12:38] <@SplendidSpoon> So we need to get her head straight
[12:38] <@Lucia> Excellent
[12:38] <@srevilak> SplendidSpoon: do you know the bill #'s?
[12:38] <@[bsod]> reporting on state bills is spotty isnt it
[12:38] <@SplendidSpoon> http://www.malegislature.gov/Bills/BillHtml/11358?generalCourtId=1
[12:39] <@[bsod]> my local news reports whats going on in the world
[12:39] <@srevilak> SplendidSpoon: bingo, thanks
[12:39] <@SplendidSpoon> and the one that has surveillance snuck into it is "Act Against Economic Crimes"
[12:39] <@Lucia> You have to be very proactive to know what they are up to on Beacon Hill
[12:39] <@SplendidSpoon> Yea
[12:40] <@[bsod]> indeed
[12:40] <@SplendidSpoon> They can pass a million bills and do nothing at the same time
[12:40] <@SplendidSpoon> because they cancel each other out
[12:40] <@srevilak> And because they're (ahem) exempt from portions of open mtng laws
[12:40] <@[bsod]> i abstained from voting for many state level peoples because i didnt know enough about them or their oponents
[12:41] <@jokeefe> many condolences bsod.  
[12:41] <@[bsod]> thanks man
[12:42] <@[bsod]> lot to do, i have to rush dry cleaning, get a hair cut, will probably be the last time ever seeing the whole family together in one place and those pictures will last forever
[12:42] <@Lucia> Don't forget your camera
[12:42] <@SplendidSpoon> oh [bsod] Im sorry
[12:42] <@[bsod]> think so?
[12:42] <@SplendidSpoon> I'm multitasking obviously
[12:42] <@[bsod]> i haddent even considered bringing a camera
[12:42] <@[bsod]> no worries SplendidSpoon
[12:42] <@[bsod]> everyone is multitasking in here
[12:43] <@SplendidSpoon> My good friend lost her Mum this weekend, it's been a pretty rough week for everyone I guess
[12:43] <@Lucia> I switched coats at the last minute and missed getting pics of my kid in her play
[12:43] <@[bsod]> i didnt have a real dad, so my grandfather took the role
[12:43] <@Lucia> Oh man!
[12:43] <@[bsod]> intresting times
[12:43] <@Lucia> That must be really hard for you
[12:44] <@[bsod]> and now im freaking out about buying a second car because my saftey net just went away
[12:44] <@[bsod]> heh
[12:44] <@[bsod]> a new stage of life, live independantly
[12:44] <@Lucia> Did he... leave you anything? Mercenary of me, IK
[12:44] <@[bsod]> got 3 days off from work though
[12:44] <@[bsod]> im wondering about that also, dunno yet
[12:44] <@[bsod]> its bad to think about that isnt it
[12:45] <@Lucia> You gotta live
[12:45] <@jokeefe> one thing at a time
[12:45] <@[bsod]> lived rich the last 10 years of his life after selling 2 and a half acres they owned in 2001 (in weston) that he bought for $50 in 1953
[12:45] <@[bsod]> the peak of the housing bubble
[12:45] <@[bsod]> anyways
[12:45] <@Lucia> Good that he enjoyed himself
[12:45] <@[bsod]> evil thoughts
[12:46] <@[bsod]> they said he went suddenly in his sleep though, i always imagined the end would involve saying goodbye in a hospital or something
[12:47] <@[bsod]> next visit was gonna be january
[12:47] <@[bsod]> anyways, i always type too much, dont let me hijack the meeting
[12:47] <@jokeefe> have seen it happen both ways.  not much difference, though it is good to say good bye
[12:48] <@jokeefe> on SplendidSpoon 's bills id, we should sign on to CDFAR (http://warrantless.org/) 's bills, as well as some of our own.  Have until Jan 20th to write them.
[12:48] <@jokeefe> something for the Dec. meeting
[12:48] <@SplendidSpoon> Yea
[12:49] <@SplendidSpoon> I'm going with Alex from CDFAR today
[12:49] <@jokeefe> good
[12:49] <@jokeefe> might be good to ask folks to call her?
[12:49] <@[bsod]> im good with emailing
[12:50] <@[bsod]> less personal and easier to ignore replys
[12:50] <@SplendidSpoon> This is the bill we are against
[12:50] <@SplendidSpoon> http://www.malegislature.gov/Bills/187/House/H01379
[12:50] <@[bsod]> although we've recently found out everyone can read those after 6 months
[12:50] <@SplendidSpoon> not yet
[12:50] <@SplendidSpoon> because they aren't voting on it yet
[12:50] <@jokeefe> bsod, less personal and easier to ignore ;-)
[12:50] <@SplendidSpoon> we are just trying to get her to withdraw her cosponsership
[12:50] <@[bsod]> lol
[12:50] <@SplendidSpoon> once it's actually up for vote then we mobilize
[12:51] <@jokeefe> that said, calls get ignored too
[12:51] <@jokeefe> good step SplendidSpoon
[12:51] <@[bsod]> cept for the sopa ones
[12:51] <@jokeefe> aye
[12:51] <@jokeefe> On the next meeting, how does 12/9 2-4pm sound.  or would 4-6pm be preferable?
[12:51] <@SplendidSpoon> We are giving her a chance to back away nicely lol
[12:51] <@jokeefe> lol
[12:52] <@Lucia> James Vallee!
[12:52] <@srevilak> 2-4p 12/9 sounds ok
[12:54] <@[bsod]> http://activepolitic.com:82/blog/2011-06-21a/Jeff_Merkley_Receives_Massive_Email_Petitions_For_Protectip.html
[12:54] <@[bsod]> heh, took me a min to find, about emails working
[12:54] <@jokeefe> :-)
[12:55] <@[bsod]> i really need to code a search
[12:55] <@[bsod]> too lazy...
[12:55] <@jokeefe> subcontract to google?
[12:55] <@[bsod]> ya people can do that for most of the links
[12:56] <@[bsod]> its real easy to code though, its just my todo list is very big and im a very lazy asshole
[12:56] <@jokeefe> on my todo list - I posted the last meeting minutes (though not clean), and found and sent out jeanne's flier design
[12:56] <@[bsod]> site updates that could take 5 mins, genreally take 3-4 years
[12:56] <@[bsod]> oh, wheres teh flier
[12:57] <@jokeefe> at least you know who you are, bsod, you are more advanced than many others
[12:57] <@[bsod]> heh
[12:57] <@[bsod]> the first step in buddahism is understanding or something isnt it
[12:57] <@mildbeard> The first noble truth, life is suffering.
[12:58] <@[bsod]> that sounds familiar
[12:58] <@[bsod]> i always wanted to get inside a fortune cookie factory and put strange things like "you will be killed in traffic today"
[12:59] <@jokeefe> I just put the new flier design/text at http://www.masspirates.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/Brochure-2012-Update.pdf
[12:59] <@[bsod]> cool, thx
[12:59] <@jokeefe> ROTFL, bsod
[12:59] <@mildbeard> Will take a look Thanks Jokeefe
[12:59] <@jokeefe> thanks
[13:00] <@[bsod]> gotta go cook, cya guys next week probably
[13:00] <@mildbeard> I'm sure nobody follows soccer including me, but this is one of the most amazing things I've ever seen.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GAgt0McGg50
[13:00] <@jokeefe> bsod, your fortunes would at least be fortunes and not pointless aphorisms
[13:00] <@Lucia> I'm confused. Vallee used to be my rep, but now Roy is...
[13:00] <@[bsod]> now you can continue the regular meeting without the annoying guy
[13:00] <@jokeefe> Lucia, redistricting
[13:00] <@Lucia> Did he sponsor the bill beofre he left?
[13:00] <@Lucia> So, I can't meet with him about this, not my guy anymore
[13:01] <@Lucia> You need to be proactive to know what is going on.
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[13:02] <@jokeefe> that is a great goal, mildbeard.  The goalie should have caught it rather than headed it.
[13:02] <@mildbeard> yeah - hindsight!
[13:05] <@jokeefe> not sure, given where he was, it would have passed past him if he hadn't headed it, but the defender was on it, so he should have settled back a bit to pick it up.
[13:05] <@mildbeard> Hey do you have a source file on that brochure?
[13:06] <@jokeefe> I constantly teach my goalies to pick up the ball instead of kicking it
[13:06] <@jokeefe> i.e, non-pdf, mildbeard?
[13:06] <@mildbeard> right
[13:06] <@jokeefe> jeanne has it.  probably in insight.  mark it up if you can and get the changes to Jeanne and the list.
[13:07] <@Lucia> I don't like Acrobat. Always freezing.
[13:08] <@mildbeard> ok
[13:08] <@Lucia> Wherz Jean lately?
[13:08] <@Lucia> Jeanne
[13:10] <@jokeefe> Lucia, try the pdf viewer in Chrome.
[13:10] <@Lucia> Yeah, that is what I am using now
[13:10] <@jokeefe> ah
[13:11] <@Lucia> Ty, though
[13:11] <@Lucia> Just bitching about Adobe
[13:12] <@jokeefe> quite easy to do, so I am on the hook for drafting a letter to mail to folks and compiling lists of who to mail it to so we can do a mailing party at the dec. meeting
[13:12] <@jokeefe> I think it will be more effective if a bunch of people sign the letters.
[13:13] <@Lucia> Sure OK
[13:13] <@Lucia> Yeah so Vallee retired. Sponsored the bill and split.
[13:13] <@jokeefe> I should be able to get the letter out soon
[13:13] <@Lucia> I didn't even wonder where he was.
[13:14] <@Lucia> Thanks.
[13:14] <@Lucia> LOL wait until you are leaving to sponsor a lousy bill
[13:17] <@mildbeard> Are we all set, I have to get to a mtg...
[13:18] <@jokeefe> I think so., looks like 12/9 2pm at your place
[13:18] <@Lucia> I have nothing to add.
[13:18] <@jokeefe> please send out the meeting notes of the elction when you can, mildbeard
[13:18] <@mildbeard> oh
[13:18] <@Lucia> OK!
[13:18] <@mildbeard> There was a PNC election last night
[13:19] <@Lucia> Oh?
[13:19] <@mildbeard> Travis was upset by Lindsay-Anne Brunner of the New York Pirate Party.
[13:19] <@mildbeard> She is the new Captain.
[13:19] <@jokeefe> close vote?
[13:19] <@mildbeard> The member states (6 of them) tied 3-3 so the observer states decided it 2-1 with one abstention. 
[13:20] <@Lucia> That's close
[13:20] <@jokeefe> yes
[13:20] <@mildbeard> They decided to postpone the vote for First Officer and Quartermaster.
[13:20] <@jokeefe> probably wise
[13:20] <@Lucia> Well it's decided.
[13:21] <@mildbeard> I cast the Mass. vote for Travis as we had discussed on Sunday.
[13:21] <@Lucia> Thanks for the update, Erik.
[13:21] <@jokeefe> thanks erik
[13:21] <@mildbeard> There was some confusion after, as Lindsay had been one of the First Officer candidates and the other candidate Sacha dropped out.
[13:21] <@mildbeard> So now they don't have candidates to fill all 3 slots.
[13:22] <@jokeefe> so wouldn'd Lindsay be the current 1st officer?
[13:22] <@mildbeard> Right, she was acting temporary 1st officer. Travis was acting Captain.  
[13:22] <@mildbeard> Now we are short on PNC officers.
[13:22] <@mildbeard> I stated I was not a candidate because I'd have to give up the role of Mass delegate and we'd have to allocate 2 people to the PNC meeting every week.
[13:24] <@jokeefe> we should put out a call
[13:24] <@Lucia> In MA?
[13:24] <@jokeefe> if anyone wants to run
[13:24] <@jokeefe> not me.  :-)
[13:25] <@Lucia> I don't even go to the USPP chat
[13:26] <@Lucia> We need to recruit more Pirates.
[13:26] <@jokeefe> yes
[13:26] <@Lucia> I am going to go put up more posters
[13:26] <@jokeefe> good, still more are active than 2011 so we are making progress.
[13:26] <@mildbeard> There are a good number of people in states where they don't have an active party, and where it wouldn't be a hardship to be an officer. The impact on a state party is significant because it takes 2 people.
[13:28] <@jokeefe> people cannot take on the roles if we don't tell them.  perhaps, we should ask for other alternates.  need a position list to start filling.
[13:28] <@jokeefe> committees, etc.
[13:28] <@Lucia> How to encourage other state's activists to form their own party?
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[13:29] <@mildbeard> Lucia, if you can solve that riddle then a lot of us would love to know.
[13:29] <@Lucia> I will work on that
[13:29] <@mildbeard> OK I'm dialing into my meeting.
[13:29] <@jokeefe> well, we can help NH
[13:29] <@mildbeard> ttyl
[13:29] <@jokeefe> and ourselves
[13:29] <@Lucia> Have  GOOD DAY
[13:29] <@mildbeard> u2
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[13:29] <@jokeefe> take care, thanks. gotta get lunch now
[13:30] <@Lucia> oK WE DONE?
[13:30] <@Lucia>  grrs caps
[13:30] <@jokeefe> yes, though I'll leave my session open