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== Summary == | == Summary == | ||
Lots of chatting about COVID-19. | |||
We'll do a pirate news recording at 6pm on Sunday. | |||
== Minutes == | == Minutes == | ||
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21:02 <@jokeefe> Agenda - | |||
https://masspirates.org/wiki/March_18th,_2020_IRC_Meeting | |||
21:02 <@jokeefe> ids | |||
21:02 < Joe> Joseph Onoroski, Lowell | |||
21:02 <@jokeefe> James O’Keefe, Somerville | |||
21:02 < srevilak> Steve Revilak, Arlington, MA | |||
21:02 < Malt> Sam capradae, Worcester | |||
21:02 <@jokeefe> Anything to add? | |||
21:03 < Malt> Non | |||
21:03 <@jokeefe> Decisions/Endorsements | |||
21:03 <@jokeefe> Covid-19 Planning | |||
21:03 <@jokeefe> Thoughts on where this is going? | |||
21:04 < srevilak> Well, we've been successful in practicing weekly social | |||
distancing for years now | |||
21:04 < Malt> Bad places | |||
21:04 < Joe> It's either a lot worse than what they are telling us or | |||
it will all blow over soon. | |||
21:04 < Malt> We don't know how bad it is | |||
21:04 < Malt> Noone does | |||
21:04 < Malt> We don't have the tests | |||
21:04 < Joe> By the way that they are closing preschools and kindergardens | |||
I would lean towards worse. | |||
21:05 < srevilak> The state has closed schools and banned large | |||
gatherings. | |||
21:05 < srevilak> I'm spending a lot of time cooped in my room. | |||
21:05 < srevilak> I work here, I recreate here | |||
21:06 <@jokeefe> Yeah, got four of us in the house | |||
21:07 < Malt> Yiwza | |||
21:07 < Malt> Yowza | |||
21:07 < srevilak> On the bright side, I'm still able to get bike riding in | |||
21:08 < srevilak> Perhaps this is warmup for future climate related | |||
disasters | |||
21:08 <@jokeefe> Think there will be stay at home order? | |||
21:08 < Joe> Gov practicing citizen control? | |||
21:09 <@jokeefe> Leave no crisis unexploited | |||
21:09 <@jokeefe> Just like 2008 | |||
21:09 < srevilak> Even CA's stay at home order allows people to go out and | |||
exercise. You just have to do it yourself, or with someone you live with | |||
21:09 < Joe> Each one another chance to strip away our rights. | |||
21:09 < Malt> Stay at home probably not | |||
21:10 <@jokeefe> The PATRIOT Act renewal didn’t pass. | |||
21:10 < srevilak> In the grand scheme of things, it's serious, it's | |||
inconvenient, but I've been through worse | |||
21:11 <@jokeefe> They have ~75 days to amend it | |||
21:11 < Malt> Just fucked we do this to save old people but nothing to | |||
stop climate change | |||
21:11 < Malt> Good on the Patriot act! | |||
21:11 <@jokeefe> Not just old people | |||
21:11 < srevilak> jokeefe: at least that's good new on the patriot act | |||
21:11 <@jokeefe> yes | |||
21:11 < Malt> I know, one of my friends tested positive | |||
21:12 < Joe> Didn't this have a temp affect on climate change? | |||
21:12 < Malt> It won't last | |||
21:12 < srevilak> Joe: yes, reduced emissions. No travelling | |||
21:13 <@jokeefe> How long did it take the Chinese to get it under control? | |||
Two months? | |||
21:14 < Malt> Massive social control | |||
21:15 < Joe> 4 | |||
21:15 < Joe> 4 plus | |||
21:16 < Joe> Started in November, just closed the last temp hospital | |||
last week | |||
21:16 <@jokeefe> Taiwan used phone/GPS tracking to id people who were | |||
carriers | |||
21:16 <@jokeefe> They want to do that here | |||
21:17 <@jokeefe> | |||
https://twitter.com/drewharwell/status/1239982234918105093 | |||
21:18 <@jokeefe> Where do you think this will go? | |||
21:19 < Joe> I think that things will get locked down more. | |||
21:19 < srevilak> In the grand scheme of things, we will have seen worse | |||
21:19 < Malt> It's a dry run for what's coming | |||
21:19 < Joe> This is a golden opportunity for the gov to flex it's | |||
power. In the end, I think that the virus will do minimal damage. | |||
21:20 < Malt> It's the format trump will use when he takes full control | |||
21:21 < srevilak> I think of Laos, Dresden, Hiroshima | |||
21:21 < srevilak> Being cooped up at home isn't so bad | |||
21:21 <@jokeefe> On the first topic, it may be good that the | |||
administration is not competent. Unfortunately that affects how many | |||
people will die as well | |||
21:21 < srevilak> There's going to be an interesting effect on town | |||
government | |||
21:21 <@jokeefe> Virtual meetings? | |||
21:22 < Joe> Well, we did see him try to down play it at first because | |||
he did not want his perfect economy ruined. | |||
21:22 < srevilak> We rely on April elections and a spring town meeting | |||
in order to elect reps, pass budgets, etc | |||
21:22 < Malt> I think he's going to flank the Dems from the left | |||
21:22 < srevilak> The average age of an Arlington poll worker is 70 | |||
21:22 < srevilak> So an April 4th election isn't a great idea | |||
21:23 < Malt> Universal health care but it's a giant corporate panopticon | |||
21:23 <@jokeefe> Galvin doesn’t seem keen to push back elections | |||
21:23 < Malt> Alphabet's COVID site is a HIPAAviolating nightmare | |||
21:23 < srevilak> Yeah. There are 351-56=295 towns in MA | |||
21:23 <@jokeefe> yeah | |||
21:24 < srevilak> spring town meetings will be an interesting bit | |||
21:24 < srevilak> If we don't pass budgets and have them approved by | |||
the AG | |||
21:24 < srevilak> when 7/1/2020 comes around, we can't spend money | |||
21:25 < Malt> Yikes | |||
21:25 < srevilak> COVID is one thing. Lack of working water, sewer, | |||
trash pickup is another | |||
21:25 <@jokeefe> no emergency powers? | |||
21:25 <@jokeefe> agree on that point | |||
21:25 < srevilak> jokeefe: that may have to come from the governor | |||
21:26 <@jokeefe> Still so many unemployed, without income, will harm | |||
so many. $1000/person isn’t much. | |||
21:26 < Malt> Glad unemployment is kicking in for folks | |||
21:27 <@jokeefe> Most of Trump’s bailout wouldn’t go to people | |||
21:27 < Joe> Go to the landlords, really | |||
21:28 < Malt> Ugh | |||
21:28 < Malt> We should push a rent strike | |||
21:28 <@jokeefe> I was thinking corporations | |||
21:28 < srevilak> Foreclosures add an interesting angle. Can't shelter | |||
in place if you've got no place | |||
21:29 <@jokeefe> Land lords are already threatening to put people out | |||
21:29 < Malt> We gotta get behind the moratorium | |||
21:32 <@jokeefe> Certainly for houses owned by hedgefunds | |||
21:32 <@jokeefe> Got a link? | |||
21:33 < Malt> | |||
Lhttps://www.google.com/amp/s/www.boston.com/news/local-news/2020/03/13/massachusetts-eviction-moratorium-coronavirus/amp | |||
21:33 < Malt> There was a petition circulating but I can't find it | |||
21:33 <@jokeefe> Also heard from MAAPL about a foreclosure moratorium | |||
21:34 < Malt> I think that's just public housing | |||
21:35 <@jokeefe> Thanks, Malt | |||
21:36 <@jokeefe> Estimates for how long the assembly limitations and | |||
social distancing will last? | |||
21:36 < Malt> A year | |||
21:37 < Joe> I am sorry my mates, but unfortunately I have a brutal day | |||
tomorrow. May I be excused? | |||
21:38 <@jokeefe> Go for it. | |||
21:38 <@jokeefe> Stay safe | |||
21:38 < Joe> I trust in any decisions you make. | |||
21:38 < Joe> GN | |||
21:38 <@jokeefe> night | |||
21:41 < Malt> I've seen one quote say 18 months | |||
21:41 <@jokeefe> seen that too | |||
21:41 < srevilak> Poo flows downhill. Woe is you who lives in the valley | |||
21:42 < Malt> And! It might be recurring | |||
21:42 < Malt> Yearly | |||
21:43 <@jokeefe> If it lasts that long, it could help Trump win in | |||
November | |||
21:45 < Malt> The Democrats are blundering a response | |||
21:46 <@jokeefe> Ain’t that the truth | |||
https://twitter.com/justinamash/status/1239953883943878656 | |||
21:47 <@jokeefe> And the sick leave program doesn’t cover every worker | |||
21:47 < srevilak> FWIW, I just told my tennant that April rent is on | |||
the house | |||
21:47 <@jokeefe> Expect whatever UBI will be means tested | |||
21:48 < Malt> The sick leave bill is a joke | |||
21:48 <@jokeefe> just so the the 1% won’t get a $1000 | |||
21:48 < srevilak> Are we going to do a pirate news this Sunday? | |||
21:48 <@jokeefe> I was planning to | |||
21:48 <@jokeefe> 6pm ok? | |||
21:49 < srevilak> fine by me | |||
21:49 < srevilak> I'll be home | |||
21:49 < srevilak> :) | |||
21:49 <@jokeefe> lol | |||
21:49 <@jokeefe> Malt? | |||
21:49 < Malt> Yeah | |||
21:51 <@jokeefe> srevilak - shall we try an on-line tech meeting? | |||
21:51 < srevilak> sure | |||
21:53 <@jokeefe> Shall we adjourn then? | |||
21:54 < Malt> Ok | |||
21:55 < srevilak> aye | |||
21:55 <@jokeefe> stay safe | |||
21:55 < Malt> Night pals | |||
21:55 < srevilak> will post transcript | |||
21:55 <@jokeefe> thanks | |||
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Latest revision as of 20:57, 18 March 2020
Review
Decisions/Endorsements
Covid-19 Planning
Projects
Goals for Q1 2020:
- Organize meetups
- Organize Fundraiser
- Organize candidate trainings
- Revise platform
Regional Meetings/Events
All meetings on hold dues to Covid-19.
Leader: jokeefe
-Lowell Meetup 3/21-
- Boston (jokeefe) - E5 is open on Saturdays. Emailed poll for setting a date.
- Worcester (Malt)
- Boston Pride Festival
- table booked
- setup signup sheet
- Announce
- Need to purchase insurance
- Need volunteer sign up form
- Tie to an activity, mapping the CCTV cameras in Boston or along the Pride parade route?
Video Newsletter/Podcast
Leader: Joseph
- Next pirate news recording scheduled for Sunday, 6pm unless changed
Computer Donations
On hold
- srevilak/jokeefe working on sign up form.
- Joe Location still being worked on.
Bills
Right to Repair
- out of committee
- next email will urge supporters to call their state senator/rep. and urge them to support it
- see if people willing to setup meeting with reps.
Facial Recognition and other bills still in committee.
Platform Discussion
Moved to 2020 Platform Discussion
Democracy and Dogfood (Tech)
-Next meeting will be 4/12, 2-4pm, Mr Crêpe?, 51 Davis Sq, Somerville.-
Topics are:
- find discussion/voting system;
- update CCTV cameras to include older cameras outside North America we didn't include;
- write an app to record the location/ownership of CCTV cameras;
- set up torrents for PirateCon videos (creynolds);
- post remaining audio for PirateCon talks (srevilak).
Tabled Projects
National Party
Boston Sex Worker Petition
FOSS Tutorials
Worcester farm group is interested in having some FOSS tutorials. Perhaps:
- how to do basic labels in GIMP,
- work through a few sample spreadsheets related to seed cost and
- similarly applicable real-world situations, depending on the needs of the group
Basically how to do graph design & product management with open source tools. Malt will put together a one paragraph description of what we need and we can mail it out to ask pirates to help.
Upcoming Events
- 3/10, 7-9pm, Mass MeshNet Tech Meeting, Encuentro 5, Boston
- 3/17, 7-9pm, Mass MeshNet Tech Meeting, Democracy Center, Cambridge
- 3/21, 10am-2pm, Lowell Meetup, Lowell Public Library
- 3/24, 7-9pm, Mass MeshNet Tech Meeting
- 4/7, 7-9pm, Mass MeshNet Tech Meeting, Culture House, Harvard Square
- 4/12, 2pm-4pm, Democracy and Dogfood (Tech) Meeting, Mr Crêpe?, 51 Davis Sq, Somerville
- 4/29, 7-9pm, Boston Cryptoparty, Encuentro 5, Boston
- April 2020, ?, Boston Meetup
- Spring 2020, ?, Worcester Meetup
- Spring 2020, ?, Springfield Meetup
Participants
- jokeefe (James O’Keefe, Somerville)
- srevilak (Steve Revilak, Arlington, MA)
- Malt (Sam capradae, Worcester)
- Joe (Joseph Onoroski, Lowell)
Observers
- davidd
- ChanServ
- hvxgr
- Deffy
Summary
Lots of chatting about COVID-19.
We'll do a pirate news recording at 6pm on Sunday.
Minutes
21:02 <@jokeefe> Agenda - https://masspirates.org/wiki/March_18th,_2020_IRC_Meeting 21:02 <@jokeefe> ids 21:02 < Joe> Joseph Onoroski, Lowell 21:02 <@jokeefe> James O’Keefe, Somerville 21:02 < srevilak> Steve Revilak, Arlington, MA 21:02 < Malt> Sam capradae, Worcester 21:02 <@jokeefe> Anything to add? 21:03 < Malt> Non 21:03 <@jokeefe> Decisions/Endorsements 21:03 <@jokeefe> Covid-19 Planning 21:03 <@jokeefe> Thoughts on where this is going? 21:04 < srevilak> Well, we've been successful in practicing weekly social distancing for years now 21:04 < Malt> Bad places 21:04 < Joe> It's either a lot worse than what they are telling us or it will all blow over soon. 21:04 < Malt> We don't know how bad it is 21:04 < Malt> Noone does 21:04 < Malt> We don't have the tests 21:04 < Joe> By the way that they are closing preschools and kindergardens I would lean towards worse. 21:05 < srevilak> The state has closed schools and banned large gatherings. 21:05 < srevilak> I'm spending a lot of time cooped in my room. 21:05 < srevilak> I work here, I recreate here 21:06 <@jokeefe> Yeah, got four of us in the house 21:07 < Malt> Yiwza 21:07 < Malt> Yowza 21:07 < srevilak> On the bright side, I'm still able to get bike riding in 21:08 < srevilak> Perhaps this is warmup for future climate related disasters 21:08 <@jokeefe> Think there will be stay at home order? 21:08 < Joe> Gov practicing citizen control? 21:09 <@jokeefe> Leave no crisis unexploited 21:09 <@jokeefe> Just like 2008 21:09 < srevilak> Even CA's stay at home order allows people to go out and exercise. You just have to do it yourself, or with someone you live with 21:09 < Joe> Each one another chance to strip away our rights. 21:09 < Malt> Stay at home probably not 21:10 <@jokeefe> The PATRIOT Act renewal didn’t pass. 21:10 < srevilak> In the grand scheme of things, it's serious, it's inconvenient, but I've been through worse 21:11 <@jokeefe> They have ~75 days to amend it 21:11 < Malt> Just fucked we do this to save old people but nothing to stop climate change 21:11 < Malt> Good on the Patriot act! 21:11 <@jokeefe> Not just old people 21:11 < srevilak> jokeefe: at least that's good new on the patriot act 21:11 <@jokeefe> yes 21:11 < Malt> I know, one of my friends tested positive 21:12 < Joe> Didn't this have a temp affect on climate change? 21:12 < Malt> It won't last 21:12 < srevilak> Joe: yes, reduced emissions. No travelling 21:13 <@jokeefe> How long did it take the Chinese to get it under control? Two months? 21:14 < Malt> Massive social control 21:15 < Joe> 4 21:15 < Joe> 4 plus 21:16 < Joe> Started in November, just closed the last temp hospital last week 21:16 <@jokeefe> Taiwan used phone/GPS tracking to id people who were carriers 21:16 <@jokeefe> They want to do that here 21:17 <@jokeefe> https://twitter.com/drewharwell/status/1239982234918105093 21:18 <@jokeefe> Where do you think this will go? 21:19 < Joe> I think that things will get locked down more. 21:19 < srevilak> In the grand scheme of things, we will have seen worse 21:19 < Malt> It's a dry run for what's coming 21:19 < Joe> This is a golden opportunity for the gov to flex it's power. In the end, I think that the virus will do minimal damage. 21:20 < Malt> It's the format trump will use when he takes full control 21:21 < srevilak> I think of Laos, Dresden, Hiroshima 21:21 < srevilak> Being cooped up at home isn't so bad 21:21 <@jokeefe> On the first topic, it may be good that the administration is not competent. Unfortunately that affects how many people will die as well 21:21 < srevilak> There's going to be an interesting effect on town government 21:21 <@jokeefe> Virtual meetings? 21:22 < Joe> Well, we did see him try to down play it at first because he did not want his perfect economy ruined. 21:22 < srevilak> We rely on April elections and a spring town meeting in order to elect reps, pass budgets, etc 21:22 < Malt> I think he's going to flank the Dems from the left 21:22 < srevilak> The average age of an Arlington poll worker is 70 21:22 < srevilak> So an April 4th election isn't a great idea 21:23 < Malt> Universal health care but it's a giant corporate panopticon 21:23 <@jokeefe> Galvin doesn’t seem keen to push back elections 21:23 < Malt> Alphabet's COVID site is a HIPAAviolating nightmare 21:23 < srevilak> Yeah. There are 351-56=295 towns in MA 21:23 <@jokeefe> yeah 21:24 < srevilak> spring town meetings will be an interesting bit 21:24 < srevilak> If we don't pass budgets and have them approved by the AG 21:24 < srevilak> when 7/1/2020 comes around, we can't spend money 21:25 < Malt> Yikes 21:25 < srevilak> COVID is one thing. Lack of working water, sewer, trash pickup is another 21:25 <@jokeefe> no emergency powers? 21:25 <@jokeefe> agree on that point 21:25 < srevilak> jokeefe: that may have to come from the governor 21:26 <@jokeefe> Still so many unemployed, without income, will harm so many. $1000/person isn’t much. 21:26 < Malt> Glad unemployment is kicking in for folks 21:27 <@jokeefe> Most of Trump’s bailout wouldn’t go to people 21:27 < Joe> Go to the landlords, really 21:28 < Malt> Ugh 21:28 < Malt> We should push a rent strike 21:28 <@jokeefe> I was thinking corporations 21:28 < srevilak> Foreclosures add an interesting angle. Can't shelter in place if you've got no place 21:29 <@jokeefe> Land lords are already threatening to put people out 21:29 < Malt> We gotta get behind the moratorium 21:32 <@jokeefe> Certainly for houses owned by hedgefunds 21:32 <@jokeefe> Got a link? 21:33 < Malt> Lhttps://www.google.com/amp/s/www.boston.com/news/local-news/2020/03/13/massachusetts-eviction-moratorium-coronavirus/amp 21:33 < Malt> There was a petition circulating but I can't find it 21:33 <@jokeefe> Also heard from MAAPL about a foreclosure moratorium 21:34 < Malt> I think that's just public housing 21:35 <@jokeefe> Thanks, Malt 21:36 <@jokeefe> Estimates for how long the assembly limitations and social distancing will last? 21:36 < Malt> A year 21:37 < Joe> I am sorry my mates, but unfortunately I have a brutal day tomorrow. May I be excused? 21:38 <@jokeefe> Go for it. 21:38 <@jokeefe> Stay safe 21:38 < Joe> I trust in any decisions you make. 21:38 < Joe> GN 21:38 <@jokeefe> night 21:41 < Malt> I've seen one quote say 18 months 21:41 <@jokeefe> seen that too 21:41 < srevilak> Poo flows downhill. Woe is you who lives in the valley 21:42 < Malt> And! It might be recurring 21:42 < Malt> Yearly 21:43 <@jokeefe> If it lasts that long, it could help Trump win in November 21:45 < Malt> The Democrats are blundering a response 21:46 <@jokeefe> Ain’t that the truth https://twitter.com/justinamash/status/1239953883943878656 21:47 <@jokeefe> And the sick leave program doesn’t cover every worker 21:47 < srevilak> FWIW, I just told my tennant that April rent is on the house 21:47 <@jokeefe> Expect whatever UBI will be means tested 21:48 < Malt> The sick leave bill is a joke 21:48 <@jokeefe> just so the the 1% won’t get a $1000 21:48 < srevilak> Are we going to do a pirate news this Sunday? 21:48 <@jokeefe> I was planning to 21:48 <@jokeefe> 6pm ok? 21:49 < srevilak> fine by me 21:49 < srevilak> I'll be home 21:49 < srevilak> :) 21:49 <@jokeefe> lol 21:49 <@jokeefe> Malt? 21:49 < Malt> Yeah 21:51 <@jokeefe> srevilak - shall we try an on-line tech meeting? 21:51 < srevilak> sure 21:53 <@jokeefe> Shall we adjourn then? 21:54 < Malt> Ok 21:55 < srevilak> aye 21:55 <@jokeefe> stay safe 21:55 < Malt> Night pals 21:55 < srevilak> will post transcript 21:55 <@jokeefe> thanks