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== Upcoming Events == | == Upcoming Events == | ||
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# 1/25, 6-9pm, Somerville Cryptoparty | # 1/25, 6-9pm, Somerville Cryptoparty | ||
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== Participants == | == Participants == | ||
* srevilak | * srevilak (Steve Revilak, Arlington) | ||
* G | * G (G, Lowell) | ||
* jokeefe_ | * jokeefe_ (James O’Keefe, Somerville) | ||
* servobunny (Chris) | |||
=== Observers === | === Observers === | ||
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== Summary == | == Summary == | ||
E5 Cryptoparty. Around 22 attending, which isn't bad for a weeknight between Christmas and New Years. One of the attendees provided some suggestions, re: how to organize future cryptoparties. We'll discuss on the cryptoparty list. | |||
CCTV mapping tip. Open street map does a nice rendering when you provide camera direction. | |||
MAAPL fight foreclosure campaign. Somerville event with MAAPL had ~ 10 people who were going to try to contest their foreclosure. Several filed affidavits. | |||
== Minutes == | == Minutes == | ||
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21:01 < jokeefe_> Agenda: | |||
https://masspirates.org/wiki/January_3rd,_2017_IRC_Meeting | |||
21:01 < papegaai> Title: January 3rd, 2017 IRC Meeting - Mass Pirate Wiki | |||
(at masspirates.org) | |||
21:01 < jokeefe_> ids | |||
21:01 < jokeefe_> James O’Keefe, Somerville | |||
21:02 < G> G, Lowell | |||
21:02 < srevilak> Steve Revilak, Arlington | |||
21:03 < jokeefe_> Any additions to the agenda? | |||
21:03 < srevilak> I have one minor think to report, re CCTV map (when | |||
the time comes) | |||
21:03 < G> negative | |||
21:05 < srevilak> hi servobunny | |||
21:05 < G> ahoy! | |||
21:05 < jokeefe_> ahoy | |||
21:05 < servobunny> yo! | |||
21:06 < jokeefe_> ok, srevilak | |||
21:06 < jokeefe_> Review | |||
21:06 < jokeefe_> e5 Cryptoparty | |||
21:06 < jokeefe_> Seemed to go well | |||
21:07 < jokeefe_> I counted 22 people, which is decent during the holidays | |||
21:07 < jokeefe_> started with threat models and choosing passwords | |||
21:07 < servobunny> I thought it was a very good turn out, numbers wise | |||
21:07 < jokeefe_> then had different breakout sessions | |||
21:08 < servobunny> note to self - don't hand out sheet of paper and | |||
ask every one to read it to themself | |||
21:08 < jokeefe_> agreed | |||
21:09 < srevilak> one attendee commented (at length) about how he'd | |||
prefer to see the event organized. | |||
21:09 < servobunny> most likely that was me | |||
21:10 < srevilak> That said, the attendee said he was interested in | |||
coming to the next event | |||
21:10 < srevilak> servobunny: what's your first name? | |||
21:10 < servobunny> chris | |||
21:10 < srevilak> yes, It was you :) | |||
21:11 < srevilak> I thought the suggestion re: breakout groups by skill | |||
level would be worth trying | |||
21:12 < jokeefe_> suggest that folks bring the discussion to the | |||
cryptoparty list | |||
21:12 < srevilak> jokeefe_: sounds good | |||
21:13 < jokeefe_> G: how did protests go on new years eve | |||
21:13 < jokeefe_> ? | |||
21:13 < G> oh those? awful. lol | |||
21:13 < G> the attendance was very low | |||
21:14 < G> i would have thought the Dems would have been more mobile to | |||
start gearing up the antiwar but.... nah | |||
21:14 < jokeefe_> I think they have bought into the GWoT | |||
21:15 < G> wut? | |||
21:15 < jokeefe_> Global War on Terror? | |||
21:15 < srevilak> global war 'o terror | |||
21:15 < srevilak> yeah, what jokeefe_ said :) | |||
21:16 < G> everyone is sold into it. but now that it is a Repub taking | |||
office they will start protesting Trump's wars | |||
21:16 < G> lol | |||
21:16 < servobunny> exactly | |||
21:17 < srevilak> Speaking of which, Stephen Lynch may have a challenger | |||
in 2018 | |||
21:17 < srevilak> | |||
http://www.yourarlington.com/search/news-archive/357-local/7917-area-news.html | |||
21:17 < papegaai> Title: Index of / (at www.yourarlington.com) | |||
21:18 < G> Pirate? | |||
21:18 < jokeefe_> Brianna Wu, that will be interesting | |||
21:18 < jokeefe_> running in the primary | |||
21:18 < G> wtf brb this chat window is pissing me off | |||
21:19 < servobunny> can I ask technical questions? | |||
21:19 < srevilak> sure | |||
21:19 < G> back :) | |||
21:19 < jokeefe_> welcome | |||
21:20 < G> is this person running as a Pirate? this gamer gate lady? | |||
21:20 < jokeefe_> nope, Dem | |||
21:20 < G> well that's lame | |||
21:20 < servobunny> I only have 2gigs of personal data, not counting | |||
photos/videos, why would I want to encrypt my entire harddrive? | |||
21:21 < G> anything that can be encrypted already has a crack and someone | |||
already has the key... O:) | |||
21:21 < jokeefe_> makes it harder to decrypt | |||
21:22 < jokeefe_> but you could just encrypt your personal data | |||
21:22 < servobunny> sorry - I have a 3gig volume using VeraCrypt for my | |||
personal data, why would I want to encrypt my entire harddrive | |||
21:24 < srevilak> servobunny: depends on your level of comfort. (e.g., | |||
are there any applications writing (say) logs outside your Veracrypt | |||
partition that reveal PI)? | |||
21:25 < servobunny> ok | |||
21:25 < jokeefe_> Projects | |||
21:25 < jokeefe_> Local Surveillance Ordinances | |||
21:26 * srevilak will hopefully be able to set up a meeting with town | |||
counsel this week | |||
21:27 < jokeefe_> what else about the CCTV map? | |||
21:27 < srevilak> planning to discuss limits of a warrant article, etc. | |||
Will also try to get a read on whether town is interested in pursuing | |||
policy, in absense of a warrant article | |||
21:28 < srevilak> CCTV map: 2 items | |||
21:28 < srevilak> Added cctv.masspirates.org to | |||
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man_made%3Dsurveillance#Rendering | |||
21:28 < papegaai> Title: Tag:man_made=surveillance - OpenStreetMap Wiki | |||
(at wiki.openstreetmap.org) | |||
21:28 < jokeefe_> thanks | |||
21:29 < srevilak> (2) OSM does some neat rendering, if you fill in the | |||
attribute for camera direction | |||
21:30 < srevilak> (end of minor bits, re: cctv map) | |||
21:31 < jokeefe_> I like how you added that to the camera data | |||
21:31 < srevilak> next time we have a talk about mapping cctv cameras, | |||
I can do a short example with OSMs web interface | |||
21:33 < servobunny> there was an effort, aclu maybe, where people could | |||
use twitter/snapchat to send in locations of cctv in Boston. I can try | |||
and find that web site again | |||
21:33 < jokeefe_> that would be good. Could have the hackathon focus on | |||
the camera mapping software | |||
21:33 < jokeefe_> #BINJBrother | |||
21:34 < jokeefe_> yeah, that was part of the reason we added | |||
cctv.masspirates.org | |||
21:34 < jokeefe_> MAAPL Fight Foreclosure Campaign | |||
21:35 < jokeefe_> Somerville event had ten people who were fighting | |||
their foreclosure. Looks like there will be more | |||
21:36 < srevilak> a couple of people filed affidavits, contesting their | |||
foreclosures. Very happy about that | |||
21:36 < jokeefe_> and the software worked so well | |||
21:37 < servobunny> are traffic cameras also mapped/counted? | |||
21:37 < jokeefe_> yes | |||
21:37 < srevilak> servobunny: yes, if someone maps them | |||
21:38 < srevilak> jokeefe_: I'm hoping we can get some use out of | |||
my.maapl.info going forward | |||
21:38 < jokeefe_> agreed | |||
21:38 * srevilak also has one affidavit bug to fix. Writes note to | |||
self on stickie | |||
21:39 < servobunny> what is this foreclosure software people speak of? | |||
21:40 < srevilak> servobunny: data intake system, built with civicrm. | |||
Basic idea is to collect information, and use that to generate legal | |||
documents | |||
21:40 < jokeefe_> might be good to see if there is a way to streamline the | |||
process. remembered how you were able to skip a bunch of pages because | |||
they didn’t apply. perhaps there could be a checklist that limits the | |||
pages shown. | |||
21:42 < srevilak> yeah, in retrospect I wish I'd done more with civi | |||
profiles (as opposed to webform_civirm). | |||
21:43 < srevilak> would likely require more user training, but once | |||
trained, might be faster to use | |||
21:43 < srevilak> We'll see where things go | |||
21:44 < srevilak> servobunny: ultimate goal of the effort was to help | |||
people contest illegal foreclosures | |||
21:44 < srevilak> There are lots of them still hanging around from the | |||
2008 financial crisis | |||
21:46 < jokeefe_> G: any update on calling local chapters? | |||
21:47 < G> i'm still stuck on what we are calling them for? we don't seem | |||
to have our state chapter organized i'm not sure how to call people up | |||
to emulate our organization | |||
21:48 < jokeefe_> we want them to start local chapters, call people in | |||
their area and see if they can get them to meet | |||
21:49 < G> shouldn't we get our meetings built up first? | |||
21:49 < G> there's 4 of us here | |||
21:50 < jokeefe_> need to decentralize more | |||
21:51 < jokeefe_> state meetings once a week only go so far | |||
21:51 < jokeefe_> need people organizing locally | |||
21:52 < jokeefe_> does what work? | |||
21:52 < G> i do not see how that works, no | |||
21:53 < G> how many members are we? | |||
21:53 < jokeefe_> 400+ | |||
21:53 < G> so only 1% of us turn into IRC? | |||
21:54 < jokeefe_> today, other times it is twice that | |||
21:56 < jokeefe_> so we have people who said they wanted to start local | |||
chapters | |||
21:56 < jokeefe_> time to take them up on that offer | |||
21:56 < jokeefe_> encourage them | |||
21:57 < G> i'm not encouraged. i don't see a party being built. i see | |||
projects that are not political | |||
21:57 < jokeefe_> give them tools, or skills, contact lists and say go: | |||
organize locally | |||
21:57 < jokeefe_> keep in touch with them | |||
21:57 < G> so i don't know what to tell people. if someone asks me | |||
"what are the MAs sPirates doing" i say... helping the MAAPL i guess | |||
21:57 < jokeefe_> so they have someone to answer their questions or | |||
give advice | |||
21:59 < jokeefe_> What have we done: trained people to be candidates, | |||
supported candidates, helped people protect their privacy from the NSA, | |||
the Russians or whomever and yes fight the banksters who are trying to | |||
steel people’s homes with the help of the legislature | |||
21:59 < jokeefe_> not enough? | |||
22:00 < G> what are we doing now? what's our legislative goal? | |||
22:01 < srevilak> we are at time | |||
22:01 < G> Assange is on Hannity right now btw | |||
22:02 < jokeefe_> thanks | |||
22:02 < srevilak> motion to adjourn | |||
22:02 < jokeefe_> lets talk later. email work? | |||
22:02 < jokeefe_> G? | |||
22:02 < G> email me up | |||
22:02 < jokeefe_> will do | |||
22:02 < jokeefe_> 2nd on motion to adjourn | |||
22:02 < G> or FB. i'll be here at the PC watching Assange for the hour | |||
22:03 < jokeefe_> ok | |||
22:03 < jokeefe_> all in favor? | |||
22:03 < srevilak> aye | |||
22:03 < G> aye | |||
22:03 < jokeefe_> srevilak, you have the notes? | |||
22:03 < jokeefe_> aye | |||
22:04 < srevilak> jokeefe_: will do | |||
22:04 < jokeefe_> thanks | |||
</nowiki> | </nowiki> | ||
Latest revision as of 23:06, 3 January 2017
Review
Endorsements
Projects
Local Surveillance Ordinances
MAAPL Fight Foreclosure Campaign
Campaign Workshops
jokeefe & srevilak are running down some possible workshops:
- Holyoke
- Boston
Cryptoparties
Starting Local Chapters
Fundraising & Conference
Will send out a survey to pick the final date in email this week. See last meetings discussion for possible date options.
Projects On Hold For the Moment
Both of these could be topics for future hackathons.
CCTV Camera Map
Together Boston Meshnet
Upcoming Events
- 1/21, 2-4pm, Democracy/IT meeting, Arlington
- 1/25, 6-9pm, Somerville Cryptoparty
- 1/?, ?, e5 cryptoparty
- 3/24, 3-5pm, Annoying Legislators for Freedom: A talk with Alex Marthews, National Director of Restore the 4th, Encuentro 5, 9A Hamilton Place, Boston
- 4/15, BSides Boston Conference, Harvard University - Science Center, 1 Oxford St, Cambridge, MA 02138. Call for Papers is open.
Participants
- srevilak (Steve Revilak, Arlington)
- G (G, Lowell)
- jokeefe_ (James O’Keefe, Somerville)
- servobunny (Chris)
Observers
- david
- igel
- papegaai
Summary
E5 Cryptoparty. Around 22 attending, which isn't bad for a weeknight between Christmas and New Years. One of the attendees provided some suggestions, re: how to organize future cryptoparties. We'll discuss on the cryptoparty list.
CCTV mapping tip. Open street map does a nice rendering when you provide camera direction.
MAAPL fight foreclosure campaign. Somerville event with MAAPL had ~ 10 people who were going to try to contest their foreclosure. Several filed affidavits.
Minutes
21:01 < jokeefe_> Agenda:
https://masspirates.org/wiki/January_3rd,_2017_IRC_Meeting
21:01 < papegaai> Title: January 3rd, 2017 IRC Meeting - Mass Pirate Wiki
(at masspirates.org)
21:01 < jokeefe_> ids
21:01 < jokeefe_> James O’Keefe, Somerville
21:02 < G> G, Lowell
21:02 < srevilak> Steve Revilak, Arlington
21:03 < jokeefe_> Any additions to the agenda?
21:03 < srevilak> I have one minor think to report, re CCTV map (when
the time comes)
21:03 < G> negative
21:05 < srevilak> hi servobunny
21:05 < G> ahoy!
21:05 < jokeefe_> ahoy
21:05 < servobunny> yo!
21:06 < jokeefe_> ok, srevilak
21:06 < jokeefe_> Review
21:06 < jokeefe_> e5 Cryptoparty
21:06 < jokeefe_> Seemed to go well
21:07 < jokeefe_> I counted 22 people, which is decent during the holidays
21:07 < jokeefe_> started with threat models and choosing passwords
21:07 < servobunny> I thought it was a very good turn out, numbers wise
21:07 < jokeefe_> then had different breakout sessions
21:08 < servobunny> note to self - don't hand out sheet of paper and
ask every one to read it to themself
21:08 < jokeefe_> agreed
21:09 < srevilak> one attendee commented (at length) about how he'd
prefer to see the event organized.
21:09 < servobunny> most likely that was me
21:10 < srevilak> That said, the attendee said he was interested in
coming to the next event
21:10 < srevilak> servobunny: what's your first name?
21:10 < servobunny> chris
21:10 < srevilak> yes, It was you :)
21:11 < srevilak> I thought the suggestion re: breakout groups by skill
level would be worth trying
21:12 < jokeefe_> suggest that folks bring the discussion to the
cryptoparty list
21:12 < srevilak> jokeefe_: sounds good
21:13 < jokeefe_> G: how did protests go on new years eve
21:13 < jokeefe_> ?
21:13 < G> oh those? awful. lol
21:13 < G> the attendance was very low
21:14 < G> i would have thought the Dems would have been more mobile to
start gearing up the antiwar but.... nah
21:14 < jokeefe_> I think they have bought into the GWoT
21:15 < G> wut?
21:15 < jokeefe_> Global War on Terror?
21:15 < srevilak> global war 'o terror
21:15 < srevilak> yeah, what jokeefe_ said :)
21:16 < G> everyone is sold into it. but now that it is a Repub taking
office they will start protesting Trump's wars
21:16 < G> lol
21:16 < servobunny> exactly
21:17 < srevilak> Speaking of which, Stephen Lynch may have a challenger
in 2018
21:17 < srevilak>
http://www.yourarlington.com/search/news-archive/357-local/7917-area-news.html
21:17 < papegaai> Title: Index of / (at www.yourarlington.com)
21:18 < G> Pirate?
21:18 < jokeefe_> Brianna Wu, that will be interesting
21:18 < jokeefe_> running in the primary
21:18 < G> wtf brb this chat window is pissing me off
21:19 < servobunny> can I ask technical questions?
21:19 < srevilak> sure
21:19 < G> back :)
21:19 < jokeefe_> welcome
21:20 < G> is this person running as a Pirate? this gamer gate lady?
21:20 < jokeefe_> nope, Dem
21:20 < G> well that's lame
21:20 < servobunny> I only have 2gigs of personal data, not counting
photos/videos, why would I want to encrypt my entire harddrive?
21:21 < G> anything that can be encrypted already has a crack and someone
already has the key... O:)
21:21 < jokeefe_> makes it harder to decrypt
21:22 < jokeefe_> but you could just encrypt your personal data
21:22 < servobunny> sorry - I have a 3gig volume using VeraCrypt for my
personal data, why would I want to encrypt my entire harddrive
21:24 < srevilak> servobunny: depends on your level of comfort. (e.g.,
are there any applications writing (say) logs outside your Veracrypt
partition that reveal PI)?
21:25 < servobunny> ok
21:25 < jokeefe_> Projects
21:25 < jokeefe_> Local Surveillance Ordinances
21:26 * srevilak will hopefully be able to set up a meeting with town
counsel this week
21:27 < jokeefe_> what else about the CCTV map?
21:27 < srevilak> planning to discuss limits of a warrant article, etc.
Will also try to get a read on whether town is interested in pursuing
policy, in absense of a warrant article
21:28 < srevilak> CCTV map: 2 items
21:28 < srevilak> Added cctv.masspirates.org to
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man_made%3Dsurveillance#Rendering
21:28 < papegaai> Title: Tag:man_made=surveillance - OpenStreetMap Wiki
(at wiki.openstreetmap.org)
21:28 < jokeefe_> thanks
21:29 < srevilak> (2) OSM does some neat rendering, if you fill in the
attribute for camera direction
21:30 < srevilak> (end of minor bits, re: cctv map)
21:31 < jokeefe_> I like how you added that to the camera data
21:31 < srevilak> next time we have a talk about mapping cctv cameras,
I can do a short example with OSMs web interface
21:33 < servobunny> there was an effort, aclu maybe, where people could
use twitter/snapchat to send in locations of cctv in Boston. I can try
and find that web site again
21:33 < jokeefe_> that would be good. Could have the hackathon focus on
the camera mapping software
21:33 < jokeefe_> #BINJBrother
21:34 < jokeefe_> yeah, that was part of the reason we added
cctv.masspirates.org
21:34 < jokeefe_> MAAPL Fight Foreclosure Campaign
21:35 < jokeefe_> Somerville event had ten people who were fighting
their foreclosure. Looks like there will be more
21:36 < srevilak> a couple of people filed affidavits, contesting their
foreclosures. Very happy about that
21:36 < jokeefe_> and the software worked so well
21:37 < servobunny> are traffic cameras also mapped/counted?
21:37 < jokeefe_> yes
21:37 < srevilak> servobunny: yes, if someone maps them
21:38 < srevilak> jokeefe_: I'm hoping we can get some use out of
my.maapl.info going forward
21:38 < jokeefe_> agreed
21:38 * srevilak also has one affidavit bug to fix. Writes note to
self on stickie
21:39 < servobunny> what is this foreclosure software people speak of?
21:40 < srevilak> servobunny: data intake system, built with civicrm.
Basic idea is to collect information, and use that to generate legal
documents
21:40 < jokeefe_> might be good to see if there is a way to streamline the
process. remembered how you were able to skip a bunch of pages because
they didn’t apply. perhaps there could be a checklist that limits the
pages shown.
21:42 < srevilak> yeah, in retrospect I wish I'd done more with civi
profiles (as opposed to webform_civirm).
21:43 < srevilak> would likely require more user training, but once
trained, might be faster to use
21:43 < srevilak> We'll see where things go
21:44 < srevilak> servobunny: ultimate goal of the effort was to help
people contest illegal foreclosures
21:44 < srevilak> There are lots of them still hanging around from the
2008 financial crisis
21:46 < jokeefe_> G: any update on calling local chapters?
21:47 < G> i'm still stuck on what we are calling them for? we don't seem
to have our state chapter organized i'm not sure how to call people up
to emulate our organization
21:48 < jokeefe_> we want them to start local chapters, call people in
their area and see if they can get them to meet
21:49 < G> shouldn't we get our meetings built up first?
21:49 < G> there's 4 of us here
21:50 < jokeefe_> need to decentralize more
21:51 < jokeefe_> state meetings once a week only go so far
21:51 < jokeefe_> need people organizing locally
21:52 < jokeefe_> does what work?
21:52 < G> i do not see how that works, no
21:53 < G> how many members are we?
21:53 < jokeefe_> 400+
21:53 < G> so only 1% of us turn into IRC?
21:54 < jokeefe_> today, other times it is twice that
21:56 < jokeefe_> so we have people who said they wanted to start local
chapters
21:56 < jokeefe_> time to take them up on that offer
21:56 < jokeefe_> encourage them
21:57 < G> i'm not encouraged. i don't see a party being built. i see
projects that are not political
21:57 < jokeefe_> give them tools, or skills, contact lists and say go:
organize locally
21:57 < jokeefe_> keep in touch with them
21:57 < G> so i don't know what to tell people. if someone asks me
"what are the MAs sPirates doing" i say... helping the MAAPL i guess
21:57 < jokeefe_> so they have someone to answer their questions or
give advice
21:59 < jokeefe_> What have we done: trained people to be candidates,
supported candidates, helped people protect their privacy from the NSA,
the Russians or whomever and yes fight the banksters who are trying to
steel people’s homes with the help of the legislature
21:59 < jokeefe_> not enough?
22:00 < G> what are we doing now? what's our legislative goal?
22:01 < srevilak> we are at time
22:01 < G> Assange is on Hannity right now btw
22:02 < jokeefe_> thanks
22:02 < srevilak> motion to adjourn
22:02 < jokeefe_> lets talk later. email work?
22:02 < jokeefe_> G?
22:02 < G> email me up
22:02 < jokeefe_> will do
22:02 < jokeefe_> 2nd on motion to adjourn
22:02 < G> or FB. i'll be here at the PC watching Assange for the hour
22:03 < jokeefe_> ok
22:03 < jokeefe_> all in favor?
22:03 < srevilak> aye
22:03 < G> aye
22:03 < jokeefe_> srevilak, you have the notes?
22:03 < jokeefe_> aye
22:04 < srevilak> jokeefe_: will do
22:04 < jokeefe_> thanks