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* Previous work | * Evaluating issue tracking/proj management sw (alternatives to jira), for dealing w/tech issues, or "agile activism"? | ||
* Previous work on planks: https://github.com/masspirates/planks | |||
* Results of the PirateCon discussion [https://masspirates.org/wiki/PirateCon_2017_Brainstorming_Session posted] | * Results of the PirateCon discussion [https://masspirates.org/wiki/PirateCon_2017_Brainstorming_Session posted] | ||
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* srevilak (Steve Revilak, Arlington) | * srevilak (Steve Revilak, Arlington) | ||
* Pepe (Garret K, Lowell) | |||
* hvxgr (Tom Rodman (Milwaukee)) | |||
=== Observers === | === Observers === | ||
* davidd | * davidd | ||
* igel | * igel | ||
* pagegaai | * pagegaai | ||
* mlemlemlem | |||
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21:05 < srevilak> agenda | |||
https://masspirates.org/wiki/May_30th,_2017_IRC_Meeting | |||
21:05 < papegaai> Title: May 30th, 2017 IRC Meeting - Mass Pirate Wiki | |||
(at masspirates.org) | |||
21:05 < srevilak> ids | |||
21:06 < srevilak> Steve Revilak, Arlington | |||
21:06 < mlemlemlem> hola | |||
21:06 < Pepe> Garret K, Lowell | |||
21:06 < hvxgr> Tom Rodman (Milwaukee) | |||
21:06 < srevilak> Projects | |||
21:07 < srevilak> Our elections | |||
21:07 < srevilak> since we didn't fit our elections into piratecon, | |||
we're making our first go at electronic voting | |||
21:07 < srevilak> It's ranked choice, with voting tokens: | |||
https://masspirates.org/wiki/Electronic_Voting_and_Voting_Tokens | |||
21:07 < papegaai> Title: Electronic Voting and Voting Tokens - Mass | |||
Pirate Wiki (at masspirates.org) | |||
21:08 < srevilak> We're nearly ready to send invitations to vote. | |||
21:09 < srevilak> jokeefe volunteered to do the mailing, and the ballot | |||
will stay open for a week. Then, we'll count the votes | |||
21:09 < Pepe> tokens. fancy | |||
21:09 < Pepe> :D | |||
21:10 < srevilak> electronic voting is tricky | |||
21:11 < srevilak> anything else on elections? | |||
21:11 < hvxgr> Can one use anonymous email? (I know I am not a member | |||
now) | |||
21:12 < srevilak> For voting? We didn't think of that for this election. | |||
But we could try it at some point in the future | |||
21:13 < hvxgr> I suppose it would be hard to hide from yourself who you | |||
emailed to though. | |||
21:14 < srevilak> Anonymous remailer perhaps? | |||
21:15 < srevilak> On to piratecon? | |||
21:15 < srevilak> PirateCon | |||
21:16 < srevilak> jokeefe said he got most of the video edited. It's just | |||
taking a while to upload | |||
21:16 < srevilak> He plans to put it on Mega, and youtube, I believe | |||
21:17 < Pepe> that the vid from PirateCon? | |||
21:17 < srevilak> ye | |||
21:17 < srevilak> ye | |||
21:17 < srevilak> yes | |||
21:17 < Pepe> cool. i missed the first speakers | |||
21:17 < Pepe> i wanted to catch Wendy's bit | |||
21:17 < srevilak> I haven't made as much progress on audio/podcasts. | |||
21:18 < srevilak> Have the first panel posted to | |||
https://archive.org/details/masspirates | |||
21:18 < papegaai> Title: Massachusetts Pirate Party : Free Audio : | |||
Download & Streaming : Internet Archive (at archive.org) | |||
21:18 < srevilak> Wendy gave a good talk | |||
21:18 < Pepe> she's a sharp tack | |||
21:19 < srevilak> Planks & Other Discussions | |||
21:20 < srevilak> jokeefe has been looking into software packages to | |||
facilitate discussions and collective decision making | |||
21:21 < srevilak> Loomio seems like a good candidate for the decision | |||
making piece. | |||
21:21 < srevilak> Hope is that we could use it to help round out the | |||
platform | |||
21:23 < srevilak> Probably need a working meeting to seed a couple of | |||
topics and send out invitations | |||
21:24 < srevilak> jamie's also been looking at myBB (general | |||
forum/discussion board), and something slack-like | |||
21:24 < srevilak> Challenge with maintaining data sovereignty: sometimes | |||
it's a lot of work :( | |||
21:25 < srevilak> hvxgr: what have you been looking at in terms of | |||
`agile activism' | |||
21:25 < hvxgr> redmine, bugzilla, tuleap ... | |||
21:26 < srevilak> have you looked at trac? | |||
21:26 < hvxgr> No, I think the name came up tho. | |||
21:26 < srevilak> A tech collective I work with uses trac as issue | |||
tracker + wiki + repository browser | |||
21:27 < hvxgr> | |||
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_issue-tracking_systems | |||
21:27 < papegaai> Title: Comparison of issue-tracking systems - Wikipedia | |||
(at en.wikipedia.org) | |||
21:27 < hvxgr> Phabricator also. | |||
21:28 < srevilak> have you found ones that work particularly well (or | |||
particularly not well?) | |||
21:28 < hvxgr> I'm thinking it may be a way for remote people to | |||
coordinate work / work together. In theory, you could do something | |||
like sprints also. | |||
21:30 < srevilak> I've always found it's a challenge to cross over from | |||
issue management to project management | |||
21:30 < hvxgr> I liked jira. One of the main things I liked was being | |||
able to use post simple plain text comments in jira issues using editor | |||
of my choice. | |||
21:31 < srevilak> That is a nice feature of Jira (along with | |||
project-specific workflows) | |||
21:31 < hvxgr> Issue management first in my opinion, but then i'm a | |||
detail/task oriented individual contributer type. | |||
21:32 < hvxgr> Workflows are nice. At the last job I had they kept them | |||
very simple, which was nice. | |||
21:33 < srevilak> I notice that | |||
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_issue-tracking_systems | |||
includes org-mode, which I'm personally a huge fan of | |||
21:33 < papegaai> Title: Comparison of issue-tracking systems - Wikipedia | |||
(at en.wikipedia.org) | |||
21:33 < hvxgr> I will look into 'trac'. | |||
21:33 < srevilak> but org-mode is more single user than a group tool | |||
21:34 < hvxgr> ( emacs org mode? ) I'm a vim person, but use GNUS | |||
sometimes. | |||
21:34 < srevilak> yes, http://orgmode.org/ | |||
21:34 < papegaai> Title: Org mode for Emacs Your Life in Plain Text | |||
(at orgmode.org) | |||
21:36 < srevilak> Shall we move on to local chapters? | |||
21:36 < hvxgr> Getting OT, I think, but I do use folds in vim. | |||
Sure/ready for nect topic. | |||
21:37 < srevilak> local chapters | |||
21:37 < srevilak> Jamie and Aaron have started to hold meetings in | |||
somerville | |||
21:37 < srevilak> We also have another fellow trying to get a boston | |||
chapter started | |||
21:38 < srevilak> I don't have much more to report than that | |||
21:38 < srevilak> Anything else on local chapters? | |||
21:39 < Pepe> no i don't think so | |||
21:39 < srevilak> Boston Pride Parade | |||
21:39 < srevilak> I've been building a mast :) | |||
21:40 < srevilak> Pride is June 10th. | |||
21:40 < srevilak> We'll get our lineup position a day or two in advance | |||
21:40 < srevilak> Pepe: will you be able to march with us? | |||
21:41 < Pepe> i don't do identity politics, sorry | |||
21:41 < srevilak> ok | |||
21:42 < srevilak> Still have prep work to do (promotion, flyers, and such) | |||
21:43 < srevilak> Day against DRM | |||
21:43 < srevilak> International day against DRM is Sunday July 9th | |||
21:43 < Pepe> k now we're talking. that's July? | |||
21:43 < srevilak> Yes, july | |||
21:44 < srevilak> Skimming over last week's notes, we'd been thinking | |||
of tabling | |||
21:44 < srevilak> I suppose a stand-out would work too | |||
21:45 < Pepe> i can help w either. i just got a new flag pole :D | |||
21:45 < srevilak> nice | |||
21:46 < srevilak> Any thoughts on where to do the event(s)? | |||
21:46 < Pepe> where? ....................... hmmmmmmm | |||
21:46 < srevilak> We could do more than one location | |||
21:47 < Pepe> is there any local orgs involved in this yet? | |||
21:47 < Pepe> are there ^^^ | |||
21:47 < srevilak> The FSF. | |||
21:48 < srevilak> A number of tech groups tend to get involved | |||
21:48 < Pepe> they haven't staked out a spot yet? i dunno who that is | |||
21:48 < srevilak> FSF : free software foundation | |||
21:48 < srevilak> They're the ones behind https://defectivebydesign.org/ | |||
21:48 < papegaai> Title: We oppose DRM. | Defective by Design (at | |||
defectivebydesign.org) | |||
21:49 < hvxgr> For tabling or marches, a couple of big yard sign sized | |||
pdfs might be good. I could do a simple protest (text) sign, get it | |||
printed at a fedx near you (they have wide paper plotters). | |||
21:49 < Pepe> gotcha. July 9 is a Sunday.... that can be | |||
tricky..... Cambride probably | |||
21:49 < Pepe> Cambridge. i think woudl have best reception based on | |||
demographics | |||
21:49 < srevilak> I think you're probably right | |||
21:50 < srevilak> Would it make sense to encourage folks to do events | |||
in their own areas? | |||
21:50 < Pepe> i mean... "hey go for it" if someone is so motivated | |||
21:50 < srevilak> (in addition to doing something in, say, Cambridge?) | |||
21:51 < srevilak> I like "hey go for it" | |||
21:51 < Pepe> ..........hmm. i wish i could get my local Lowellian pals | |||
to get involved we me, we could maybe do one here at the college | |||
21:51 < hvxgr> I can check with Joe Klein in MKE-- he has been a bit | |||
hard to reach lately. | |||
21:52 < Pepe> UMass Lowell... but i think Cambridge would have best | |||
reception from the community and therefore a better PR | |||
21:52 < srevilak> Sounds like good ideas to me | |||
21:52 < srevilak> There is a makerspace in Lowell -- we did a cryptoparty | |||
there once | |||
21:53 < srevilak> It may have been http://lowellmakes.com/ | |||
21:53 < papegaai> Title: Lowell Makes | Learning, Designing & Making: | |||
A new side of the creative economy — in Lowell! (at lowellmakes.com) | |||
21:53 < srevilak> They might be receptive to doing something | |||
21:54 < Pepe> maybe. i'll learn more about this and see if i can drum | |||
up and locals. i don't really know anyone out here or where anything is, | |||
but we'll see what i can find | |||
21:54 < srevilak> cool, thanks | |||
21:56 < srevilak> I'll see if I can put together a blog post/call | |||
to action | |||
21:56 < srevilak> Anything else? | |||
21:57 < Pepe> nah i think that's it. i'd move to adjourn i think | |||
21:57 < srevilak> I'll second your motion | |||
21:57 < srevilak> All in favor? | |||
21:57 < hvxgr> Good nite all. | |||
21:57 < Pepe> aye. | |||
21:57 < srevilak> aye | |||
21:57 < Pepe> good night! | |||
21:58 < srevilak> good night. | |||
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Latest revision as of 21:00, 30 May 2017
Review
Decisions/Endorsements
Projects
Our Elections
Email sent. Nominations by today. Election ballot by the 30th. Seven days after it is sent out. To Do:
Send email reminder about nominations this week and nextSetup ballot (srevilak). For this election, we are implementing Voting Tokens- Send out ballot this week and before polls close (jokeefe)
PirateCon
- Videos processed. Need to upload to sites and torrent.
- Audio for one panel posted. More audio to edit.
Planks & Other Discussions
- Discussion
- Reviewed Loomio instance. Looks good. Looking at how to invite people.
- myBB installed, but not setup completely (jokeefe)
- Installing mattermost as slack alternative (jokeefe)
- Installed Matrix client (Riot), but we would need our own server to not be dependent on matrix.org servers.
- Evaluating issue tracking/proj management sw (alternatives to jira), for dealing w/tech issues, or "agile activism"?
- Previous work on planks: https://github.com/masspirates/planks
- Results of the PirateCon discussion posted
Local Chapters
Somerville meeting in two weeks.
Boston Pride Parade
Day against DRM
Day Against DRM is Sunday, July 9th. The FSF is looking for people to setup events worldwide and asked if we wanted to help organize an event in Massachusetts.
Upcoming Events
- 5/31, 6-9pm, Somerville Cryptoparty, The Sprouts, 339R Summer Street, Somerville
- 6/3, 5-7pm, LGBT-focused Cryptoparty, Make Shift Boston, 549 Columbus Ave, Boston
- 6/10, Boston Pride Parade, Boston
- 6/21, Edward Snowden's Birthday
- 6/28, 6-9pm, Somerville Cryptoparty, The Sprouts, 339R Summer Street, Somerville
- 7/9, Day against DRM
See: 2017 calendar
Participants
- srevilak (Steve Revilak, Arlington)
- Pepe (Garret K, Lowell)
- hvxgr (Tom Rodman (Milwaukee))
Observers
- davidd
- igel
- pagegaai
- mlemlemlem
Summary
Minutes
21:05 < srevilak> agenda https://masspirates.org/wiki/May_30th,_2017_IRC_Meeting 21:05 < papegaai> Title: May 30th, 2017 IRC Meeting - Mass Pirate Wiki (at masspirates.org) 21:05 < srevilak> ids 21:06 < srevilak> Steve Revilak, Arlington 21:06 < mlemlemlem> hola 21:06 < Pepe> Garret K, Lowell 21:06 < hvxgr> Tom Rodman (Milwaukee) 21:06 < srevilak> Projects 21:07 < srevilak> Our elections 21:07 < srevilak> since we didn't fit our elections into piratecon, we're making our first go at electronic voting 21:07 < srevilak> It's ranked choice, with voting tokens: https://masspirates.org/wiki/Electronic_Voting_and_Voting_Tokens 21:07 < papegaai> Title: Electronic Voting and Voting Tokens - Mass Pirate Wiki (at masspirates.org) 21:08 < srevilak> We're nearly ready to send invitations to vote. 21:09 < srevilak> jokeefe volunteered to do the mailing, and the ballot will stay open for a week. Then, we'll count the votes 21:09 < Pepe> tokens. fancy 21:09 < Pepe> :D 21:10 < srevilak> electronic voting is tricky 21:11 < srevilak> anything else on elections? 21:11 < hvxgr> Can one use anonymous email? (I know I am not a member now) 21:12 < srevilak> For voting? We didn't think of that for this election. But we could try it at some point in the future 21:13 < hvxgr> I suppose it would be hard to hide from yourself who you emailed to though. 21:14 < srevilak> Anonymous remailer perhaps? 21:15 < srevilak> On to piratecon? 21:15 < srevilak> PirateCon 21:16 < srevilak> jokeefe said he got most of the video edited. It's just taking a while to upload 21:16 < srevilak> He plans to put it on Mega, and youtube, I believe 21:17 < Pepe> that the vid from PirateCon? 21:17 < srevilak> ye 21:17 < srevilak> ye 21:17 < srevilak> yes 21:17 < Pepe> cool. i missed the first speakers 21:17 < Pepe> i wanted to catch Wendy's bit 21:17 < srevilak> I haven't made as much progress on audio/podcasts. 21:18 < srevilak> Have the first panel posted to https://archive.org/details/masspirates 21:18 < papegaai> Title: Massachusetts Pirate Party : Free Audio : Download & Streaming : Internet Archive (at archive.org) 21:18 < srevilak> Wendy gave a good talk 21:18 < Pepe> she's a sharp tack 21:19 < srevilak> Planks & Other Discussions 21:20 < srevilak> jokeefe has been looking into software packages to facilitate discussions and collective decision making 21:21 < srevilak> Loomio seems like a good candidate for the decision making piece. 21:21 < srevilak> Hope is that we could use it to help round out the platform 21:23 < srevilak> Probably need a working meeting to seed a couple of topics and send out invitations 21:24 < srevilak> jamie's also been looking at myBB (general forum/discussion board), and something slack-like 21:24 < srevilak> Challenge with maintaining data sovereignty: sometimes it's a lot of work :( 21:25 < srevilak> hvxgr: what have you been looking at in terms of `agile activism' 21:25 < hvxgr> redmine, bugzilla, tuleap ... 21:26 < srevilak> have you looked at trac? 21:26 < hvxgr> No, I think the name came up tho. 21:26 < srevilak> A tech collective I work with uses trac as issue tracker + wiki + repository browser 21:27 < hvxgr> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_issue-tracking_systems 21:27 < papegaai> Title: Comparison of issue-tracking systems - Wikipedia (at en.wikipedia.org) 21:27 < hvxgr> Phabricator also. 21:28 < srevilak> have you found ones that work particularly well (or particularly not well?) 21:28 < hvxgr> I'm thinking it may be a way for remote people to coordinate work / work together. In theory, you could do something like sprints also. 21:30 < srevilak> I've always found it's a challenge to cross over from issue management to project management 21:30 < hvxgr> I liked jira. One of the main things I liked was being able to use post simple plain text comments in jira issues using editor of my choice. 21:31 < srevilak> That is a nice feature of Jira (along with project-specific workflows) 21:31 < hvxgr> Issue management first in my opinion, but then i'm a detail/task oriented individual contributer type. 21:32 < hvxgr> Workflows are nice. At the last job I had they kept them very simple, which was nice. 21:33 < srevilak> I notice that https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_issue-tracking_systems includes org-mode, which I'm personally a huge fan of 21:33 < papegaai> Title: Comparison of issue-tracking systems - Wikipedia (at en.wikipedia.org) 21:33 < hvxgr> I will look into 'trac'. 21:33 < srevilak> but org-mode is more single user than a group tool 21:34 < hvxgr> ( emacs org mode? ) I'm a vim person, but use GNUS sometimes. 21:34 < srevilak> yes, http://orgmode.org/ 21:34 < papegaai> Title: Org mode for Emacs Your Life in Plain Text (at orgmode.org) 21:36 < srevilak> Shall we move on to local chapters? 21:36 < hvxgr> Getting OT, I think, but I do use folds in vim. Sure/ready for nect topic. 21:37 < srevilak> local chapters 21:37 < srevilak> Jamie and Aaron have started to hold meetings in somerville 21:37 < srevilak> We also have another fellow trying to get a boston chapter started 21:38 < srevilak> I don't have much more to report than that 21:38 < srevilak> Anything else on local chapters? 21:39 < Pepe> no i don't think so 21:39 < srevilak> Boston Pride Parade 21:39 < srevilak> I've been building a mast :) 21:40 < srevilak> Pride is June 10th. 21:40 < srevilak> We'll get our lineup position a day or two in advance 21:40 < srevilak> Pepe: will you be able to march with us? 21:41 < Pepe> i don't do identity politics, sorry 21:41 < srevilak> ok 21:42 < srevilak> Still have prep work to do (promotion, flyers, and such) 21:43 < srevilak> Day against DRM 21:43 < srevilak> International day against DRM is Sunday July 9th 21:43 < Pepe> k now we're talking. that's July? 21:43 < srevilak> Yes, july 21:44 < srevilak> Skimming over last week's notes, we'd been thinking of tabling 21:44 < srevilak> I suppose a stand-out would work too 21:45 < Pepe> i can help w either. i just got a new flag pole :D 21:45 < srevilak> nice 21:46 < srevilak> Any thoughts on where to do the event(s)? 21:46 < Pepe> where? ....................... hmmmmmmm 21:46 < srevilak> We could do more than one location 21:47 < Pepe> is there any local orgs involved in this yet? 21:47 < Pepe> are there ^^^ 21:47 < srevilak> The FSF. 21:48 < srevilak> A number of tech groups tend to get involved 21:48 < Pepe> they haven't staked out a spot yet? i dunno who that is 21:48 < srevilak> FSF : free software foundation 21:48 < srevilak> They're the ones behind https://defectivebydesign.org/ 21:48 < papegaai> Title: We oppose DRM. | Defective by Design (at defectivebydesign.org) 21:49 < hvxgr> For tabling or marches, a couple of big yard sign sized pdfs might be good. I could do a simple protest (text) sign, get it printed at a fedx near you (they have wide paper plotters). 21:49 < Pepe> gotcha. July 9 is a Sunday.... that can be tricky..... Cambride probably 21:49 < Pepe> Cambridge. i think woudl have best reception based on demographics 21:49 < srevilak> I think you're probably right 21:50 < srevilak> Would it make sense to encourage folks to do events in their own areas? 21:50 < Pepe> i mean... "hey go for it" if someone is so motivated 21:50 < srevilak> (in addition to doing something in, say, Cambridge?) 21:51 < srevilak> I like "hey go for it" 21:51 < Pepe> ..........hmm. i wish i could get my local Lowellian pals to get involved we me, we could maybe do one here at the college 21:51 < hvxgr> I can check with Joe Klein in MKE-- he has been a bit hard to reach lately. 21:52 < Pepe> UMass Lowell... but i think Cambridge would have best reception from the community and therefore a better PR 21:52 < srevilak> Sounds like good ideas to me 21:52 < srevilak> There is a makerspace in Lowell -- we did a cryptoparty there once 21:53 < srevilak> It may have been http://lowellmakes.com/ 21:53 < papegaai> Title: Lowell Makes | Learning, Designing & Making: A new side of the creative economy — in Lowell! (at lowellmakes.com) 21:53 < srevilak> They might be receptive to doing something 21:54 < Pepe> maybe. i'll learn more about this and see if i can drum up and locals. i don't really know anyone out here or where anything is, but we'll see what i can find 21:54 < srevilak> cool, thanks 21:56 < srevilak> I'll see if I can put together a blog post/call to action 21:56 < srevilak> Anything else? 21:57 < Pepe> nah i think that's it. i'd move to adjourn i think 21:57 < srevilak> I'll second your motion 21:57 < srevilak> All in favor? 21:57 < hvxgr> Good nite all. 21:57 < Pepe> aye. 21:57 < srevilak> aye 21:57 < Pepe> good night! 21:58 < srevilak> good night.