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== Participants ==
== Participants ==


 
* jokeefe: James O’Keefe, Somerville
* DesmondRavenstone: Desmond Ravenstone, Boston (Roslindale)
* Pirate_Joe: Joseph Onoroski, Lowell
* Malt: Sam capradae, Worcester


=== Observers ===
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[9:04pm] jokeefe: Agenda: https://masspirates.org/wiki/January_23rd,_2019_IRC_Meeting
[9:04pm] jokeefe: ids
[9:04pm] jokeefe: James O’Keefe, Somerville
[9:05pm] DesmondRavenstone: Desmond Ravenstone, Boston (Roslindale)
[9:05pm] Pirate_Joe: Joseph Onoroski, Lowell
[9:05pm] jokeefe: Anything to add?
[9:06pm] Pirate_Joe: Location meetings; Budget review; Vigil
[9:06pm] DesmondRavenstone: Could talk about the new recruit and idea for sex worker rights activism'
[9:06pm] Pirate_Joe: Also, Nation vote
[9:06pm] Pirate_Joe: *National
[9:07pm] jokeefe: let’s talk about it during the Boston Sex Worker Petition discussion
[9:07pm] Pirate_Joe: Ok
[9:07pm] Pirate_Joe: Also, I am prepaid for a longer meeting if anyone else is as well
[9:07pm] jokeefe: yes, let’s discuss national party
[9:07pm] jokeefe: Skipping to Building Individual Autonomy and Control
[9:08pm] jokeefe: https://piratenpad.de/p/MAPPIndividualAutonomyIssueText
[9:08pm] Malt joined the chat room.
[9:08pm] jokeefe: ahoy, Malt
[9:08pm] DesmondRavenstone: I like the paragraph in pink with the grayish edits. Suggest proposing on activist list for feedback
[9:08pm] Malt: Sam capradae, Worcester
[9:08pm] jokeefe: Someone suggested:
[9:08pm] Malt: Hi friends
[9:08pm] jokeefe: Affirming Individual Autonomy
[9:08pm] jokeefe: Democracy can only be sustained when individuals are able to exercise autonomy over their own lives and bodies to assure their well-being and happiness, while respecting the autonomy of other individuals. We call for more participatory political and social systems, equitable access to resources, and no intrusion by government and corporate institutions into the lives of individuals.
[9:09pm] DesmondRavenstone: thumbs up
[9:09pm] Malt: I like
[9:09pm] jokeefe: Though I made it stronger with changing more equitable to equitable and less intrusion by government and corporate institutions to no intrusion by government and corporate institutions
[9:10pm] Pirate_Joe: Hmmm
[9:10pm] DesmondRavenstone: 2nd hmmm
[9:10pm] jokeefe: vastly more equitable?
[9:10pm] Pirate_Joe: Goverment, corporations, or third parties
[9:10pm] DesmondRavenstone: Minimal intrusion'
[9:10pm] Malt: Eh, I think it's covered as is
[9:10pm] Pirate_Joe: Plenty of crimes are committed by Partnerships and sole props as well
[9:11pm] jokeefe: true
[9:11pm] Malt: I think the intent is clear
[9:11pm] DesmondRavenstone: Partnerships and sole props are still corporations
[9:12pm] Pirate_Joe: Depends on how they are structured, you can go either way
[9:12pm] DesmondRavenstone: Sounds like the "sticky" points are the stronger / less equivocal language.
[9:13pm] DesmondRavenstone: Why don't we open discussion on this with activist list, get more feedback on options.
[9:13pm] Pirate_Joe: I just want to make sure there is no loop holes for bad behavior as our current leader is keen to use.
[9:13pm] Pirate_Joe: I second the motion
[9:13pm] jokeefe: I feel like it is time to make a decision.  It has been mentioned for nearly two months and has been on the agenda.
[9:14pm] Malt left the chat room. (Quit: https://webchat.pirateirc.net/)
[9:14pm] DesmondRavenstone: I'd be happier with "vastly more equitable" and "minimal intrusion"
[9:14pm] Malt joined the chat room.
[9:14pm] jokeefe: DesmondRavenstone: I'd be happier with "vastly more equitable" and "minimal intrusion"
[9:15pm] jokeefe: I can live with both
[9:15pm] Pirate_Joe: This is a simple fix, just add "third parties" to the language so that the rule applies to all whom would infringe upon another's rights
[9:15pm] jokeefe: I have no objections
[9:15pm] Malt: Alright
[9:16pm] Pirate_Joe: So basically would have no rights to steal Malt's kittens.
[9:16pm] DesmondRavenstone: How about combine "corp institutions" and "other third parties" to "powerful private interests"
[9:16pm] Malt: Ooohhhhh
[9:17pm] jokeefe: Wouldn’t limit it to powerful
[9:17pm] Pirate_Joe: ^
[9:17pm] jokeefe: Democracy can only be sustained when individuals are able to exercise autonomy over their own lives and bodies to assure their well-being and happiness, while respecting the autonomy of other individuals. We call for more participatory political and social systems, vastly more equitable access to resources, and minimal intrusion by government and private interests into the lives of individuals.
[9:17pm] DesmondRavenstone: Sounds good
[9:17pm] Pirate_Joe: I agree
[9:17pm] jokeefe: Also, “We call for more participatory political and social systems” or “We call for participatory political and social systems”
[9:18pm] jokeefe: sorry
[9:18pm] Malt: "corporate and other private interests"
[9:18pm] DesmondRavenstone: or "full participatory political … "
[9:18pm] DesmondRavenstone: "fully participatory"
[9:19pm] Pirate_Joe: We call for more standardized participatory political and social systems
[9:19pm] jokeefe: Democracy can only be sustained when individuals are able to exercise autonomy over their own lives and bodies to assure their well-being and happiness, while respecting the autonomy of other individuals. We call for fully participatory political and social systems, vastly more equitable access to resources, and minimal intrusion by government, corporate and other private interests into the lives of individuals.
[9:19pm] DesmondRavenstone: I think the issue is the degree of participation, not whether its "standardized"
[9:19pm] jokeefe: not sure what standardized means in this context
[9:19pm] DesmondRavenstone: ^^^
[9:19pm] Pirate_Joe: Yeah, it sounded better in my head
[9:20pm] Pirate_Joe: I veto it as well.
[9:20pm] jokeefe: ?
[9:20pm] jokeefe: veto standardized?
[9:20pm] DesmondRavenstone: Latest redact by @jokeefe sounds good
[9:20pm] Malt: Agreed
[9:21pm] Pirate_Joe: We call for the right to have full participation of our political and social systems...
[9:21pm] DesmondRavenstone: Well, one can have the right, but not the actual system in practice
[9:21pm] Malt: Why not just "we call for full participation"
[9:21pm] DesmondRavenstone: I say keep this as is
[9:21pm] DesmondRavenstone: Otherwise we quibble on this all night!
[9:22pm] Pirate_Joe: I have no hard objections, I am just tossing out different verbiage but have no attachment to it.
[9:22pm] Pirate_Joe: If you are happy with how it sounds, I am happy to proceed.
[9:23pm] DesmondRavenstone: ^^^
[9:23pm] jokeefe: Malt: full participation could be interpreted as impling that everyone has to participate fully
[9:23pm] DesmondRavenstone: ^^^
[9:23pm] jokeefe: s/impling/implying/g
[9:23pm] Malt: I don't see a downside to that
[9:23pm] jokeefe: lol
[9:23pm] DesmondRavenstone: Compelling someone to participate? Hmph
[9:23pm] Pirate_Joe: Not everyone can be educated on every topic
[9:24pm] Pirate_Joe: Not until we are in the Matrix that is.
[9:24pm] jokeefe: hopefully not
[9:24pm] Pirate_Joe: DL Rachael Ray cookbook.....
[9:24pm] Malt: I'm just tired of talking about "rights"
[9:24pm] Malt: Instead of power
[9:25pm] Malt: We've got rights but no power to enforce them
[9:25pm] DesmondRavenstone: Hence call for changes in systems
[9:25pm] Pirate_Joe: We change the laws, we gain the power to have them enforced.
[9:25pm] jokeefe: Agreed. “fully participatory political and social systems “ seems more than just the right to. Is “Democracy can only be sustained when individuals are able to exercise autonomy over their own lives and bodies to assure their well-being and happiness, while respecting the autonomy of other individuals. We call for fully participatory political and social systems, vastly more equitable access to resources, and minimal intrusion by government, corporate and other private interests into the lives of individuals.” acceptable?
[9:26pm] Pirate_Joe: We get the support of the public, we change the laws
[9:26pm] DesmondRavenstone: I like the current draft.
[9:26pm] Pirate_Joe: I agree on this statement. Anyone second?
[9:26pm] Malt: 2nd
[9:26pm] jokeefe: all in favor?
[9:26pm] Pirate_Joe: All in favor?
[9:26pm] DesmondRavenstone: AYE
[9:26pm] Malt: Aye
[9:26pm] Pirate_Joe: Sry Capt
[9:26pm] Pirate_Joe: Aye
[9:26pm] jokeefe: aye
[9:27pm] jokeefe: any opposed?
[9:27pm] DesmondRavenstone: just crickets
[9:27pm] Pirate_Joe: I aye's have it.
[9:27pm] DesmondRavenstone:
[9:27pm] jokeefe: well, there are others …
[9:27pm] jokeefe: have to ask
[9:28pm] jokeefe: motion passes.
[9:28pm] jokeefe: Affirming Individual Autonomy
[9:28pm] jokeefe: Democracy can only be sustained when individuals are able to exercise autonomy over their own lives and bodies to assure their well-being and happiness, while respecting the autonomy of other individuals. We call for fully participatory political and social systems, vastly more equitable access to resources, and minimal intrusion by government, corporate and other private interests into the lives of individuals.
[9:28pm] jokeefe: Moving to Projects
[9:28pm] jokeefe: Budget
[9:28pm] jokeefe: Pirate_Joe?






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Revision as of 21:30, 23 January 2019

Review

Decisions/Endorsements

Define issue: Building Individual Autonomy and Control

Pirate pad

Projects

Goals for Q1:

  • Organize meetups
  • Organize Fundraiser(s)
  • Organize candidate trainings
  • Revise platform

Budget

Boston Sex Worker Petition

Regional Meetings

Election Campaigns

Update Platform

Video Newsletter

Tech/Outreach

  • find discussion/voting system
  • update blog theme
  • update civicrm software
  • set up torrents for PirateCon videos (creynolds)
  • post remaining audio for PirateCon talks (srevilak)

Statements

Mesh Net

Cryptoparties

CCTV camera map

Other To Dos

These have been on our agenda for a long time. How do we make them a reality?

Computer Donations

On hold - https://piratenpad.de/p/MassPiratesComputerDonations

FOSS Tutorials

Worcester farm group is interested in having some FOSS tutorials. Perhaps:

  • how to do basic labels in GIMP,
  • work through a few sample spreadsheets related to seed cost and
  • similarly applicable real-world situations, depending on the needs of the group

Basically how to do graph design & product management with open source tools. Malt will put together a one paragraph description of what we need and we can mail it out to ask pirates to help.

Upcoming Events

  • 1/29, 7-9pm, Mass MeshNet Tech Meeting, Industry Lab, 288 Norfolk St, Cambridge

Participants

  • jokeefe: James O’Keefe, Somerville
  • DesmondRavenstone: Desmond Ravenstone, Boston (Roslindale)
  • Pirate_Joe: Joseph Onoroski, Lowell
  • Malt: Sam capradae, Worcester

Observers

  • ChanServ
  • hvxgr
  • davidd
  • Mikaela_Suomalainen
  • bonelesspepsi[m]

Summary

Minutes

 


[9:04pm] jokeefe: Agenda: https://masspirates.org/wiki/January_23rd,_2019_IRC_Meeting
[9:04pm] jokeefe: ids
[9:04pm] jokeefe: James O’Keefe, Somerville
[9:05pm] DesmondRavenstone: Desmond Ravenstone, Boston (Roslindale)
[9:05pm] Pirate_Joe: Joseph Onoroski, Lowell
[9:05pm] jokeefe: Anything to add?
[9:06pm] Pirate_Joe: Location meetings; Budget review; Vigil
[9:06pm] DesmondRavenstone: Could talk about the new recruit and idea for sex worker rights activism'
[9:06pm] Pirate_Joe: Also, Nation vote
[9:06pm] Pirate_Joe: *National
[9:07pm] jokeefe: let’s talk about it during the Boston Sex Worker Petition discussion
[9:07pm] Pirate_Joe: Ok
[9:07pm] Pirate_Joe: Also, I am prepaid for a longer meeting if anyone else is as well
[9:07pm] jokeefe: yes, let’s discuss national party
[9:07pm] jokeefe: Skipping to Building Individual Autonomy and Control
[9:08pm] jokeefe: https://piratenpad.de/p/MAPPIndividualAutonomyIssueText
[9:08pm] Malt joined the chat room.
[9:08pm] jokeefe: ahoy, Malt
[9:08pm] DesmondRavenstone: I like the paragraph in pink with the grayish edits. Suggest proposing on activist list for feedback
[9:08pm] Malt: Sam capradae, Worcester
[9:08pm] jokeefe: Someone suggested:
[9:08pm] Malt: Hi friends
[9:08pm] jokeefe: Affirming Individual Autonomy
[9:08pm] jokeefe: Democracy can only be sustained when individuals are able to exercise autonomy over their own lives and bodies to assure their well-being and happiness, while respecting the autonomy of other individuals. We call for more participatory political and social systems, equitable access to resources, and no intrusion by government and corporate institutions into the lives of individuals.
[9:09pm] DesmondRavenstone: thumbs up
[9:09pm] Malt: I like
[9:09pm] jokeefe: Though I made it stronger with changing more equitable to equitable and less intrusion by government and corporate institutions to no intrusion by government and corporate institutions
[9:10pm] Pirate_Joe: Hmmm
[9:10pm] DesmondRavenstone: 2nd hmmm
[9:10pm] jokeefe: vastly more equitable?
[9:10pm] Pirate_Joe: Goverment, corporations, or third parties
[9:10pm] DesmondRavenstone: Minimal intrusion'
[9:10pm] Malt: Eh, I think it's covered as is
[9:10pm] Pirate_Joe: Plenty of crimes are committed by Partnerships and sole props as well
[9:11pm] jokeefe: true
[9:11pm] Malt: I think the intent is clear
[9:11pm] DesmondRavenstone: Partnerships and sole props are still corporations
[9:12pm] Pirate_Joe: Depends on how they are structured, you can go either way
[9:12pm] DesmondRavenstone: Sounds like the "sticky" points are the stronger / less equivocal language.
[9:13pm] DesmondRavenstone: Why don't we open discussion on this with activist list, get more feedback on options.
[9:13pm] Pirate_Joe: I just want to make sure there is no loop holes for bad behavior as our current leader is keen to use.
[9:13pm] Pirate_Joe: I second the motion
[9:13pm] jokeefe: I feel like it is time to make a decision.  It has been mentioned for nearly two months and has been on the agenda.
[9:14pm] Malt left the chat room. (Quit: https://webchat.pirateirc.net/)
[9:14pm] DesmondRavenstone: I'd be happier with "vastly more equitable" and "minimal intrusion"
[9:14pm] Malt joined the chat room.
[9:14pm] jokeefe: DesmondRavenstone: I'd be happier with "vastly more equitable" and "minimal intrusion"
[9:15pm] jokeefe: I can live with both
[9:15pm] Pirate_Joe: This is a simple fix, just add "third parties" to the language so that the rule applies to all whom would infringe upon another's rights
[9:15pm] jokeefe: I have no objections
[9:15pm] Malt: Alright
[9:16pm] Pirate_Joe: So basically would have no rights to steal Malt's kittens. 
[9:16pm] DesmondRavenstone: How about combine "corp institutions" and "other third parties" to "powerful private interests"
[9:16pm] Malt: Ooohhhhh
[9:17pm] jokeefe: Wouldn’t limit it to powerful
[9:17pm] Pirate_Joe: ^
[9:17pm] jokeefe: Democracy can only be sustained when individuals are able to exercise autonomy over their own lives and bodies to assure their well-being and happiness, while respecting the autonomy of other individuals. We call for more participatory political and social systems, vastly more equitable access to resources, and minimal intrusion by government and private interests into the lives of individuals.
[9:17pm] DesmondRavenstone: Sounds good
[9:17pm] Pirate_Joe: I agree
[9:17pm] jokeefe: Also, “We call for more participatory political and social systems” or “We call for participatory political and social systems”
[9:18pm] jokeefe: sorry
[9:18pm] Malt: "corporate and other private interests"
[9:18pm] DesmondRavenstone: or "full participatory political … "
[9:18pm] DesmondRavenstone: "fully participatory"
[9:19pm] Pirate_Joe: We call for more standardized participatory political and social systems
[9:19pm] jokeefe: Democracy can only be sustained when individuals are able to exercise autonomy over their own lives and bodies to assure their well-being and happiness, while respecting the autonomy of other individuals. We call for fully participatory political and social systems, vastly more equitable access to resources, and minimal intrusion by government, corporate and other private interests into the lives of individuals.
[9:19pm] DesmondRavenstone: I think the issue is the degree of participation, not whether its "standardized"
[9:19pm] jokeefe: not sure what standardized means in this context
[9:19pm] DesmondRavenstone: ^^^
[9:19pm] Pirate_Joe: Yeah, it sounded better in my head
[9:20pm] Pirate_Joe: I veto it as well.
[9:20pm] jokeefe: ?
[9:20pm] jokeefe: veto standardized?
[9:20pm] DesmondRavenstone: Latest redact by @jokeefe sounds good
[9:20pm] Malt: Agreed
[9:21pm] Pirate_Joe: We call for the right to have full participation of our political and social systems...
[9:21pm] DesmondRavenstone: Well, one can have the right, but not the actual system in practice
[9:21pm] Malt: Why not just "we call for full participation"
[9:21pm] DesmondRavenstone: I say keep this as is
[9:21pm] DesmondRavenstone: Otherwise we quibble on this all night!
[9:22pm] Pirate_Joe: I have no hard objections, I am just tossing out different verbiage but have no attachment to it.
[9:22pm] Pirate_Joe: If you are happy with how it sounds, I am happy to proceed.
[9:23pm] DesmondRavenstone: ^^^
[9:23pm] jokeefe: Malt: full participation could be interpreted as impling that everyone has to participate fully
[9:23pm] DesmondRavenstone: ^^^
[9:23pm] jokeefe: s/impling/implying/g
[9:23pm] Malt: I don't see a downside to that
[9:23pm] jokeefe: lol
[9:23pm] DesmondRavenstone: Compelling someone to participate? Hmph
[9:23pm] Pirate_Joe: Not everyone can be educated on every topic
[9:24pm] Pirate_Joe: Not until we are in the Matrix that is.
[9:24pm] jokeefe: hopefully not
[9:24pm] Pirate_Joe: DL Rachael Ray cookbook.....
[9:24pm] Malt: I'm just tired of talking about "rights"
[9:24pm] Malt: Instead of power
[9:25pm] Malt: We've got rights but no power to enforce them
[9:25pm] DesmondRavenstone: Hence call for changes in systems
[9:25pm] Pirate_Joe: We change the laws, we gain the power to have them enforced.
[9:25pm] jokeefe: Agreed. “fully participatory political and social systems “ seems more than just the right to. Is “Democracy can only be sustained when individuals are able to exercise autonomy over their own lives and bodies to assure their well-being and happiness, while respecting the autonomy of other individuals. We call for fully participatory political and social systems, vastly more equitable access to resources, and minimal intrusion by government, corporate and other private interests into the lives of individuals.” acceptable?
[9:26pm] Pirate_Joe: We get the support of the public, we change the laws
[9:26pm] DesmondRavenstone: I like the current draft.
[9:26pm] Pirate_Joe: I agree on this statement. Anyone second?
[9:26pm] Malt: 2nd
[9:26pm] jokeefe: all in favor?
[9:26pm] Pirate_Joe: All in favor?
[9:26pm] DesmondRavenstone: AYE
[9:26pm] Malt: Aye
[9:26pm] Pirate_Joe: Sry Capt
[9:26pm] Pirate_Joe: Aye
[9:26pm] jokeefe: aye
[9:27pm] jokeefe: any opposed?
[9:27pm] DesmondRavenstone: just crickets
[9:27pm] Pirate_Joe: I aye's have it.
[9:27pm] DesmondRavenstone:
[9:27pm] jokeefe: well, there are others …
[9:27pm] jokeefe: have to ask
[9:28pm] jokeefe: motion passes.
[9:28pm] jokeefe: Affirming Individual Autonomy
[9:28pm] jokeefe: Democracy can only be sustained when individuals are able to exercise autonomy over their own lives and bodies to assure their well-being and happiness, while respecting the autonomy of other individuals. We call for fully participatory political and social systems, vastly more equitable access to resources, and minimal intrusion by government, corporate and other private interests into the lives of individuals.
[9:28pm] jokeefe: Moving to Projects
[9:28pm] jokeefe: Budget
[9:28pm] jokeefe: Pirate_Joe?
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