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21:02 <@jokeefe> Agenda: | |||
https://masspirates.org/wiki/August_21st,_2019_IRC_Meeting | |||
21:02 <@jokeefe> ids | |||
21:02 <@jokeefe> James O’Keefe, Somerville | |||
21:02 < DesmondRavenstone> Desmond Ravenstone, Boston (Roslindale) | |||
21:02 < igel[m]> william fleurant, arlington | |||
21:03 <@jokeefe> Anything to add? | |||
21:03 < igel[m]> ahoy :] | |||
21:03 * igel[m] looking at agenda | |||
21:03 < srevilak> Steve Revilak, Arlington | |||
21:04 <@jokeefe> Nothing for review or decisions, skipping to projects | |||
21:05 <@jokeefe> Regional Meetings & Party Conference | |||
21:05 < igel[m]> no, none | |||
21:05 < DesmondRavenstone> From the posts on the activist list, looks | |||
like we'll be at Encuerto 5, yes? | |||
21:06 <@jokeefe> Yes. The poll had 9/21 as the best date and Encuentro | |||
5 is open. Cost is $200. They have a screen and sound system. | |||
21:06 <@jokeefe> and projector. | |||
21:06 <@jokeefe> Shall we confirm for that date? | |||
21:07 < DesmondRavenstone> Sounds good to me. | |||
21:07 < srevilak> go for it! | |||
21:08 <@jokeefe> Ask for space for 9am to 6pm? Start at 10am and cleanup | |||
by 6pm? | |||
21:08 < srevilak> Those times sound reasonable | |||
21:08 < DesmondRavenstone> Aye | |||
21:08 <@jokeefe> All in favor? | |||
21:08 < DesmondRavenstone> Aye | |||
21:08 < srevilak> aye | |||
21:09 <@jokeefe> aye | |||
21:09 <@jokeefe> Any opposed? | |||
21:09 < srevilak> nay | |||
21:10 < srevilak> (Not opposed :) | |||
21:10 <@jokeefe> :-) | |||
21:10 <@jokeefe> Motion passes. Will confirm with E5 by tomorrow and | |||
announce it as well | |||
21:11 < srevilak> Thank you! | |||
21:11 < DesmondRavenstone> :) | |||
21:11 <@jokeefe> Lowell picnic is this Saturday | |||
starting at 1pm. Updated the location at | |||
https://masspirates.org/blog/2019/08/13/lowell-pirate-picnic-august-24th/ | |||
21:13 < srevilak> hai Malt! | |||
21:13 < Malt> Sam capradae, Worcester | |||
21:13 <@jokeefe> I reached out to our Holyoke contact about having the | |||
meetup there in Nov/Dec. | |||
21:13 < Malt> Sorry for the delay, baby class at hospital | |||
21:13 <@jokeefe> welcome Malt | |||
21:13 <@jokeefe> That is a priority | |||
21:13 < srevilak> baby class is important | |||
21:14 <@jokeefe> Malt - what do you think about a Worcester meetup | |||
in Nov/Dec? | |||
21:14 < Malt> Learning all the new sciences, like Perpetual Feeding | |||
21:14 < Malt> Would be a good way to respond to the last election | |||
21:14 <@jokeefe> true | |||
21:15 <@jokeefe> Would you see what spaces/dates are open, Malt? | |||
21:15 < Malt> Sure | |||
21:15 <@jokeefe> thanks | |||
21:15 <@jokeefe> National Party | |||
21:16 <@jokeefe> They are starting a bank account | |||
21:16 <@jokeefe> and all that | |||
21:17 <@jokeefe> Since the national party coop rules would have a vote a | |||
state, Pirate_Joe wanted to know how we thought decisions should be made. | |||
21:18 < DesmondRavenstone> Would make sense if he brought agenda items | |||
in advance to this forum for discussion and consensus/vote | |||
21:18 <@jokeefe> I think decisions should be on a two week schedule: | |||
1. Announce proposal, 2. States review and approve or offer amendments | |||
3. national reps adjusts and votes | |||
21:19 <@jokeefe> Agreed DesmondRavenstone | |||
21:19 <@jokeefe> Thoughts? | |||
21:19 < Malt> Neat | |||
21:19 < DesmondRavenstone> Sounds good | |||
21:21 < Malt> Works for me | |||
21:22 <@jokeefe> Any other thoughts? | |||
21:22 < designanddraft> ways to accommodate for disputes as majority | |||
does not rule? | |||
21:22 <@jokeefe> such as? | |||
21:24 < DesmondRavenstone> Remember that consensus isn't just "unanimous | |||
vote" but a process of discerning common ground, taking "minority" | |||
concerns into account | |||
21:25 < Malt> A roadblock process might be useful | |||
21:25 < DesmondRavenstone> You don't just vote "yes" or "no" but come | |||
up with an answer to the question, even if that answer is different from | |||
the original proposal | |||
21:25 < Malt> Ultimately it's hard to know what problems well run into | |||
beforehand | |||
21:26 <@jokeefe> Will suggest it. | |||
21:26 <@jokeefe> | |||
https://wiki.pirate-party.us/Pirate_National_Committee_(PNC)/Bylaws | |||
21:26 <@jokeefe> thanks | |||
21:26 < designanddraft> thx | |||
21:26 <@jokeefe> Video Newsletter | |||
21:26 < igel[m]> whats by roadblock? | |||
21:27 <@jokeefe> Sunday 10am for next pirate news recording? | |||
21:27 < DesmondRavenstone> Topics? | |||
21:27 < srevilak> I'll be traveling | |||
21:27 < designanddraft> roadblock guessing...no pass if someone definitely | |||
opposed | |||
21:28 < Malt> An intractable problem | |||
21:29 < igel[m]> aah ok so this question is recursive even when in | |||
discussion about it :] | |||
21:29 <@jokeefe> consensus decisionmaking allows 1 or more to have a | |||
blocking concern | |||
21:30 <@jokeefe> once are concerns are resolved, the motion | |||
passes. assumes concerns are honest though | |||
21:31 < igel[m]> ok | |||
21:31 < igel[m]> (w/ me) | |||
21:32 <@jokeefe> Topics: ooo so many. Mass. facial surveillance bill, | |||
Amazon’s deal with police to make warrantless review of their | |||
surveillance cameras, FCC as free speech police, … | |||
21:34 < Malt> That Amazon police bill seems like easy leverage | |||
21:34 < Malt> The agreements aren't producing much fruit for the cops | |||
21:34 < Malt> Could be an easy push to get Boston to step back also | |||
21:34 < Malt> Frame it as a cost concern | |||
21:36 <@jokeefe> Cool. So 10am Sunday? | |||
21:37 < designanddraft> new topics?...talked by phone with christine | |||
and joseph, i am volunteering for national presidential ticket on pirate | |||
party platform, decentralize banking and laws off my body, etc | |||
21:37 < Malt> Ok w/me | |||
21:37 < Malt> Neat! | |||
21:37 < srevilak> nice! | |||
21:38 < DesmondRavenstone> :) | |||
21:38 <@jokeefe> Great. Will send notice to the activists list | |||
21:38 <@jokeefe> Democracy and Dogfood (Tech) | |||
21:38 <@jokeefe> Next meeting will be October 5th, 11am-1pm | |||
21:39 <@jokeefe> I asked E5 if we can meet there. Cost is around $30. | |||
21:39 < srevilak> Works for me | |||
21:39 <@jokeefe> DesmondRavenstone - should we retire the Boston Sex | |||
Worker Petition? | |||
21:40 < DesmondRavenstone> No, let's keep it up … Could prompt more | |||
inquiries later on, perhaps a surge if things develop. Remember every | |||
signature gets a notice sent to the police Commissioner. | |||
21:41 <@jokeefe> ok | |||
21:42 <@jokeefe> That is all there is on the agenda | |||
21:42 <@jokeefe> If there isn’t anything else, shall we adjourn? | |||
21:42 < DesmondRavenstone> Sounds like a plan | |||
21:43 < srevilak> aye | |||
21:43 <@jokeefe> aye | |||
21:43 < srevilak> will post transcript | |||
21:43 <@jokeefe> thank you. | |||
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Latest revision as of 20:45, 21 August 2019
Review
Decisions/Endorsements
Projects
Goals for Q3:
- Organize meetups
- Organize election
- Organize Fundraiser(s)
- Organize candidate trainings
- Revise platform
Regional Meetings & Party Conference
Leader: jokeefe
Most votes for weekend of 9/21 for the party conference. E5 has openings that weekend as well as the two weekends after.
Looking at late October or November for the Holyoke meetup.
Perhaps a Worcester meetup the month after the Holyoke meetup?
National Party
Video Newsletter
Leader: Joseph
- Next pirate news recording?
Democracy and Dogfood (Tech)
Next meeting will be October 5th, 11am-1pm, possibly at E5. Topics are:
- find discussion/voting system;
- update CCTV cameras to include older cameras outside North America we didn't include;
- write an app to record the location/ownership of CCTV cameras;
- set up torrents for PirateCon videos (creynolds);
- post remaining audio for PirateCon talks (srevilak).
Tasks
Statement on Alabama/Ohio/Georgia Abortion ban bills/laws
Fight bills to make the Film Credit Permanent
H.2419 would make the film tax credit permanent. It is supposed to expire in 2023. The bill has 100+ signatures this time around. jokeefe will submit testimony.
National Platform reform/remake
Tabled Projects
These have been on our agenda for a long time. How do we make them a reality?
Boston Sex Worker Petition
Non-pirate guest speakers for Pirate News
CCTV camera map
Computer Donations
https://piratenpad.de/p/MassPiratesComputerDonations
Video Newsletter guest speakers
FOSS Tutorials
Worcester farm group is interested in having some FOSS tutorials. Perhaps:
- how to do basic labels in GIMP,
- work through a few sample spreadsheets related to seed cost and
- similarly applicable real-world situations, depending on the needs of the group
Basically how to do graph design & product management with open source tools. Malt will put together a one paragraph description of what we need and we can mail it out to ask pirates to help.
Upcoming Events
- 8/24, Lowell Pirate Picnic, Lowell
- 8/27, 7-9pm, Mass MeshNet Tech Meeting
- 8/28, 6-9pm, Somerville Cryptoparty, The Sprouts
- ?, ?, Holyoke Pirate Meetup, Board Room, Holyoke Public Library, Holyoke
- 9/3, 7-9pm, Mass MeshNet Tech Meeting, Industry Lab, Cambridge
- 9/10, 7-9pm, Mass MeshNet Tech Meeting, Democracy Center, Cambridge
- ?, 11am-1pm, Democracy and Dogfood (Tech) Meeting, Arlington
Participants
- jokeefe
- igel
- DesmondRavenston
- srevilak
- Malt
- designanddraft
Observers
- bonelesspepsi[m]
- davidd
- hvxgr
- MikaelaSuomalainen
- Deffy
- haskal
Summary
Party conference on Sep 21st. Will reserve E5.
Pirate Picnic is this Saturday, starting at 1p. See https://masspirates.org/blog/2019/08/13/lowell-pirate-picnic-august-24th/
National party is opening a bank account, etc.
Next Tech meeting Oct 5th 11a - 1p @ E5.
Minutes
21:02 <@jokeefe> Agenda: https://masspirates.org/wiki/August_21st,_2019_IRC_Meeting 21:02 <@jokeefe> ids 21:02 <@jokeefe> James O’Keefe, Somerville 21:02 < DesmondRavenstone> Desmond Ravenstone, Boston (Roslindale) 21:02 < igel[m]> william fleurant, arlington 21:03 <@jokeefe> Anything to add? 21:03 < igel[m]> ahoy :] 21:03 * igel[m] looking at agenda 21:03 < srevilak> Steve Revilak, Arlington 21:04 <@jokeefe> Nothing for review or decisions, skipping to projects 21:05 <@jokeefe> Regional Meetings & Party Conference 21:05 < igel[m]> no, none 21:05 < DesmondRavenstone> From the posts on the activist list, looks like we'll be at Encuerto 5, yes? 21:06 <@jokeefe> Yes. The poll had 9/21 as the best date and Encuentro 5 is open. Cost is $200. They have a screen and sound system. 21:06 <@jokeefe> and projector. 21:06 <@jokeefe> Shall we confirm for that date? 21:07 < DesmondRavenstone> Sounds good to me. 21:07 < srevilak> go for it! 21:08 <@jokeefe> Ask for space for 9am to 6pm? Start at 10am and cleanup by 6pm? 21:08 < srevilak> Those times sound reasonable 21:08 < DesmondRavenstone> Aye 21:08 <@jokeefe> All in favor? 21:08 < DesmondRavenstone> Aye 21:08 < srevilak> aye 21:09 <@jokeefe> aye 21:09 <@jokeefe> Any opposed? 21:09 < srevilak> nay 21:10 < srevilak> (Not opposed :) 21:10 <@jokeefe> :-) 21:10 <@jokeefe> Motion passes. Will confirm with E5 by tomorrow and announce it as well 21:11 < srevilak> Thank you! 21:11 < DesmondRavenstone> :) 21:11 <@jokeefe> Lowell picnic is this Saturday starting at 1pm. Updated the location at https://masspirates.org/blog/2019/08/13/lowell-pirate-picnic-august-24th/ 21:13 < srevilak> hai Malt! 21:13 < Malt> Sam capradae, Worcester 21:13 <@jokeefe> I reached out to our Holyoke contact about having the meetup there in Nov/Dec. 21:13 < Malt> Sorry for the delay, baby class at hospital 21:13 <@jokeefe> welcome Malt 21:13 <@jokeefe> That is a priority 21:13 < srevilak> baby class is important 21:14 <@jokeefe> Malt - what do you think about a Worcester meetup in Nov/Dec? 21:14 < Malt> Learning all the new sciences, like Perpetual Feeding 21:14 < Malt> Would be a good way to respond to the last election 21:14 <@jokeefe> true 21:15 <@jokeefe> Would you see what spaces/dates are open, Malt? 21:15 < Malt> Sure 21:15 <@jokeefe> thanks 21:15 <@jokeefe> National Party 21:16 <@jokeefe> They are starting a bank account 21:16 <@jokeefe> and all that 21:17 <@jokeefe> Since the national party coop rules would have a vote a state, Pirate_Joe wanted to know how we thought decisions should be made. 21:18 < DesmondRavenstone> Would make sense if he brought agenda items in advance to this forum for discussion and consensus/vote 21:18 <@jokeefe> I think decisions should be on a two week schedule: 1. Announce proposal, 2. States review and approve or offer amendments 3. national reps adjusts and votes 21:19 <@jokeefe> Agreed DesmondRavenstone 21:19 <@jokeefe> Thoughts? 21:19 < Malt> Neat 21:19 < DesmondRavenstone> Sounds good 21:21 < Malt> Works for me 21:22 <@jokeefe> Any other thoughts? 21:22 < designanddraft> ways to accommodate for disputes as majority does not rule? 21:22 <@jokeefe> such as? 21:24 < DesmondRavenstone> Remember that consensus isn't just "unanimous vote" but a process of discerning common ground, taking "minority" concerns into account 21:25 < Malt> A roadblock process might be useful 21:25 < DesmondRavenstone> You don't just vote "yes" or "no" but come up with an answer to the question, even if that answer is different from the original proposal 21:25 < Malt> Ultimately it's hard to know what problems well run into beforehand 21:26 <@jokeefe> Will suggest it. 21:26 <@jokeefe> https://wiki.pirate-party.us/Pirate_National_Committee_(PNC)/Bylaws 21:26 <@jokeefe> thanks 21:26 < designanddraft> thx 21:26 <@jokeefe> Video Newsletter 21:26 < igel[m]> whats by roadblock? 21:27 <@jokeefe> Sunday 10am for next pirate news recording? 21:27 < DesmondRavenstone> Topics? 21:27 < srevilak> I'll be traveling 21:27 < designanddraft> roadblock guessing...no pass if someone definitely opposed 21:28 < Malt> An intractable problem 21:29 < igel[m]> aah ok so this question is recursive even when in discussion about it :] 21:29 <@jokeefe> consensus decisionmaking allows 1 or more to have a blocking concern 21:30 <@jokeefe> once are concerns are resolved, the motion passes. assumes concerns are honest though 21:31 < igel[m]> ok 21:31 < igel[m]> (w/ me) 21:32 <@jokeefe> Topics: ooo so many. Mass. facial surveillance bill, Amazon’s deal with police to make warrantless review of their surveillance cameras, FCC as free speech police, … 21:34 < Malt> That Amazon police bill seems like easy leverage 21:34 < Malt> The agreements aren't producing much fruit for the cops 21:34 < Malt> Could be an easy push to get Boston to step back also 21:34 < Malt> Frame it as a cost concern 21:36 <@jokeefe> Cool. So 10am Sunday? 21:37 < designanddraft> new topics?...talked by phone with christine and joseph, i am volunteering for national presidential ticket on pirate party platform, decentralize banking and laws off my body, etc 21:37 < Malt> Ok w/me 21:37 < Malt> Neat! 21:37 < srevilak> nice! 21:38 < DesmondRavenstone> :) 21:38 <@jokeefe> Great. Will send notice to the activists list 21:38 <@jokeefe> Democracy and Dogfood (Tech) 21:38 <@jokeefe> Next meeting will be October 5th, 11am-1pm 21:39 <@jokeefe> I asked E5 if we can meet there. Cost is around $30. 21:39 < srevilak> Works for me 21:39 <@jokeefe> DesmondRavenstone - should we retire the Boston Sex Worker Petition? 21:40 < DesmondRavenstone> No, let's keep it up … Could prompt more inquiries later on, perhaps a surge if things develop. Remember every signature gets a notice sent to the police Commissioner. 21:41 <@jokeefe> ok 21:42 <@jokeefe> That is all there is on the agenda 21:42 <@jokeefe> If there isn’t anything else, shall we adjourn? 21:42 < DesmondRavenstone> Sounds like a plan 21:43 < srevilak> aye 21:43 <@jokeefe> aye 21:43 < srevilak> will post transcript 21:43 <@jokeefe> thank you.