January 17th, 2013 IRC Meeting

Agenda

1. Status of members/supporters mailing
2. Motion to sign on to support the TSA out of the MBTA action on Sat., Feb. 2nd
3. Motion to sign on to petitions to remove prosecutors Carmen Ortiz and Steve Heymann
4. Review of organization

Started work on a budget, but need 2012 financial review first.

Quick Notes / Summaries Re Proposed Bills to be Discussed:

1. Status of members/supporters mailing
2. Motion to sign on to support the TSA our of the MBTA action on Sat., Feb. 2nd
3. Motion to sign on to petitions to remove prosecutors Carmen Ortiz and Steve Heymann
4. Review of organization
   1. How can we be better organized?
   2. Need committees? Which ones if so?
   3. What do we want from website/social media

For the record, the events we agreed to do or have people willing to work on are:

1. Pirate Info Conference - some progress on possible sites
2. CryptoParties
3. CryptoCurrencies Conference (such as this one, have four people who are interested in working on it)
4. Together Boston music festival is week of May 18th (http://togetherboston.com/) - Was $50/table in 2012
5. Boston Pride Parade on Sat. June 8th (http://www.bostonpride.org/calendar/) - $175 for group/float by 2/28
6. Freedom Rally on Boston Common - 2 Days this year (Sat. Sept 21st - Noon to 8pm & Sept 22nd - Noon to 6pm) - $150 & $30 table, $10/chair

Other Events we could possibly attend as individuals or table at:

1. Pax East - Boston, March 22-24th
2. Bar Camp Boston - April 7/8
3. Wake up the Earth Festival - Jamaica Plain (Boston), Sat., May 4th
4. Security BSides - May?
5. AnimeBoston - Hynes Convention Center, May 24-26th.
6. Digital Media Conference & Grassroots Use of Technology Conference possibly

Participants

tentative

• srevilak - Steve Revilak, Arlington
• jokeefe - James O'Keefe, Somerville
• SplendidSpoon - Lauren Pespisa - Boxboro currently
• mildbeard - Erik Zoltan, Framingham
• black_van - sevan, south end

Observers:

• cmal
• davidd

Meeting Minutes

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[12:00] <@jokeefe> Agenda at http://masspirates.org/wiki/index.php?title=January_17th,_2013_IRC_Meeting [12:00] <@jokeefe> Start with ids (give as much as you want) - James O'Keefe, Somerville [12:00] <+feedbot> [Twitter] masspirates: IRC meeting starting now - https://t.co/y6oo9T0j channel #masspirates agenda at: http://t.co/4kR9I80w - http://twitter.com/masspirates/statuses/291953094781202432 [12:01] <+black_van> Sevan Boston, soon to be moving to NH manchester area [12:02] == mildbeard [webchat@hknv-28-026-620-99.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #masspirates [12:02] == mode/#masspirates [+o mildbeard] by [4Q] [12:02] == mode/#masspirates [+v mildbeard] by [4Q] [12:02] <@[bsod]> bsod, some guy from central mass [12:02] == mode/#masspirates [+l 19] by [4Q] [12:03] <@mildbeard> Erik Zoltan, Framingham [12:03] <@[bsod]> heh, ive been there before [12:03] <@mildbeard> condolences [12:03] <+black_van> it seemed nice erik [12:03] <@[bsod]> i know right [12:03] <+massh> Marc, Boston [12:04] <@srevilak> Steve Revilak, Arlington [12:04] == Havoc [webchat@vnm-84-376-72-191.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #masspirates [12:04] == mode/#masspirates [+v Havoc] by [4Q] [12:04] == mode/#masspirates [+l 20] by [4Q] [12:05] <@[bsod]> heh, are these meetings getting bigger or is this the first one [12:05] <+black_van> seem to be getting bigger, definitely a good thing [12:05] == kate_m [webchat@vhmo-317-9-121-071.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #masspirates [12:05] == mode/#masspirates [+v kate_m] by [4Q] [12:05] <@mildbeard> I think we're attracting people, and that's definitely a good thing. [12:05] == mode/#masspirates [+l 21] by [4Q] [12:06] <+kate_m> hi jokeefe [12:06] * srevilak waves back to davidd [12:06] <+Havoc> I am baconarama from twitter [12:07] == [bsod] changed the topic of #masspirates to: Agenda at http://masspirates.org/wiki/index.php?title=January_17th,_2013_IRC_Meeting [12:07] <+black_van> http://www.google.com/imgres?hl=en&safe=off&sa=X&tbo=d&biw=1152&bih=574&tbm=isch&tbnid=DB3sMZBrgPjxvM:&imgrefurl=http://www.usmuscle.com.au/Forum/showthread.php%3Ft%3D6183&docid=F_q91O4-nZnYiM&imgurl=http://www.usmuscle.com.au/Forum/attachment.php%253Fattachmentid%253D8464%2526d%253D1301047438&w=109&h=76&ei=zi_4UM_2NYy_0QGVm4G4Aw&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=490&vpy=162&dur=513&hovh=65&hovw=95&tx=83&ty=28&sig=115033271194025918967&page=1&tbn [12:08] <+black_van> BLT for lunch it is [12:08] <@[bsod]> so, helping al queida build a nuclear weapon holds a maximum sentence that is shorter than what swartz was facing [12:08] <+Havoc> -shakes head- [12:08] <+Havoc> so they say [12:08] == wingedearth [webchat@sv76-863-314-71.z319-313-88.customer.algx.net] has joined #masspirates [12:08] == mode/#masspirates [+o wingedearth] by [4Q] [12:08] == mode/#masspirates [+v wingedearth] by [4Q] [12:08] <@mildbeard> yeah, this whole thing is getting way out of hand [12:08] == mode/#masspirates [+l 22] by [4Q] [12:08] <@[bsod]> hey, the libertarian lawyer guys back [12:09] <+Havoc> Its not getting out of had it has been out of hand. [12:09] <@wingedearth> I don't know that I'm totally "libertarian", considering I work in public tv [12:10] <@[bsod]> traitor! [12:10] <@[bsod]> lol [12:10] <+davidd> i have never met a total libertarian [12:10] <+davidd> i have met people that claimed to be though [12:10] <@mildbeard> the problem is going to get much worse before it finally gets better [12:10] <+davidd> they always fail [12:10] <@[bsod]> in my country, the libertarians are just torries [12:11] <@[bsod]> my favorite example is "we don't like government interference so lets ban gay marriage and abortion" [12:12] <+black_van> can we start the agenda [12:12] <+Havoc> So yeah. genda [12:12] <@wingedearth> yeah, I don't get why more libertarians aren't pro-choice [12:12] <@wingedearth> at the same time, I think the issue gets confused [12:12] <@wingedearth> I don't support Roe v. Wade, but I'm pro-choice [12:12] <+kate_m> that's an odd position [12:12] <@wingedearth> I'm pro-choice but think it's a political issue that should be decided by the States individually [12:12] <+black_van> that is not an odd position [12:13] <@[bsod]> ah, i live in massachusetts so i think power needs to be taken away from the states [12:13] <@wingedearth> I don't think the Supreme Court can just order it one way or the other. [12:13] <@wingedearth> I also live in massachusetts [12:13] <+black_van> me 2 [12:13] <@[bsod]> see [12:13] <@[bsod]> our states crazzy [12:13] <@wingedearth> wait, we all do, right? [12:13] <@[bsod]> yes [12:13] <@[bsod]> cept davidd is an intruder [12:13] <@wingedearth> we may think other states are crazy. they may think we're crazy. that's why it's best for the states to decide for themselves [12:13] <@mildbeard> is jokeefe here to start us on our agenda? [12:14] <@[bsod]> he tried, then wandered off [12:14] <+Havoc> and me [12:14] <+Havoc> I am in Texas [12:14] <@wingedearth> it's a matter of respecting local customs and mores [12:14] <@[bsod]> ah, welcome texans [12:14] <@mildbeard> OK let me take a first stab. [12:14] <@mildbeard> Did everyone get our mailing? [12:14] <+Havoc> I think I am the only one lol [12:14] <@[bsod]> im so contrary to our local customs that i do not respect em, thats all im saying [12:15] <@wingedearth> Texas is doing better and better because of low taxes and a business friendly environment, plus lots of new tech [12:15] <@mildbeard> I want to call the meeting to order. [12:15] <@mildbeard> OK? [12:15] <@[bsod]> yes, start the meeting whenever [12:15] <@mildbeard> noew [12:15] <@mildbeard> now [12:15] <@mildbeard> So did anyone here not get the mailing we recently sent out, if you're in Mass? [12:15] <@wingedearth> bsod, typically I err on the side of free choice. but in an area where most people consider a fetus to be a human being, then there's the issue of interfering with such human's rights. [12:16] <+black_van> I did [12:16] <+massh> I got the mailing. filled out mailing back tomorrow [12:16] <@[bsod]> we can talk about it in the after meeting time [12:16] <@wingedearth> but again, personally I think the parents are more qualified than the government to make that choice [12:16] <@mildbeard> I heard from jokeefe that he had sent out the last ones. [12:16] <@[bsod]> im not on the mailing list i think [12:16] <@mildbeard> wingedearth, we want to focus on the agenda please? [12:16] <@wingedearth> sorry [12:17] <@mildbeard> np [12:17] <@mildbeard> hold on, let me look up an URL for anyone who didn't get the mailing. [12:17] <+kate_m> I didn't get a mailing, but I'm not sure where I stand with the MPP anyway [12:17] <@wingedearth> ditto [12:17] <@[bsod]> whats an mpp ? [12:17] <@wingedearth> mass pirate party [12:17] <+kate_m> mass pirate party [12:18] <+Havoc> lulz [12:18] <@[bsod]> ah, are you guys registered? [12:18] <+kate_m> nope [12:18] <@wingedearth> no [12:18] <@[bsod]> i think that's what triggers the mailing [12:18] <+Havoc> Do I need to say no? [12:18] <+kate_m> yes [12:18] <+kate_m> humor us [12:18] <@mildbeard> OK here's the link. [12:18] <@[bsod]> yes, no is not implied [12:18] <@mildbeard> https://www.dropbox.com/s/sm7j9qa4m817r3m/Ballot%20and%20Volunteer%20Form.pdf [12:18] <+Havoc> well I am in texas :P [12:19] <+kate_m> oh hey I'm in the picture! [12:19] <+black_van> thanks erik [12:19] <@mildbeard> If you didn't receive a mailing, you can access it from that URL if you want to participate. You can print and mail it, or respond via email to info@masspirates.org [12:19] <@[bsod]> heh, these questions are very partisian [12:20] <@mildbeard> It includes a letter, a volunteer form and a policy survey. We want to ask for volunteering help and we want to get member feedback on policy issues. [12:20] <+black_van> well you should have come to the meeting when we decided on them [12:20] <@jokeefe> sorry, called away, back now. [12:20] <@mildbeard> hi jokeefe, we're talking about the survey. [12:20] <@mildbeard> I'll turn it over to you. [12:20] <@[bsod]> i wasnt complaining [12:20] <@jokeefe> good [12:21] <@jokeefe> One thing we need on the survey is a web form for it. [12:21] <@mildbeard> [bsod], if you feel the questions are too slanted or that a valid pirate opinion isn't represented, we'd love to hear it as a comment. [12:21] <+kate_m> what's "no file left behind" supposed to mean in the education question? [12:21] <@[bsod]> Reform democracy to serve the many rather than the few. [12:21] <@[bsod]> heh, who would ever check that box! [12:21] <+Havoc> lol [12:22] <@mildbeard> kate_m, I think it's an attempt at humor. [12:22] <+Havoc> Yeah making fun of Bush Jr [12:22] <@jokeefe> kate_m, but that sharing is good in a school setting [12:22] <@[bsod]> i feel that people have taking their parties policies in as a religion, so if someone identifies with the democrats, then they will answer all boxes accordingly having made no independant thought of their own [12:23] <+Havoc> hmm [12:23] <+Havoc> good point [12:23] <@[bsod]> nah, im just... whats that word for bitter old guy [12:23] <+kate_m> that's true for a lot of people, but I think people already reaching out to a third party are going to be a little better than average [12:23] <@wingedearth> @bsod: sourpuss? [12:24] <@[bsod]> heh, close [12:24] == Kit [webchat@140.247.mht.ypn] has joined #masspirates [12:24] == mode/#masspirates [+v Kit] by [4Q] [12:24] <@[bsod]> cynical ? [12:24] <+massh> meshugenah [12:24] <@wingedearth> cynic [12:24] <@[bsod]> yea [12:24] == mode/#masspirates [+l 23] by [4Q] [12:24] <@mildbeard> Well, I think do it's a legitimate concern. [12:24] <+Kit> ahoy everybody [12:24] <@[bsod]> ahoy [12:24] <@wingedearth> sharing is caring [12:24] <+Havoc> so they say [12:25] <@[bsod]> arg [12:25] <@mildbeard> jokeefe, did we ever come up with a web form backend to use? [12:25] <+black_van> Hi Kit [12:26] <@jokeefe> ahoy, Kit [12:26] <@wingedearth> I favor raising the voting age to 21 [12:26] <+Havoc> :( [12:27] <@wingedearth> at the same time, people over 21 have their issues too [12:27] <+black_van> lol [12:27] <@jokeefe> mildbeard, no web form yet though there is opensource software we can use. thought we could use the amazon vm we have. ageis, might you be able to set one up? [12:27] <+Havoc> and you cannot underestimate every young person [12:27] <@[bsod]> what does expaning obamacare entail exactly? [12:27] <@jokeefe> BTW, welcome to all the new and returning folks! [12:27] <@wingedearth> you can underestimate most of them [12:27] <@wingedearth> hormones and such [12:28] <+Havoc> lmao [12:28] <+black_van> Is there a way to use webchat without constnatly scrolling down? [12:28] <@[bsod]> how about prohibiting people who are too old lol [12:28] * Havoc is only 20 [12:28] <@wingedearth> of course younger people aren't yet infected with bsod's cynicism [12:28] <+feedbot> [Twitter] masspirates: Carmen Ortiz and Stephen Heymann: accountability for prosecutorial abuse http://t.co/o2W9sHRD - http://twitter.com/masspirates/statuses/291959389630365696 [12:28] <+kate_m> restricting voting rights rubs me the wrong way [12:28] <@jokeefe> black_van, not that I know of [12:29] <@[bsod]> there are restrictions arent there? [12:29] <@mildbeard> kate_m, me too [12:29] <@[bsod]> was someone telling me that convicted felons cant vote? [12:29] <@wingedearth> young people are naive and inexperienced. old people are out of touch [12:29] <@[bsod]> but eventually your brain stops working [12:29] <+kate_m> yeah, and most of them rub me the wrong way [12:29] <@wingedearth> maybe voting should be restricted to 30-somethings [12:29] <@mildbeard> I can see we're going to get a lot of great survey comments here. [12:29] <+Havoc> O.O [12:30] <+kate_m> my husband can't vote in a federal election for more than a decade because of a copyright infringement conviction [12:30] <@[bsod]> or to people who are voting on issues other than 'i like his hair' [12:30] <@jokeefe> yes, we are mildbeard [12:30] <@[bsod]> kind of creates a self serving system [12:30] <+davidd> but the guy with the best hair lost [12:30] <@[bsod]> lies! [12:30] <+Havoc> lol [12:30] <@jokeefe> stay on target folks [12:30] <+kate_m> sorry [12:30] <+black_van> before the end of the meeting we need to discuss organization [12:31] <@mildbeard> Do we want to move on to agenda item 2? Motion to sign on to support the TSA out of the MBTA action on Sat., Feb. 2nd [12:31] <@[bsod]> or lack of? [12:31] <@wingedearth> if the country were a company, deciding on officers based on a vote by all employees would be disastrous [12:31] <+kate_m> Everyone who didn't gt a mailer is cool with emailing in responses? [12:31] <@jokeefe> yes, bsod, in MA convicted felons who are serving time cannot vote they changed it a few years back [12:32] <@[bsod]> so once their time is over they can vote again ? [12:32] <@jokeefe> or mail it in, kate_m if you want it to be secret [12:32] <+kate_m> in state and local elections, not federal [12:32] <@mildbeard> kate_m, we want to create a webform too but we're just getting that organized. [12:32] <@srevilak> I'm in favor of "TSA out of MBTA" [12:32] <@jokeefe> really, kate_m, thought it was all [12:32] <+black_van> I support getting/keeping tsa out [12:32] <@[bsod]> that should be changed shouldnt it? amoung a million other more important things [12:32] <@wingedearth> too much is decided by voting, and not enough by individual choice [12:33] <@jokeefe> so looking for a place to host survey software or someone to setup it up on vm, any takers? [12:33] <@[bsod]> i dont think anyone in the world is happy with the TSA [12:33] <+kate_m> TSA can suck my balls [12:33] <@[bsod]> possibly [12:33] <@[bsod]> whats the survey ? [12:33] <@jokeefe> the one mildbeard sent the pdf to [12:33] <@jokeefe> though with mods folks want [12:33] <@[bsod]> you guys seemed pretty computer savvy when you did the liquid feedback thing [12:34] <@jokeefe> might get more responses [12:34] <@wingedearth> airports should provide their own security without TSA [12:34] <@mildbeard> [bsod] but there's a difference between knowing how to do it and having the time/bandwidth. [12:34] <@[bsod]> heh [12:34] <+kate_m> Security theater is a fucking joke and the whole thing needs to get scrapped immediately [12:34] <@jokeefe> thanks, bsod, but trying to distribute the work [12:34] <+kate_m> So, there's an event on Feb 2? [12:35] <@jokeefe> yes [12:35] <@jokeefe> BTW: agenda at http://masspirates.org/wiki/index.php?title=January_17th,_2013_IRC_Meeting [12:35] <@[bsod]> heh, im getting a big vacation in febuary again [12:35] <+kate_m> It's not a great weekend for me, but I'll figure out a way to make time [12:35] <@jokeefe> TSA out of the MBTA is at https://www.facebook.com/events/510992278941389/?fref=ts [12:35] <@srevilak> kate_m: http://act-ma.org/pipermail/act-ma_act-ma.org/2013/006455.html [12:35] <+kate_m> anything that would make bringing kids a bad idea? [12:35] <@[bsod]> the drugs [12:35] <+Havoc> I think the TSA needs to stay home and drink tea :) [12:36] <@jokeefe> Arrests, but probably not [12:36] <@mildbeard> OK so I'd like to make a motion: that we sign on to support the TSA out of the MBTA action on Sat Feb 2. Voting for the motion indicates we should sign on and not that the individual is available on that date. [12:36] <@jokeefe> my eldest might come [12:36] <@[bsod]> oh, dont arrest kids, thats not cool [12:36] <@srevilak> second [12:36] <@jokeefe> So: Motion to sign on to support the TSA out of the MBTA action on Sat., Feb. 2nd, all in favor? [12:36] <@mildbeard> aye [12:36] <+kate_m> aye [12:36] <@jokeefe> aye [12:36] <@srevilak> aye [12:36] <+Kit> aye [12:36] <+Havoc> aye [12:36] <@[bsod]> is it too late to ask a question ? [12:36] <+black_van> aye [12:37] <@jokeefe> no [12:37] <@[bsod]> haha [12:37] <@jokeefe> not too late [12:37] <+Havoc> never too late [12:37] <@[bsod]> whos motion ? [12:37] <@jokeefe> mine I guess [12:37] <@[bsod]> but what are we signing ? [12:37] <@[bsod]> just a symbolic signing ? [12:37] <@jokeefe> more to say we support it and will urge our supporters to attend it [12:37] <@[bsod]> oh [12:37] <@[bsod]> aye [12:37] <@wingedearth> aye [12:38] == wanderer [webchat@10-973-440.netrun.cytanet.com.cy] has joined #masspirates [12:38] == mode/#masspirates [+v wanderer] by [4Q] [12:38] <@[bsod]> the wording made me think maybe it was an intiative from another group [12:38] <@jokeefe> hi wanderer [12:38] == mode/#masspirates [+l 24] by [4Q] [12:38] <+wanderer> hi  :) [12:38] <@[bsod]> hey groo [12:38] <+black_van> next item? [12:38] <@jokeefe> yes, bsod, it was initiated by another group of folks [12:38] <@[bsod]> he's the guy who killed sharereactor [12:38] <@jokeefe> some of whom are pirates [12:38] <+wanderer> lol [12:38] <@[bsod]> ah [12:38] <@mildbeard> I would say the motion carried unanimously... [12:39] <+wanderer> actually that was my wife [12:39] <@jokeefe> gotta do procedure: all opposed? [12:39] <@[bsod]> i dont really miss the site [12:39] <@[bsod]> can we all say nay now ? [12:39] <+wanderer> simonmoon was cool, i miss him [12:39] <@jokeefe> yes, horsey noises are now [12:39] <@[bsod]> yea, wonder if he's still alive [12:39] <+Havoc> nnnnnaaaaayayyyy [12:39] <@[bsod]> nah [12:39] <@[bsod]> i mean nay [12:40] <@jokeefe> didn't you just vote aye? [12:40] <@[bsod]> oh, i thought we were voting nay to being opposed [12:40] <@jokeefe> lol [12:40] <@[bsod]> heh [12:40] <+Havoc> Yeah ditto [12:40] <@[bsod]> so aye then again [12:40] <+kate_m> this is why we can't have nice things [12:40] <@[bsod]> ha [12:40] <+Havoc> I think nobidy said no [12:40] <@jokeefe> so motion passes [12:40] <@mildbeard> 8-0 [12:41] <@[bsod]> whoever is reading this log... good luck! [12:41] <+Havoc> lol [12:41] <@jokeefe> Motion to urge supporters/etc. to sign the petitions to remove prosecutors Carmen Ortiz and Steve Heymann [12:41] <+Havoc> aye [12:41] <@[bsod]> strong aye [12:41] <+massh> aye [12:41] <+kate_m> aye [12:41] <@srevilak> aye [12:41] <@mildbeard> Hold on... [12:41] <+Havoc> very strong [12:41] <@jokeefe> aye [12:41] <@mildbeard> we're not voting yet... [12:41] <@wingedearth> comments for/against? [12:41] <+kate_m> fuck those guys? [12:41] <@mildbeard> anyone want to provide some background or a link? [12:41] <@[bsod]> nope [12:42] <+Havoc> lol [12:42] <@jokeefe> links at the agenda [12:42] <@[bsod]> everyone wanted to vote cept you lol [12:42] <+Havoc> If you do not know idk what to say [12:42] <+kate_m> http://0v.org/carmen-ortiz-has-released-a-statement/ [12:42] <@[bsod]> and he happens to be from massachusetts too, which is ironic for us [12:42] <@[bsod]> http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/01/swartz-prosecutor-this-offices-conduct-was-appropriate/ [12:42] <@srevilak> link - https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/remove-united-states-district-attorney-carmen-ortiz-office-overreach-case-aaron-swartz/RQNrG1Ck [12:42] <+Havoc> Yeahh [12:42] <+kate_m> Do we really need to go over the alleged crime and why it's relevant to pirate interests? [12:43] <+Havoc> lol and the articles come [12:43] <@wingedearth> I'm assuming those are the prosecutors against Jason Schwartz? [12:43] <+kate_m> Aaron Swartz [12:43] <@jokeefe> yes [12:43] <@[bsod]> itions.whitehouse.gov/petition/remove-united-states-district-attorney-carmen-orti [12:43] <+Havoc> Did the patition get full in less than 48 hrs? [12:43] <@mildbeard> Ok so just by way of background, it's related to their overzealous prosecution in the Aaron Swartz case. [12:43] <+black_van> Aaron* [12:43] <@[bsod]> wait, whos aaron swartz [12:43] <@jokeefe> yes, but they need 100,000 now [12:43] <@wingedearth> I am aaron swartz [12:43] <@[bsod]> (just kidding) [12:43] <@wingedearth> I mean* [12:43] <@jokeefe> me too [12:43] <+massh> there is also a petition for MIT [12:43] <@wingedearth> typo crazy in here [12:43] <@jokeefe> got a link? [12:43] <+kate_m> I don't know if they absolutely need the 100,000 since the survey was created before the change [12:43] <@mildbeard> I'm going to second the motion. Second.