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jokeefe - Agenda: https://masspirates.org/wiki/March_10th,_2021_IRC_Meeting | |||
malt2 - sam capradae, worcester | |||
jokeefe - James O'Keefe, Somerville | |||
anything to change? | anything to change? | ||
malt2 - nyet | |||
jokeefe - Platform | |||
Both new items are up: | Both new items are up: | ||
https://masspirates.org/blog/ourissues/healthcare-is-a-human-right/ | https://masspirates.org/blog/ourissues/healthcare-is-a-human-right/ | ||
malt2 - Oh cool! | |||
jokeefe - https://masspirates.org/blog/ourissues/education-for-all/ | |||
malt2 - did you have a preference for which platform to pick next? | |||
jokeefe - also on the wiki with links to when we adopted them | |||
malt2 - Tech seems like an obvious one | |||
jokeefe - What specifically in tech? | |||
malt2 - we can start with surveillance | |||
worcester just passed funding for shotspotter connect | worcester just passed funding for shotspotter connect | ||
jokeefe - saw. money down the drain. | |||
want to write a statement on it? | want to write a statement on it? | ||
malt2 | malt2 | ||
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i think i do! | i think i do! | ||
i'm real sore | i'm real sore | ||
jokeefe - Dutch Pirates have a comic as part of their platform: https://twitter.com/Piratenpartij/status/1362758709726883842/photo/1 | |||
malt2 - honestly that's brilliant | |||
i definitely know artists if you wanted to commission something similar | i definitely know artists if you wanted to commission something similar | ||
jokeefe - some socialist party designed their platform like an ikea catalog. I think it was Unidas Podemos | |||
but I cannot find it | but I cannot find it | ||
malt2 - that's clever | |||
jokeefe - Write what you feel is appropriate on the shot spotter and we can post it. | |||
malt2 - we could do like an old seafaring scroll | |||
ok, on it | ok, on it | ||
jokeefe - https://qz.com/702800/spains-podemos-leftist-party-printed-its-program-as-an-ikea-catalog-so-voters-will-actually-read-it/ | |||
https://e00-elmundo.uecdn.es/documentos/2016/06/08/programa_electoral_podemos.pdf | https://e00-elmundo.uecdn.es/documentos/2016/06/08/programa_electoral_podemos.pdf | ||
malt2 - hahahaaaa that's real clever | |||
tiktok videos maybe | tiktok videos maybe | ||
or we could do memes | or we could do memes | ||
jokeefe - yeah, that too | |||
malt2 - like shitposty political memes | |||
jokeefe - https://masspirates.org/blog/2020/03/08/today-record-a-10th-anniv-video-for-the-dutch-pirates/ | |||
malt2 - i've followed some on twitter and i still refuse to believe dutch is a real language | |||
jokeefe - No google translate for Icelandic last I checked | |||
This got me thinking: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/10/style/creators-selling-selves.html | This got me thinking: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/10/style/creators-selling-selves.html | ||
malt2 - there is, i used it on some ancient exorcism poems | |||
oh that newnew thing? uuuuggghhhh | oh that newnew thing? uuuuggghhhh | ||
jokeefe - so there is | |||
(Icelandic translation) | (Icelandic translation) | ||
malt2 - god imagine being 15 with 3.3 million followers | |||
jokeefe - “... a start-up ... describes its product as creating a “human stock market.” On the app, fans pay to vote in polls to control some of a creator’s day-to-day decisions.” | |||
malt2 - how does that EVEN happen. what is a 15 year old doing???? | |||
jokeefe - "Destroy the attention economy so everyone's creativity can flourish!" | |||
malt2 - nfts are scaaaaams | |||
jokeefe - I liked this tweet: "Wow, I feel like an old fogey after reading this article. I can’t fathom having my daily actions dictated by votes from strangers. Why can’t we get any of the cool futuristic toys like jet packs and food replicators instead of this creepy Dark Mirroresque social monetization?" | |||
malt2 - it's all just so grimy | |||
and like, penny-chasing | and like, penny-chasing | ||
jokeefe - "Fuck the attention economy! Where's our jet packs!" | |||
While mediocre "artists" rip off others and get hundreds of thousands of dollars because they are popular. | While mediocre "artists" rip off others and get hundreds of thousands of dollars because they are popular. | ||
malt2 - oh it's a total shitshow economy | |||
the first mover advantage is the only thing that mattered in NFT circles | the first mover advantage is the only thing that mattered in NFT circles | ||
jokeefe - yeah | |||
malt2 - and they are ALREADY abusing the systems to cut out the artist revenue promise | |||
100% people trying to make another tulip mania they can be on the first wave of | 100% people trying to make another tulip mania they can be on the first wave of | ||
jokeefe - how are they cutting out the artists. outsource the art work and keep the cash? | |||
malt2 - well, plenty of the NFTs are straight up stolen | |||
even legit NFTs, the payment can be made off-platform then transferred for 0 eth | even legit NFTs, the payment can be made off-platform then transferred for 0 eth | ||
so no percentage goes to the artist | so no percentage goes to the artist | ||
there's multiple services that now auto-mint NFTs if you tag a twitter bot in the replies of a tweet | there's multiple services that now auto-mint NFTs if you tag a twitter bot in the replies of a tweet | ||
jokeefe - got any links? | |||
I need to read up | I need to read up | ||
malt2 - i had honestly thought about trying to get in on this but seeing how gross it is has convinced me that holding off was the right decision | |||
it's all on twitter, i'll retweet the stuff from the pirate party account | it's all on twitter, i'll retweet the stuff from the pirate party account | ||
jokeefe - thanks | |||
malt2 - so that was fun to deal with | |||
jokeefe - So you were thinking of updating: | |||
Defending Your Privacy | Defending Your Privacy | ||
Whether it was the PATRIOT ACT, illegal NSA wiretapping or local surveillance cameras, our government has used 9/11 to increase its surveillance and control over us. Corporations have increased their spying on employees in order to get more work out of them. The arguments for each step on the road to a surveillance
state may sound convincing, but that road leads to less control by people and more by government and corporate elites. Terrorists may attack the open society, but only governments can abolish it. The Pirate Party will prevent that from happening. | Whether it was the PATRIOT ACT, illegal NSA wiretapping or local surveillance cameras, our government has used 9/11 to increase its surveillance and control over us. Corporations have increased their spying on employees in order to get more work out of them. The arguments for each step on the road to a surveillance
state may sound convincing, but that road leads to less control by people and more by government and corporate elites. Terrorists may attack the open society, but only governments can abolish it. The Pirate Party will prevent that from happening. | ||
malt2 - wow, that actually sounds decent as is | |||
I'd even add in a line after "corporations" about the invasive tools schools use. | I'd even add in a line after "corporations" about the invasive tools schools use. | ||
jokeefe - There is more we can add to it. Calling out if corps. collect it, then govt. will get it. | |||
definitely | definitely | ||
malt2 - "schools surveil students in their homes through hardware enabled cameras they can't ever turn off" | |||
it ties into the big data industry also | it ties into the big data industry also | ||
the tools don't work because the point isn't the tools, it's the data they generate | the tools don't work because the point isn't the tools, it's the data they generate | ||
jokeefe - https://etherpad.pp-international.net/p/DefendingYourPrivacy | |||
malt2 - did you hear about that trans hacker collective taking down the surveillance company? | |||
jokeefe - Looking back, I like the platform as old seafaring scroll | |||
did not | did not | ||
link? | link? | ||
malt2 - https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2021/03/hackers-access-security-cameras-inside-cloudflare-jails-and-hospitals/ | |||
jokeefe - Yes, I heard about the video camera hack, but didn't get the details. Thanks | |||
malt2 - the person has been posting selfies to twitter | |||
but also like, photos from inside jails? i'm reeeeaaallly curious to see how the state reacts. | but also like, photos from inside jails? i'm reeeeaaallly curious to see how the state reacts. | ||
jokeefe - oh yeah. | |||
all the cameras are on the internet, so it follows they will be hacked. | all the cameras are on the internet, so it follows they will be hacked. | ||
malt2 - you'd think! they would know that! by now! | |||
but they sell convenience, not tech | but they sell convenience, not tech | ||
the tech to do secure cameras is out there | the tech to do secure cameras is out there | ||
jokeefe - lowest bidder | |||
malt2 - but it's not stylish or buzzworthy | |||
that's all they ever sell | that's all they ever sell | ||
jokeefe - aye | |||
Let's work on https://etherpad.pp-international.net/p/DefendingYourPrivacy and aim to finish it up next meeting. | Let's work on https://etherpad.pp-international.net/p/DefendingYourPrivacy and aim to finish it up next meeting. | ||
malt2 - OK! | |||
jokeefe - We are set for the organizing meeting on Saturday | |||
malt2 - I will do my best to get folks to that | |||
jokeefe - Email went out. Blog post is up. | |||
trying to spread the word. | trying to spread the word. | ||
thanks, malt2 | thanks, malt2 | ||
Sunday still good for recording? | Sunday still good for recording? | ||
malt2 - sure hope so! real tired of surprises | |||
OH FRICK RIGHT | OH FRICK RIGHT | ||
I'm in facebook jail for like 2 days still | I'm in facebook jail for like 2 days still | ||
jokeefe - sorry to hear that. | |||
malt2 - yeah i'm dumb as hell | |||
i got heated dissing on pastafarians | i got heated dissing on pastafarians | ||
anyho, that's all i got | anyho, that's all i got | ||
jokeefe - me too. See you Sat/Sun. Will post notes. | |||
Thanks and have a great night | Thanks and have a great night | ||
malt2 - you too! | |||
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Revision as of 22:05, 10 March 2021
Review
Decisions/Endorsements
Revise Platform
Leader: jokeefe
What to write next?
Projects
Outreach
Leader: Malt
- Community Organizing Discussion, Sat., 3/13/2021, 1-3pm
- Setup local video meetups by region with people who said they were interested in organizing a local chapter
- Organize candidate trainings
Video Newsletter/Podcast
Leader: Joseph
- Pirate news recording scheduled for Sundays, 7pm with go-live at 7:30pm. Unless changed
Boston Pride Festival
Leader: jokeefe
While in-person events, including outdoor events, are on hold until COVID-19 numbers go down, we should plan for our table at the Boston Pride Festival.
Tasks:
- setup signup sheet
- Announce
- Need to purchase insurance
- Need volunteer sign up form
- Tie to an activity, mapping the CCTV cameras in Boston or along the Pride parade route?
Other To Do
- Application to PPI
Upcoming On-line Events
- Sat., 3/13/2021, 1-3pm, Community Organizing Discussion, on-line
- Every Tuesday, 7-9pm, Mass MeshNet Tech Meeting, on-line
- Sat., 3/20/2021, 1-3pm, Tech Meetup, on-line
Participants
Observers
- ChanServ
- davidd
- hvxgr
- Deffy
- mikey
- Mikaela
- slerman
Summary
Minutes
jokeefe - Agenda: https://masspirates.org/wiki/March_10th,_2021_IRC_Meeting malt2 - sam capradae, worcester jokeefe - James O'Keefe, Somerville anything to change? malt2 - nyet jokeefe - Platform Both new items are up: https://masspirates.org/blog/ourissues/healthcare-is-a-human-right/ malt2 - Oh cool! jokeefe - https://masspirates.org/blog/ourissues/education-for-all/ malt2 - did you have a preference for which platform to pick next? jokeefe - also on the wiki with links to when we adopted them malt2 - Tech seems like an obvious one jokeefe - What specifically in tech? malt2 - we can start with surveillance worcester just passed funding for shotspotter connect jokeefe - saw. money down the drain. want to write a statement on it? malt2 -_- i think i do! i'm real sore jokeefe - Dutch Pirates have a comic as part of their platform: https://twitter.com/Piratenpartij/status/1362758709726883842/photo/1 malt2 - honestly that's brilliant i definitely know artists if you wanted to commission something similar jokeefe - some socialist party designed their platform like an ikea catalog. I think it was Unidas Podemos but I cannot find it malt2 - that's clever jokeefe - Write what you feel is appropriate on the shot spotter and we can post it. malt2 - we could do like an old seafaring scroll ok, on it jokeefe - https://qz.com/702800/spains-podemos-leftist-party-printed-its-program-as-an-ikea-catalog-so-voters-will-actually-read-it/ https://e00-elmundo.uecdn.es/documentos/2016/06/08/programa_electoral_podemos.pdf malt2 - hahahaaaa that's real clever tiktok videos maybe or we could do memes jokeefe - yeah, that too malt2 - like shitposty political memes jokeefe - https://masspirates.org/blog/2020/03/08/today-record-a-10th-anniv-video-for-the-dutch-pirates/ malt2 - i've followed some on twitter and i still refuse to believe dutch is a real language jokeefe - No google translate for Icelandic last I checked This got me thinking: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/10/style/creators-selling-selves.html malt2 - there is, i used it on some ancient exorcism poems oh that newnew thing? uuuuggghhhh jokeefe - so there is (Icelandic translation) malt2 - god imagine being 15 with 3.3 million followers jokeefe - “... a start-up ... describes its product as creating a “human stock market.” On the app, fans pay to vote in polls to control some of a creator’s day-to-day decisions.” malt2 - how does that EVEN happen. what is a 15 year old doing???? jokeefe - "Destroy the attention economy so everyone's creativity can flourish!" malt2 - nfts are scaaaaams jokeefe - I liked this tweet: "Wow, I feel like an old fogey after reading this article. I can’t fathom having my daily actions dictated by votes from strangers. Why can’t we get any of the cool futuristic toys like jet packs and food replicators instead of this creepy Dark Mirroresque social monetization?" malt2 - it's all just so grimy and like, penny-chasing jokeefe - "Fuck the attention economy! Where's our jet packs!" While mediocre "artists" rip off others and get hundreds of thousands of dollars because they are popular. malt2 - oh it's a total shitshow economy the first mover advantage is the only thing that mattered in NFT circles jokeefe - yeah malt2 - and they are ALREADY abusing the systems to cut out the artist revenue promise 100% people trying to make another tulip mania they can be on the first wave of jokeefe - how are they cutting out the artists. outsource the art work and keep the cash? malt2 - well, plenty of the NFTs are straight up stolen even legit NFTs, the payment can be made off-platform then transferred for 0 eth so no percentage goes to the artist there's multiple services that now auto-mint NFTs if you tag a twitter bot in the replies of a tweet jokeefe - got any links? I need to read up malt2 - i had honestly thought about trying to get in on this but seeing how gross it is has convinced me that holding off was the right decision it's all on twitter, i'll retweet the stuff from the pirate party account jokeefe - thanks malt2 - so that was fun to deal with jokeefe - So you were thinking of updating: Defending Your Privacy Whether it was the PATRIOT ACT, illegal NSA wiretapping or local surveillance cameras, our government has used 9/11 to increase its surveillance and control over us. Corporations have increased their spying on employees in order to get more work out of them. The arguments for each step on the road to a surveillance state may sound convincing, but that road leads to less control by people and more by government and corporate elites. Terrorists may attack the open society, but only governments can abolish it. The Pirate Party will prevent that from happening. malt2 - wow, that actually sounds decent as is I'd even add in a line after "corporations" about the invasive tools schools use. jokeefe - There is more we can add to it. Calling out if corps. collect it, then govt. will get it. definitely malt2 - "schools surveil students in their homes through hardware enabled cameras they can't ever turn off" it ties into the big data industry also the tools don't work because the point isn't the tools, it's the data they generate jokeefe - https://etherpad.pp-international.net/p/DefendingYourPrivacy malt2 - did you hear about that trans hacker collective taking down the surveillance company? jokeefe - Looking back, I like the platform as old seafaring scroll did not link? malt2 - https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2021/03/hackers-access-security-cameras-inside-cloudflare-jails-and-hospitals/ jokeefe - Yes, I heard about the video camera hack, but didn't get the details. Thanks malt2 - the person has been posting selfies to twitter but also like, photos from inside jails? i'm reeeeaaallly curious to see how the state reacts. jokeefe - oh yeah. all the cameras are on the internet, so it follows they will be hacked. malt2 - you'd think! they would know that! by now! but they sell convenience, not tech the tech to do secure cameras is out there jokeefe - lowest bidder malt2 - but it's not stylish or buzzworthy that's all they ever sell jokeefe - aye Let's work on https://etherpad.pp-international.net/p/DefendingYourPrivacy and aim to finish it up next meeting. malt2 - OK! jokeefe - We are set for the organizing meeting on Saturday malt2 - I will do my best to get folks to that jokeefe - Email went out. Blog post is up. trying to spread the word. thanks, malt2 Sunday still good for recording? malt2 - sure hope so! real tired of surprises OH FRICK RIGHT I'm in facebook jail for like 2 days still jokeefe - sorry to hear that. malt2 - yeah i'm dumb as hell i got heated dissing on pastafarians anyho, that's all i got jokeefe - me too. See you Sat/Sun. Will post notes. Thanks and have a great night malt2 - you too!
